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Lemmings on Parade: The United Nazi States of America |
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feralucce on Wednesday, July 24, 2002 - 09:44 AM PST
I work early in the morning, and get a chance to read the paper every morning. I am not sure why I do it... I guess it is a sense of morbidity that I cannot account for. I also have several news services that I read because our country has some of the best "keep this shit quiet" programs in the world.
This was in my e-mail the other morning. Here
I will admit, I appreciate the freedoms that this country has to offer. There is a limit though. We are walking a path that can not have any positive consequences. The initiatve that george duh-bya bush is enacting has been seen before. Wanna know where? Nazi Germany... Soviet Russia... Communist China. Throughout the last several decades, the philosophies of these countries seem to be diametrically opposed to that of the United States.
Sooo.... here we stand. 11 days after this initiative was passed and the American people are unaware and un-concerned. Does anyone else feel like we're being cheated?
Well... I need to get back to work... but I have one question... What are we doing in this hand basket?
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Note: Time to hide the pentagrams kiddies. |
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Re: The United Nazi States of America
by Meranda_Jade (Meranda@mymind.com)
on Jul 24, 2002 - 11:41 AM
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Oh boy. It just gets worse and worse, doesn't it? Everybody smile and wave your flags, and act as "normal" as possible, or you'll be tagged as subversive, and a possible terrorist. They're watching YOU.
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The REAL Phantom Menace.
by Anonymous-Coward on Jul 24, 2002 - 12:33 PM
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Yes, there will be a secret police force (patterned after Stasi or das Gestapo) filing reports on you. In the old days, you could petition to see anything the government had filed away on you, but on 11. November 2001, George the Younger signed away our Freedom of Information Act by executive order. Nobody seemed to care. They were busy chasing phantom terrorists.
We are now putting U.S. citizens away in undisclosed penitentiary locations indefinitely (two, at least) and announcing that we have no interest in ever trying or sentencing them in a court of law. Nobody seemed to care. They were chasing imaginary dirty nuclear bombs planted by phantom terrorists.
When George the Younger was the governor of Texas and killing more "criminals" than any other state in the Union, some Wiccans in the United States Army stationed at Fort Bragg were denied the right to practice their religion because, as George the Younger said "That is not a real religion". Nobody seemed to care. They were too busy defending the "true" faith from the phantom heretics by screaming to have the Ten Commandments put into Texas Schools.
What has changed? We no longer have a right to privacy, right to a trial, nor freedom to practice the religion of our choosing. The law of the land no longer requires probable cause to suspect that you may be up to something before they seize your person and property. They can take your money and land merely by suspecting that it is funding "terrorism". They no longer even need to worry about the burden of proof. Why? Because those phantoms have distracted us while laws were being passed and precedents being set.
Who has been so busy all this time the rest of us were chasing phantoms? Two men leap to mind. These two men were on Gerald Ford's cabinet back in 1974 and went all the way to the Supreme Court to try to have the Freedom of Information Act repealed. They were denied by the Supreme Court twenty-eight years ago, but these must have been visionary men indeed to have coincidently foreseen the current crisis nearly thirty years before it happened and recognised that the last thing this country needs is for its leaders to be accountable for their actions. These two men, Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld, owe a huge debt of gratitude to the phantoms that have so coincidently appeared recently to hand them what they have been brooding over for at least twenty-eight years.
Even if the public can't see through the ectoplasm of the moment, Posterity will. I am, I was, I will be
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~Monolycus
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Re: The REAL Phantom Menace. by Monolycus on Jul 24, 2002 - 12:53 PM (User info | Send a Message) | There goes Anonymous Coward trying to steal my stuff again. Honest, I was logged on when I wrote that! I am, I was, I will be,
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Re: The United Nazi States of America
by Devin (devin-at-vibechild-dot-com)
on Jul 24, 2002 - 06:34 PM
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Instead of cowering in fear, I have a simple suggestion.
Volunteer.
If they need that many people, they can't be that picky. I'm sure most of us could pass a security check if it's something that one in 24 people is expected to pass. Then just start filing reports on all of the scary 'spies'
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Re: Re: The United Nazi States of America by feralucce on Jul 25, 2002 - 06:49 AM (User info | Send a Message) http://feralucce.vibechild.com | been looking into that... and frankly... it's not an option... DUhbya has set forth soem pretty strict standards for what is accepted including a MASSIVE background check... We're talking the kind of background check that you get when you go for top secret or crypto clearance... AND according to the paperwork on the initiative, if you are rejected... you are on the LIST...
