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Lemmings on Parade: No End in Sight - War on terrorism |
Posted by
feralucce on Tuesday, February 05, 2002 - 04:51 AM PST
No End in Sight
On Tuesday, January 29, 2002, President George W. Bush, in his first State of the Union address called the countries of North Korea, Iraq, and Iran an "axis of evil" and the "world's most dangerous regimes."
Through thunderous applause from congress, Bush continuing listing countries. Bosnia, the Philippines, Somalia, all are "ticking time bombs" ready and waiting to go off.
Leaders of these countries have responded predictably. Filipino representative Saturnino Ocampo said that the speech "portrays the arrogant stance of the U.S. to justify its unilateral action." Iran's foreign minister Kamal Kharrazi dismissed Bush's comments as "unfounded" and Salim al-Qubaisi, head of the Iraqi parliament's foreign and Arab relations committee is quoted as saying that "Little Bush's accusation against Iraq is baseless."
No one is denying that these countries have governments that are brutal and totalitarian at best. But do the attacks of September 11, really justify such aggressive behavior on the part of America? Is peace even an option anymore? Hasn't America's past shown that, in the past fifty years, attacking its semi-threatening countries only succeeds in producing more enemies?
In the past, our country has used the Soviet Threat to pretty much justify anything, from seeking out "commies" in our own military to the invasion of Cuba. The fall of the USSR was supposed to ring in a time of peace and understanding from others. There was no longer a threat, and now America had a great opportunity to seek out world peace. Unfortunately, our media and our government has the uncanny ability to take any two-bit dictator and blow them up as the next big threat - even though our government has been employing said dictators for years. Hence Manuel Noriega, former leader of Panama, graduate of the infamous School of the Americas, and drug trafficker supreme and who is now serving 40 years in a U.S. federal penitentiary. He had been in the pay of the CIA for thirty years. Saddam Hussein, who was trampled by Operation Desert Storm, so we could protect another totalitarian government in Kuwait, and who is now the new public enemy #1 was supported by the U.S. when fighting Iran in the eighties. Strangely enough, there is absolutely NO evidence even connecting Iraq to the September 11 attacks. Speaking of bin Laden, he was also financially supported by the U.S. in the eighties in order to keep the Soviets from getting into the Middle East. And now he's mysteriously disappeared.
The philosophy of "my enemy's enemy is my friend" has seemingly dominated America's foreign policy for quite some time, often with disastrous results. There is even a term for getting disastrous results from this philosophy: its called "blowback." Which raises the question "Was it really a good idea to support the Northern Alliance?"
The problem with fighting a "War on Terror" is that it has no end. It's like fighting a war on happiness or something… The War on Terrorism is doing nothing but create more terror. The War on Terror will never end.
Feral
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Re: No End in Sight - War on terrorism
by Ironboots on Feb 05, 2002 - 05:11 AM
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Bush thinks its his duty as Superman to get rid of all the bad guys...
Really, would it have been so bad if Gore or Nader or some lone person had been elected? What if by some strange cosmic error, Ickgirl was elected president? The possibilities...
