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Articles: The truth about me |
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daria_4 on Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 10:57 PM PST
One would think that as a military member--particularly the female variety--I would be more useful not pregnant than the other way around. In this spirit, to ask for sterilization would not seem like an unreasonable request. Apparently, I am not only wrong, but I am way the hell off base. I haven’t even made it to the field. “Not until you’re 35 and have at least three kids.” Three kids!?! Are you fucking kidding me? “And if you don’t have any, no doctor will do it until you’re so close to menopause that it won’t be worth it.”
When I say that I don’t want kids (even when I phrase it the “nice way” and specify that I don’t want any of my own), the responses I get are akin to someone just cocking his head to the side and saying, “But you’re a girl, right?” Yes, you fucktard, I’m a girl. I’m a girl who happens to know that she doesn’t want, and hence, shouldn’t have kids. Is that really so hard to believe?
No, I don’t want the joy of a “little me” running around, my kid won’t cure cancer, my mother doesn’t deserve grandkids, I won’t marry someone who wants kids, and it won’t be different with my own… “My own” will not shit, piss, cry, sleep, smile, eat, crawl, or do any of those things that babies generally do any more or less than the average baby. Yes, I know what the average baby does. I lived through it with my siblings, who are significantly younger than me. I like to call them my inspiration at times.
On the days I can muster up the courage, I try to tell people: I feel nothing inside when I see babies or children. Nothing. Remember the Nothing from the Neverending Story? That’s the sort of all-consuming huge black Nothing I feel inside when wee ones are present. Ah yes, you used to be just like me and now you wouldn’t trade your kids for the world. Well gee, maybe you’re right. I’m only a stupid twenty-something who can’t possibly know my own mind—especially about something so natural and feminine as mothering. How could I have forgotten my place?
No one questions those who want kids, whether they want one or fifteen. People feel sorry for those who can’t have kids. I see people around me congratulating pregnant teens, while I have doctors, family, friends, and even strangers questioning my choice not to reproduce. I could go on about my reasons for days, and most sensible people, childed and otherwise, understand and agree with them. I admit, I don’t know what it will feel like to be thirty and without the resources to have kids, but goddamnit, if I am mistaken about this, I will take responsibility for my actions and adopt instead!
I don’t think I’m mistaken, though. I can’t share this with everyone who sees fit to tell me I don’t know better, but I can share it now, as it is something that has been waiting to come out for some time now. I have been pregnant. There was neither joy nor wonder at the being growing inside of me. The notion that I wasn’t ready for a baby barely crossed my mind. I just knew that I loathed what was inside me. I hated it more than I hated anything or anyone in my life. I knew my life would be over—not that my life as I knew it would be over; no more late movies or my dreams of college being quashed. No, it would be over in a different way. I would never be happy again. I knew I would resent that kid for the rest of my natural life, even if I could fool myself into thinking I was happy on some days.
These weren’t just the fear-driven overreactions of a teen. These were the deepest gut feelings of a sane, relatively intelligent person. That I could hate something so completely… well, that should tell anyone why I ought not have kids. I’m sure you understand that I can’t tell just anyone what I just told you. It’s not the kind of thing one says to people in today’s overly PC world. Hell, it’s not the kind of thing one tells people in a less than PC place either, but it's the truth. The "right man" won't change it. Holding ten thousand babies won't change it. That's my truth.
I’m still looking for a doctor who isn’t stupefied by my request. It would be nice if, in the process, I also find one who won’t treat me like a freak or an idiot.
Author’s note: I spent quite a bit of time trying to write in how I don’t hate all kids, just the idea of my own; but everything I wrote sounded like an apology for the previous lines. I thought an endnote would be more appropriate to get that message across without changing the tone of the article.
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Re: The truth about me
by Psychopixi (psyche.at.psychopixi.dot.com)
on Sep 18, 2003 - 12:05 AM
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I think it's very responsible of you to seek out a doctor who will sterilise you. I'm not going to discuss whether or not it's the right idea, but as things are I think you're doing a much better thing than most. So many people bring children into the world when they don't want them, and aren't fit to be parents. They want the selfish things - the ego boost in having a mini version of them running around. That's hardly fair on the child. So - good for you, and the best of luck to you in finding a doctor.
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Re: The truth about me
by Domkitten (saradevil@saradevil.com)
on Sep 18, 2003 - 05:04 AM
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I'm not sure, but perhaps you should see if you can find a female doctor that can help you. For some reason the comments you posted struck me as being fairly masculine, in which case finding a woman docotor might make things a bit easier.
In my experience anyway, women have a greater ability to understand the desire not to have children.
I work with kids, I love being around kids, and I have absolutely no intention of ever spawning any little munchkins. Fact of the matter is at the end of the day, I want to put the kids away and have my own time, so there you go.