Feral
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Re: Re: The United Nazi States of America by Ironboots on Jul 25, 2002 - 12:24 PM (User info | Send a Message) http://ranger.vr9.com/Flash.html | Also, they're mostly selecting people from the service industry, and others that have lots of interactions with people's private lives (gardeners, water-meter checkers, mailmen, etc). So unless you're from that division, most likely they won't need you.
PS: Watch our for Dolo... he's a postal worker... ;)
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Non omne licitum honestum by Anonymous-Coward on Jul 25, 2002 - 12:28 PM | It is with a little less than my customary level of hubris that I must disagree with our Deity. To begin with, the majority of these snitches will be sought and recruited; It is not simply a matter of submitting an application. Beyond that, submitting false reports will have one of two consequences; viz. you will be caught and labelled a traitor, or you will not be caught and have innocent persons labelled traitors. These seem to me to be unacceptable consequences for something that is supposed to be taking the easy way out. Further, by "playing the game", you submit your tacit approval which prolongs the hateful situation.
During the McCarthyism of the 1950's, would it have been easier to save your life from being crippled by the Blacklist by jumping on board and finding "Communists" under the bed with everyone else? Yes, it would be easier and cozier unless you were the the guy standing around minding his own business who suddenly finds himself accused of political free-thinking and can no longer put food on his plate. Posterity will sort out which side of the fence a person was standing on. As long as nobody stands up and calls for the situation to stop, it grinds on to its inevitable conclusion crushing the innocents under it. I am not "cowering in fear" before the Juggernaught, but I refuse to save my own hide if it must be done by sacrificing the hides of others.
The situation is preposterous and it is wrong. Even if the rest of the world were all goose-stepping to the same beat, I would not participate in a program that is so blatantly evil. I could lose my life and liberty, I will almost certainly lose my comfort, but I will leave this world with my virtue intact. I am, I was, I will be
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Re: Non omne licitum honestum by Monolycus on Jul 25, 2002 - 12:32 PM (User info | Send a Message) | Me again. And I was logged in. Damn it.
~Monolycus |
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Re: Non omne licitum honestum by Monolycus on Jul 27, 2002 - 05:31 PM (User info | Send a Message) | Hmm. Kind of went all Patrick Henry there for a minute. |
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Re: The United Nazi States of America
by hecklnjecklnhyde on Jul 24, 2002 - 07:43 PM
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I unfortunately live in Western NC (Bible-hell). Not 5 miles from my house is Rev. Billy Graham and his neighbor Kirk Lyons. For anyone who is not familiar with good ol' Kirk, he is a top attorney for the KKK. Cute couple, I'm sure. No Nazis here, no way! Sadly, this "spy" news is not surprising to me. This place (America) gets creepier by the second, but I'll be damned if I EVER hide my pentagram from anyone. I will fight for my beliefs just as visciously and underhandedly as "they" always have. (Satanist here...sorry about the rant).
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Re: The United Nazi States of America
by bettie_x (strangersangel@hotmail.com)
on Jul 25, 2002 - 12:15 AM
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Well, it says that fear and hatred go hand in hand...and good old junior leading the lynching party it seems.
I like devin's ideas...vollunteer! Keep your friends close and your enemies closer they say....I don't know how much closer you could get than to join the operation you are so opposed to in order to keep some sanity or "insanity" to it...or discover true motives and blow the top off.
There was actually a guy in my mall that operated a "get your name/message" on a grain of rice kiosk.
Dissappeard one day with a couple of suits. Never seen again. Talked to security, he was DEPORTED for illegally being in the country and "suspicious" activites. Of course you never know, but he was one hell of a nice guy even if he was hard to understand..but hey, I don't speak TWO languages so I dont' complain at all. Gave all the girls at my work flowers on mother's day...said that if we weren't already mothers we would be someday and that deserved flowers while he could give them.
The mall security had to do a LOT of digging to find out what even HAPPEND to him...they just carted him and his partner off with no explanations.
I read too many dean koontz and art bell to even WANT to start thinking of shadow governments...there are a LOT of laws out there that are down right frightening and VERY undemocratic. That even if the property of ignorant citizens is being USED by drug dealers, they can seize the property and all the assets of the person...even if they weren't involved or had no idea it was going on. SOmething as simple as drugs stashed at random on the property.
It's downright frightening...