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Re: No End in Sight - War on terrorism by Xaoswolf (Xaoswolf@hotmail.com) on Feb 05, 2002 - 08:30 AM (User info | Send a Message) http://Xaoswolf.tripod.com | It was a tight race between Cthulhu and the Juzam Djinn for my junior class president. Oh those were the days. And boy did it suck being his campaign manager, drawing posters, making elder signs, serving tea to him and Nyarlathotep. My freind Rob had a better time being Juzam's manager, he just had to run around and yell "Five - Five for Four, what a deal!!". In the end, neither of us won of course, and next the year they made some silly announcements about having to get campaign poster approved, and they took the write in blank off of the ballot. |
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Re: No End in Sight - War on terrorism by Devin (devin-at-vibechild-dot-com) on Feb 05, 2002 - 09:56 AM (User info | Send a Message) http://devin.vibechild.com/ | Same thing happened my junior year at my school, except our candidate's name was Bob. Bob was a cow bone we found and molded into a quite convincing alien with the help of some colored pens and stickytac. Bob's slogan was "I'm better than the other guys". Actually, Bob did just as well as Gore, but in the end some guy with pointy hair won it. |
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Re: No End in Sight - War on terrorism by Xaoswolf (Xaoswolf@hotmail.com) on Feb 05, 2002 - 11:49 AM (User info | Send a Message) http://Xaoswolf.tripod.com | Wow, Bob ran my sophmore year, never actually saw the guy, I just know I was hanging signs that read "Vote for Bob" everywhere. When the other candidates got scared of his popularity, they took the signs down. Funny part is, is that they needed a ladder to get some down, but we never had a ladder when we put them up... |
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Re: No End in Sight - War on terrorism
by VampCourt (Morbidchic@hotmail.com)
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I think it would be most pleasant to see a woman president. But i dont see that happening for awhile. No offence but its still a male dominated world in some aspects. :(
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Re: No End in Sight - War on terrorism by feralucce on Feb 05, 2002 - 08:02 AM (User info | Send a Message) http://feralucce.vibechild.com | Frankly, hun, it is not likely to make any major changes soon... we tend to be creatures of habit... which is why so much else if FUCKED UP...
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Re: No End in Sight - War on terrorism by bettie_x (strangersangel@hotmail.com) on Feb 05, 2002 - 07:35 PM (User info | Send a Message) http://bettie_x.tripod.com/strangeasangels/ | She'd have to be "fixed" first...you really want a broad with PMS with her manicured finger on the big red button? That's like giving a monkey (george W) a gun. Guaranteed to have a "mind blowing" experience...
Not that girls are incapable of being level headed and being the leader of the free world and a superpower, it's just that even I want to blow shit up when PMS hits.
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Re: No End in Sight - War on terrorism
by bettie_x (strangersangel@hotmail.com)
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Okay , George is a dickweed, and I listened to his speech, and I was left feeling intellectually RAPED.
Is it just me or do his eyes betray a freaking supernova between his ears?
Our economy is suffering, our troops are at "war", blah blah BUT THE STATE OF THE NATION HAS NEVER BEEN BETTER!
Well, yeah, nearly EVERYBODY bonds together during a good old cross burning...
Then I heard the "evil axis" and I wanted to put my head in the sand....oooooh boy...heeeere we go.
Did anyone else hear a bomb detonating as he said those words? A big invisible bomb? Like "there goes the neighborhood"? I remember when he broke treatise and started the okay for making nuclear bombs in america.....then was like "North vietnam, Iraq, blah blah are manufacturing nuclear weapons of mass destruction, manufacturing biological warfare agents, etc" and john stewart on the daily show repeated this, then gave a ridiculous look to the camera and said "nuclear bombs? Anthrax? Who do they think they are? US?!"
I about pissed myself, but it's funny in a sad sort of way.
I thought the minute I heard about the initial terrorist attack that it was going to turn ugly some way down the road. Everyone over there has an axe to grind with someone, including us. I felt it was going swimmingly, if not slow and a bit more messy than it should have been, until the state of the union address. Then I heard the bomb drop.....
What a friggin idiot. Yeah, drop bombs on them, then piss off everyone else while you're at it. Gooooood going, dipshit.
And don't tell me that if clinton was in office when this happened that we'd still be talking about "the war on terrorism"...it'd have been over LONG ago...he'd have gone in, kicked the shit out of whoever was responsible, and gotten out before you ccould say osama's mamma. Clinton didn't fuck around.
Betcha when that first plane hit he was on the phone to gore saying "now, are you sure you didn't really win that election? Sure they didnt' miss a box somewhere? Are you sure? Please?"
I shudder to think of what would have happend if gore was in office when this happened.