I think it is admirable that you have chosen to share you choice, and I hope you can find someone to help you out.
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Re: The truth about me
by tallidaho (jadetater@yahoo.com)
on Sep 18, 2003 - 08:11 AM
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All I can say is I agree. I've known from a very young age that I don't want kids of my own. I just don't. IF, and that is a huge if, I ever have the urge to have a little monster running around that I am responsible for, I am going to become a foster parent or adopt. There are too many unloved children out there for me to be creating even more. Why does it seem that everyone complains about overpopulation and starving children, but suggest that perhaps they take in an unloved child instead of having a biological 9th, and they look at you like you've gone insane. Finding a doctor willing to sterilize me at 18, though, will not be happening anytime soon. So I suppose it's just a matter of waiting it out.
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Re: The truth about me
by Merry_Widow on Sep 18, 2003 - 10:18 AM
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Strange...most doctors I have heard form on sterilization would only want the woman to wait until she is 25 or has three kids. Time for you to get a second opinion. Find a new doctor, and begin the never ending dialouge. You aren't going to be able to find one that is just going to say "Okay, lets scrub up!" right away, but if you are frank about your thoughts and needs, and they are sure this isn't something you have bum rushed yourself into, they should do the procedure.
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Re: The truth about me
by bettie_x (strangersangel@hotmail.com)
on Sep 18, 2003 - 10:59 AM
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The general "age of consent" for sterilization of either gender is usually 25 (or has three kids), because they figure that by then you've got a better grip or view of what you want out of life. I'm not having kids YET...I intend to have one (when I have got a hold of my life and can afford a child). I'm only 23 and I hear from people CONSTANTLY "When are you gonna have a baby? Why don't you have a baby yet? You NEED a baby!" and look confused when I say I don't have the time or money right now to be a good mother! "What do you mean?" I get so angry when I hear this, like there is no more to children than squeezing one out. I don't have the time. I have a job with inflexible hours that doesn't compliment my husband's work schedule, and tho daycare works for some, *I* am not going to have my child raised by strangers. I am also in debt, and I'm not going to compound the money situation by having to support a child. Also, I drink I smoke I like to sleep in, I like to do things at my own pace, I'm going to be going back to school. I am not ready to give that up. When I explain this to people they STILL give me the "what's wrong with you " look, so I totally know where you're coming from. And all I'm doing is telling people that I"m not ready.
BREED! GO FORTH AND BREED YOU MINDLESS MINIONS!
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Re: The truth about me by LadyCygnet (whydoyouneedit@inane.com) on Nov 01, 2003 - 12:37 AM (User info | Send a Message) | Kind of ironic that we have to get certification to operate machinery, perform CPR, or teach, among other things...but any person of questionable intelligence can go out and procreate with impunity... |
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Re: The truth about me
by Shade (Shade@Gothcult.com)
on Sep 18, 2003 - 11:27 AM
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Nicely put Daria, I think I was 24 when i went in and got my tubes zapped, and even though I'm male the doctor had a one month waiting period between first contact and the first time period when he would do the operation. Callei and I went in and spoke to him carefully and clearly about the fact that we didn't want kids now or ever. We were careful not to mention the key phrases like "If we change our minds we can adopt" because we knew that that was the kind of key language that they look for as it 'could' mean that we were unsure. We admitted that we knew about the option of adoption only when asked (Yeah right, not happening). I know it is more difficult for a female to get the procedure done, partially because of medical expenses and partially because, at least here is the US, the assumption is still that women should pop out a few for the team.
My big bit of advice would actually be to find and call a few doctors in Seattle, I hate the town personally, but they seem to have the most blase approach to sterilization that I have ever run across. My operation was 400 dollars and I was on a first class flight to California about three hours afterward, the doctor didn't seem that worried as long as Callei and I were sure about our decision.
Good luck with your search, I hope it gets easier.
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Re: The truth about me
by Squire-of-Gothos (Brian0049@hotmail.com)
on Sep 18, 2003 - 12:30 PM
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That is a pretty unusual doctor response. But then again, I really don't trust doctors. I just spent the last month of my life trying to find out if I had syphilis. Twice they lose my blood cultures, ten they say I'm positive, then they say "oops, our bad, we didn't read it right, your negative" (It should be noted that when the actual lab document was shown to me, in plain english it says SYP (syphilis) - Negative. Wrong indeed) Definately speak to another doctor. I think once you hit mid to late 20's, you've experienced enough of life's shit to know if you want a baby or not. Hell, nowaday, you freeze some eggs, and they could give you a hysterechtomy and you could still have a child, invitro and all that jazz.