Let them spy on me. All they'll find is a girl with too big a mouth for her own good and who has the predilection to speak to her pets for unhealthy length of time...maybe I'll get to vacation in a nice anonymous secrete gov mental institute....one problem.
I look dreadful in white.
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Re: The United Nazi States of America
by BlueLinn (jishin101@yahoo.com)
on Jul 26, 2002 - 08:46 PM
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Yes, and just like Nazi Germany, Soviet Russia and Communist China, Our economy will (well, it sort of is,,, ) going to shit, our freedoms purged and soon our country will fall. We are americans, we have gotten too used to our freedom that we have achieved for ourselves. And now, after winning a little bit of freedom, it is getting taken back... WTF?
I'm reminded of a song,,,(The meaning of the song is totally unrelated but if you interpret it differently it works..) Six inches forward five inches back. Angry Inch......
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Re: Re: The United Nazi States of America by DarkMistress on Jul 26, 2002 - 08:59 PM (User info | Send a Message) | Our economy has been going to shit for a long time, Bush should be shot. And I refuse to hide MY pentagram. My father is a trucker, hm.. He's on Bushe's side, not ours. |
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Enantiodromia... again. by Monolycus on Jul 27, 2002 - 06:16 AM (User info | Send a Message) | Don't be fooled into making the same mistake the majority do when discussing partisan politics. The only differences that exist between Democrats and Republicans exist on paper. They are in collusion with one another when it comes to protecting their interests (primarily, entrenching themselves and exploiting their constituency). The present administration is evil and corrupt, as was the allegedly "democratic" administration under Clinton. Believe me, none of the duocracy has your best interests at heart. None of the present situation would be substantively different if Gore were at the helm... you would simply be trading one rich member of a political dynasty for another.
The problems with the economy stem from the corporate greed and corruption that is part and parcel with the philosophy of capitalism. Unfortunately, the "panic" on Wall Street opens the door for another big phantom to come and distract us while more changes are pushed through that none of us, were we thinking clearly, would condone in a million years. I am, I was, I will be
one very disenchanted
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Re: Re: The United Nazi States of America by bettie_x (strangersangel@hotmail.com) on Jul 27, 2002 - 08:42 PM (User info | Send a Message) http://bettie_x.tripod.com/strangeasangels/ | I *LOVE* THAT MOVIE!
"my sex change operation got botched...(can't remember next)...now what I got is a barbie doll crotch I got an angry inch....."
Ahem...that aside *snicker*
I do agree...it worries me quite a bit. Seems almost too outrageous to be true, but sadly it's almost becoming expected of our government...people almost seem to WANT a totalitarian society...makes you wonder if the "dumbing down" of our schools is a purposeful attempt to make the future generations apathetic and uneducated and unable to pose a legitimate fight against a takeover from within.
"lead us guide us tell us what to do where to go when to go there how to breathe think and piss....wait, what're you doing..." |
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Re: Re: Re: The United Nazi States of America by Cashmere on Jul 27, 2002 - 08:59 PM (User info | Send a Message) | *My guardian angel fell asleep on the watch*
I feel the (specifically American) government was more like an organism in that way: the dumbing down of society through certain leads to less resistance ensuring the survival of the government as a whole. A large society with free thinking individuals leads to questions about the way societ is run, leading to rebellions and new government systems with which to rule and grow larger. Systems with free thinking and intelligent beings usually end up being relatively small. By "usually", I mean that there could be exceptions but I cannot think of a single one. |
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Re: Re: Re: Re: The United Nazi States of America by bettie_x (strangersangel@hotmail.com) on Jul 29, 2002 - 09:45 PM (User info | Send a Message) http://bettie_x.tripod.com/strangeasangels/ | Because as devin stated in his "goth as religion", it ALL starts with intelligent free thinking individuals (like ours did in the beginning) and then the wanna be idiots start hanging around, clinging on, making their idea their own but in thier own idiot fashion, warp it, then it's nothing even close to what it originally was. YOu can't make the masses happy. You CAN make them stupid, and ignorance is bliss, so it seems. Now all we need is a big pile of sand to stick our collective heads in.