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Re: No End in Sight - War on terrorism by feralucce on Feb 05, 2002 - 10:47 PM (User info | Send a Message) http://feralucce.vibechild.com | bush... gore... the american people demand blood... and... perhaps they are right... but I'll not be the one to condone killing innocents over this...
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Re: No End in Sight - War on terrorism by bettie_x (strangersangel@hotmail.com) on Feb 06, 2002 - 10:23 PM (User info | Send a Message) http://bettie_x.tripod.com/strangeasangels/ | Of course they demand blood, and in my opinion rightfully so, as do I, but we've gone round and round about this FAR too much.
The problem is they are taking too long, they are being too messy, and the blood is spilled from the wrong vessels. Granted, people in the way are going to get hurt, killed, whathaveyou. Just remember that the taliban put those people in that position to begin with, and we are not totally to blame.
It still sucks. And the moment he said those words on international television, he dicked us all. It's like when roosevelt demanded unconditional surrender of germany during wwII...a stupid move, cost a lot of lives, and as we all know, people with nothing to lose can't be reasoned with, nor battled easily.
Ugh, I'm so sick of this. I think that if we really wanted him dead, osama'd be dead already. I don't know why they're draging this out so long, but it stinks of georgie with his thumb in one too many pies.
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Re: No End in Sight - War on terrorism by feralucce on Feb 07, 2002 - 09:38 AM (User info | Send a Message) http://feralucce.vibechild.com | They they they... them them them... you forget one thing... there are several hunders of thousands of people in afghanistan... and less than a thousand in Bin Laden's Camp... do the math... hundreds of thousands who know nothing of what is going on... and HE used to be on our payroll...
all this action succeeds in doing is killing our children...
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puke by Anonymous-Coward on Feb 07, 2002 - 09:32 PM | No shit sherlock, I did the math.
NOW less than a thousand, but that thousand has been able to bring a destitute country to it's knees for YEARS. And there were thousands more on HIS payroll willingly or otherwise, are they less evil?
Our children will die anyway, eventually, whether it's of natural causes, streetviolence, parental abuse, drugs or apocalypse. Everyone dies eventually, THOUSANDS die every day in third world countries of simple diseases that are easily treated in our barbaric bloodlusting society.
When I say they they they or them them them I'm talking about the taliban. Yes, sometimes about civilian afghanis, but mostly the taliban. What, you want me to call "them" all by name whenever I speak of "them"? Oops, there I go again...them them them...can't stop using it. What an unhumanistic twit am I.
Everyone over there has an inkling on what's going on, on some level, on some wavelength. Even if it's just in the way that their fucked up country just got more fucked up. Like in WWII germany. Everyone knew something was horribly wrong, whether they knew exactly what "it" was or not.
And more so knew quite well than not. How do you remain ignorant of a government that stops heavily regulated soccer games for public executions for such crimes as wearing makeup or having a tear in your burkha....or just for being a woman. Or for shaving your beard...or for playing music.
And yes he was on our payroll, how many times to we wish to revisit this? I'm not stupid, I can read and retain information. He was probably put on our payroll in a time when it seemed the sensible thing to do to prevent war, just like sadam. Sometimes in politics you have to fly by your bootstraps, and sometimes it bites you in the ass...because all politicians lie, not just OURS.
The taliban was killing it's own children long before we got there.
I thought for a moment I was actually agreeing with you, but once again I'm forced to recant as instead of debate or progressive thought this has become another bout of regurgitated world pity rhetoric and doom and gloom of the evil american machine. I've currently got the flu and don't wish to read or taste anything regurgitated.
Yes, we're bringing armagedon....fire and brimstone, evildevil666muthafukas we're all murderers, all of us, and everyone's innocent but us, we should be ashamed and the civilians in the trade center were deserving sacrificial lambs for a crazy troup of cave dwellers rallying against the evil western devils cause we "deserved" it.