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Re: The truth about me
by Schizo (Aranea@spidersdance.com)
on Sep 18, 2003 - 02:49 PM
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Even though I have a child of my own, I certainly don't judge you for not wanting any. If anything, I see from the inside why someone would not want children. I love my daughter with all my heart, and I am glad I have her, but it does not negate the fact that children are extremely disruptive, expensive, exhausting, and time-consuming. It's a huge investment.
And kudos to you for not leaving it to chance. I know at this point that another child would be disastrous for me financially and physically. However, if things loosen up for us, I think I would like another. So sterilization is not for me, obviously. But today I made extra-special sure that I'm not going to have any more unexpected bundles of joy for a while. My arm is now nice and sore from a good jab from my favorite doctor. A little Depo Provera goes a long way!
Good luck finding someone who can help you.
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by Comedian (eccentrically_long@yahoo.com)
on Sep 18, 2003 - 03:35 PM
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Sorry MetalHurlant, beating you to the quote(I hope):
"He had been born close to the earth, close to the earth had he lived, and the law thereof was not new to him. It was the law of all flesh. Nature was not kindly to the flesh. She had no concern for that concrete thing called the individual. Her interest lay in the species, the race. This was the deepest abstraction old Koskoosh's barbaric mind was capable of, but he grasped it firmly. He saw it exemplified in all life. The rise of the sap, the bursting greenness of the willow bud, the fall of the yellow leaf -- in this alone was told the whole history. But one task did Nature set the individual. Did he not perform it, he died. Did he perform it, it was all the same, he died. Nature did not care; there were plenty who were obedient, and it was only the obedience in this matter, not the obedient, which lived and lived always." -Jack London
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Re: Breeding by Domkitten (saradevil@saradevil.com) on Sep 18, 2003 - 08:50 PM (User info | Send a Message) http://www.saradevil.com | It is a narrow view to take of life to maintain the belief that the only way in which to gain immortality is through progeny. That by perpetuating the species because it is the natural way, and therefore the proper way is simply moronic.
A person need not have children to make a lasting impression upon the world, and history. Fact of the matter is most people with children do not attain any kind of lasting immortality anyway.
Look at the greats, those who live on even today, names that we know from birth to death, names that the children of the world will always learn, Dr. Seuss, DaVinici, Michelangelo, Socrates, Einstein, George Washington, Beethoven, Ella Fitzgerald, De Sade, and more.
The quest for immortality takes more than spawning and spreading genes. If that were all that were required then we would be nothing more than an additional insect upon the land. Look at the roach, very few insects can claim to have superior breeding capabilities, and at the same time, very few of them are really memorable, just long lasting.
Just because you can breed does not mean you must, and it does not mean that you will die, and return to dust and leave nothing behind. I would rather leave a larger mark on the world than just another human being running around with my hair color, thank you.
The notion that everyone must breed is outdated, the world is overpopulated as is, and if more people made a conscious decision not to have children we could perhaps see a brighter future. Support Zero population growth, a fair more admirable aim that having six munchinkins to carry on your legacy.
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Re: Breeding by Comedian (eccentrically_long@yahoo.com) on Sep 18, 2003 - 09:19 PM (User info | Send a Message) http://http:// | Wow. "I met a traveller from an antique land Who said: Two vast and trunkless legs of stone Stand in the desert...Near them, on the sand, half sunk, a shatttered visage lies, whose frown, And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command, Tell that its sculptor wellthose passions read Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things, The hand that mocked them, and the heart that fed: And on the pedestal these words appear: "My name is Ozymandias, king of kings: Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!" Nothing beside remains. Round the decay Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare The lone and level sands stretch far away." -Percy Bysshe Shelley
Ask any teenager who Ella Fitzgerald is. of course, she stole most of her routine from Big Momma Thornton; carjacking musical style hardly makes for proper or believable talent. Every hundred years or so we manifest a Caesar; a whirlwind in a world of clouds.
Aside from missing my point in the earlier quote completely, which was that you have the option whether or not to breed, and that the human race will be no less lost without your erroneous genetic contributions, you put forth an idea that is completely surprising to me to hear in this age of Enlightenment and watermelon bashing. Zero Population Growth.
Now, I remember reading somewhere that if you put everyone in the world in an area with the population density of Manhattan, you could fit them all into a country the size of ex-Yugoslavia. That's a whole wide world you can still use.
And yes, while I agree that not everyone should breed, I believe that's what homosexuality and STDs are for. Part of this topic was already conquered in callei's mundane post about how relationships take work. It's not wholly about having six progeny(and I believe you vegetarian women must have more, if you want to override the high incidence rate of low birth weight and fetal retardation coupled with vegetarian diets during pregnancy); it's about the proper propigation of the species from qualified and genetically exemplary specimens. Robotics has already caught up with the obsolete members of our species, our high unemployment rate supported on a raft of invalid people who define themselves by a profession that is, indeed, able to be performed by a monkey.