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A book on the subject
by KatB (satanslittlehelper@hell.no)
on Jul 29, 2002 - 05:00 AM
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History has a tendency to repeat itself, and the current Bush does not give the impression of having too good a memory…
I reckon anyone who finds this development sick and/or scary would benefit from reading “Flow My Tears, The Policeman Said” by Philip K Dick - here’s a quote from the editorial review:
“Stunningly plausible in its portrayal of a neo-fascist America, where everyone informs on everyone else, this Orwellian novel bores deeply into the bedrock of the self--and plants dynamite at its center. "Fifty or a hundred years from now, (Dick's) world will stand alone on its own terms."
If his name sounds familiar, he also wrote “Do Androids Dream Of Electric Sheep” a.k.a. Blade Runner.
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Re: A book on the subject by bettie_x (strangersangel@hotmail.com) on Jul 29, 2002 - 09:48 PM (User info | Send a Message) http://bettie_x.tripod.com/strangeasangels/ | or perhaps the equal orwellian "1980" (or is it 86? don't remember).
Watched the teevee movie in Highschool and read the book thereafter....scary 'cause it's probable.
Americans want to be totally free and totally safe. Can't have both. I'd rather be totally free, which means to be totally free to carry a weapon. Two thugs with one stone. |
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Re: Re: Re: A book on the subject by bettie_x (strangersangel@hotmail.com) on Jul 30, 2002 - 01:54 PM (User info | Send a Message) http://bettie_x.tripod.com/strangeasangels/ | Oh I knew it was 1980somethingorother. YOu knew what I was talking about.
Yes, brazil was very very creepy.
I'm not quite paranoid...it all sounds very creepy and subversive in print, and I'm very careful about believing everything I read, especially about the government, but you have to take everything with a grain of salt.
But then again I do read too many dean koontz books and listen to art bell too often for my own good. I can't help it. I'm a conspiracy addict.
Not everyone in our government is bad, but not everyone is good, it's like that in every government around the world (except in like luxembourg or switzerland and those bitty bitty peaceful countries) but love it or hate it I'm here and have to make due. I happy with being ABLE to complain, and have an opinion, and voice it without having suits show up on my doorstep. When and if this "secret tattletail" club comes into action, we'll never know. With life and government issues you have to play it by ear, so to say, and do what you can. As much as I hate the idea, and that it's a blatant slap in the face of the constitution and everything about "democracy", I guess I"m not scared because I have nothing to hide. But I don't like it happening to people that don't deserve it. For every honest to goodness real life terrorist, criminal, and individual that means harm to the well being of the nation that they catch and detain, there will be 20 perfectly innocent citizens harassed adn misjudged.
THIS is what truly happens when paranoia reaches the higher ups. I dont' think it's more looking for control of the people as of fear of having none in the face of danger. It's not right, but like I said, people get strange ideas when they're frightened.
Looks like the american public isn't the ONLY ones scared shitless. When your government instigates an action that has all the earmarks of kneejerk fear, it makes us ALL a little edgy. |
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Lege, quaeso
by Anonymous-Coward on Aug 01, 2002 - 04:55 PM
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Yes, I read a neat piece on a Totalitarian society recently as well. It was called Public Law 107-56-OCT. 26, 2001, although you can call it by its informal name of Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism (USA Patriot Act) Act of 2001. The authors aren't quite as reknowned as Philip K. Dick et al... as a matter of fact, they really ruined their credibility when the called Ariel "Nice Day for a Bloodbath" Sharon "...undoubtably a man of peace".
It's a bit of a slow read, about 160 pages long, but it paints a really great picture of a police state including roving surveillance, wiretaps, infiltration of all assemblies (such as the page you are currently reading), seizure of money and property, investigations of all US citizens, and on and on and on. Check it out. Your local library should have a copy. Be careful though... one of the provisions of the Patriot Act is that they can now pull all of your library records to find out what you have been reading. Just something to keep in mind. I am, I was, I will be
~Monolycus.
P.S. Here's a great new game to play... look at all the new members since 13 Oct. 2001 and play "Spot the Homeland Defense Agent".
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Re: Lege, quaeso by Monolycus on Aug 01, 2002 - 04:59 PM (User info | Send a Message) | Should go without saying that I wrote the above (and was logged in when I did it), but I will say it anyway. I am, I was, I will be
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Re: The United Nazi States of America
by anayansi (lyra_belaque@hotmail.com)
on Jan 16, 2004 - 10:48 PM
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is anyone really surprised? i was listening to npr this afternoon while they talked about people getting tickets because of long range monitering devices that the manufacturer had implanted in their cars, not because the po po actually caught them. the tickets were ruled illegal, but the monitering that made the illegal possible is legal...crazy world...
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