That is beside the point. What is the point, even? Eco-consciousness got you down? How outdated is an idea that even nature tries so hard to genetically ingrain upon the vast tracts of animal instinct? You won't leave behind anything anyway. Eventually even your progeny will die.
Indeed, that is the point of the earlier quote. It is not the obedient that live on: it is the obedience itself. Choose whatever you want. But don't tell anyone they are wrong for obedience. |
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Re: Breeding by daria_4 (-) on Sep 20, 2003 - 06:44 PM (User info | Send a Message) | It really doesn't matter how small a size you could fit all the people of the world into; they will still use more resources than the world has to offer or can replenish at a fast enough rate. |
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Re: Breeding by daria_4 (-) on Sep 20, 2003 - 10:38 PM (User info | Send a Message) | It would be pretty easy to exchange all sorts of statistics--particularly the unreferenced kind--that would support both of the statements we've made. I prefer to avoid that type of exchange. I'm sure you've heard the saying about statistics... 80% of them are made up.
While I am not personally a supporter of Zero Population Growth (simply because I haven't bothered to make myself familiar with its doctrine and decide if I would support them or not), I don't see the harm at all in having less people around. My article was about the very real and raw reason that I don't want kids. There are other reasons, such as overpopulation, that are the heart of others' decisions not to have children. Hey, they must care more about the human race as a whole than I do. I say, good on 'em. |
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Re: Breeding by bettie_x (strangersangel@hotmail.com) on Sep 21, 2003 - 12:27 AM (User info | Send a Message) http://bettie_x.tripod.com/ | Message me with where you got the information that vegetarian diets during gestation result in higher birth rates of unhealthy/handicapped babies.
If you (or they) are going by stats, I went over this over and over and over in the Gay High discussion....smaller groups yield higher statistics by proxy.
And also take into account that MOST vegetarians simply cut out the animal products and don't suppliment with a healthy diet (ie: they live off carbs and junk food), and it's rare to find even a non vegetarian woman who eats healthy during her pregnancy anymore.
I promise I wont' even get mad at you, because I've heard it all. You get sick a lot because you don't eat enough protein, right? No, I don't get sick often at all, less than I ever did. You don't heal quickly because you don't eat meat, don't you? No, I heal as quickly as I ever have. So if you have the goods to back up this statement, then lemme have it, and I'll let YOU have my info that I"ve dug up on vegan/veggie pregnancies.
I am aware that during gestation a human fetus requires a fatty diet that helps build brain tissue and neurological tissues and allow them to function properly....From the resources that I've read these certain types of fats and such are readily obtainable from a numerous non-animal variety of sources as well as in suppliment form. Just as there are people who are born with a genetic dependency on a certain type of protein found most readily in animal tissue, there are people such as I that are not. Most of our traits (health and otherwise) are inherited from our parents, and so just as there is a risk that ANY child will be born with a handicapp, it goes down to blind luck and genetics, nothing more.
I am interested in the info you may have. Send it, so that when I breed and unleash my vegan beasties unto this world, as few of them as possible will need special care during their takeover. |
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Re: The truth about me
by daria_4 (-)
on Sep 20, 2003 - 06:39 PM
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I've talked to more than one doctor already... the one I wrote about was the worst. Overall, the best experiene I had was with a female nurse who had no problem with the idea, and would have given me an IUD without a fight, but she hadn't had the training to do so. I did finally get an IUD after a big fight and proving that I had done my research. I'm pretty well covered now until 2010, but because an IUD is reversible, I still have to put up with people in my life being convinced that I'll change my mind and also having no problem telling me just that. The other thing is that it creates a weirdness in my dating life--if I could just come out at the beginning as definitely not having the hardware for kids, I wouldn't have to deal with guys who lie about not wanting them, or guys who secretly hope I'll one day change my mind. It's not the biggest deal ever, but it's frustrating nonetheless.
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Re: The truth about me
by Starlight (elenmea@hotmail.com)
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I have made some life choices that I think were the right ones for me and those involved. At least the choices I've made of my own accord and without the influence of anyone other than myself. (This means the choices I've made beginning basically in the spring of 1998 or thereabouts.)
I have to say that I undersand what you have said, daria_4 and I commend your courage in sharing your views with those who come here.
Some of my life choices would be viewed as "somewhat understandable to very okay" if I were a man in today's PC sort of world. However, since I am a woman, I find my opinions and life choices have been questioned extensively by some of the people whom I've shared them with.
The bottom line is this: Each person must choose what is right for them, whether it be mainstream choices or stepping out in their own direction. If people never question the "rules" or decide to do something outside the "norm" then it might be a much more boring world to live in.
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