Ask a new yorker if the captives in cuba are being treated unfairly and they'll say they have it too good. Oops, there I go again...can't stop using "they".
Where's a real man to be president, one with all the answers. Rhett rhett where have you gone?
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Re: puke by feralucce on Feb 12, 2002 - 08:29 AM (User info | Send a Message) http://feralucce.vibechild.com | Have you actually researched what the american government has done?
We, as a country, portray ourselves to the world as a democracy... a government of the people... In their eyes, since we are a democracy, the atrocities our government commit mean that we support what our government does...
While that is not true... they world sees it... and as we commit these attrocities and stick our nose in where it does not belong, the world begins to hate us... now... Now they hate us... and in their minds, rightfully so...
I don't agree with them... but violence... only begets violence... we "routed em good this time..." but that is not enough... we have generated more of the same sentiment and we are going to suffer for it...
If the taliban was such a problem, then why didn't we deal with it sooner? because it worked well to drive up the price of arms...
I don't care whether you agree... many religious books say that a man who chooses to be lost should be allowed to remain lost... but I sugest you open your mind... for a closed mind does no one any good.
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Re: puke by Anonymous-Coward on Feb 12, 2002 - 11:13 AM | The message of the Blame America Firsters, at home and abroad, in the wake of the terrorist attacks on September 11, is that "America had it coming."
This is not a time for self-indictment. This is a time for self-defense. Everyone has a natural right to self-defense. We do not have to prove that we are perfect before we have the right to protect ourselves. Consider a woman who staggers into a neighbor's house, her face bruised, nose bleeding, clothes torn. She tells her neighbor that her husband has beaten her, only to be told, "Those are horrific injuries. You must have really provoked him to make him do a thing like that." This is the message of the Blame America First crowd. To defend oneself, a woman or a nation needs to believe that she has a right to live, without continually apologizing for her existence.
You may reply that the analogy between national self-protection and protection against domestic violence doesn't work. The battered wife should not retaliate privately. She should call the police, get a restraining order, set the wheels of the criminal justice system into motion, rather than resort to violence herself.
This response misses the point: The police and criminal justice system rely on violence to keep social peace. Criminals rarely volunteer to go to prison or even to trial. The police must use force to apprehend and detain them. This organized use of violence in society helps minimize the random violence of domestic assault and other crimes.
In international affairs, military action can contribute to the deterrence of crime and the apprehension of criminals. It is not good enough to say that we ought to rely solely on the international courts. Osama bin Laden is already under indictment for the bombings of U.S. embassies. Indictments by themselves do not serve justice unless the criminal is actually captured and brought to trial.
It is not unusual for a battered woman to make excuses for the abuser. "I really did nag him. I really did burn dinner. He really did have reason to complain." Counselors at battered women's shelters patiently explain that she is entitled to be safe in her own home. She does not have to be perfect in order to protect herself. The perpetrator's "reasons" for the battering are not reasons at all but excuses. Battered women's shelters are full of women who secretly or not so secretly believe that they deserved the punishment they received at the hands of their abusers.
Some of America's critics are comparable to a neighbor who says, "Just clean yourself up, go on home and fix him his favorite dinner. He will treat you right if you just shape up." If she ends up battered again, that irresponsible neighbor bears some of the accountability. So too, will the Blame America First crowd bear some responsibility for the consequences of draining our will to defend ourselves.
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Re: puke by Anonymous-Coward on Feb 12, 2002 - 11:18 AM | oops, sorry, I didn't log in.. Rae |
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Re: puke by Rae (darkness_embraced1@yahoo.com) on Feb 13, 2002 - 10:06 AM (User info | Send a Message) http://darknessembraced.vibechild.com | If the shoe was on the other foot and it was the Middle East who held the position as the Super Power, you would have seen the slaughter of innocents well beyond the numbers that you claim the United States responsible for. And maybe, just maybe, if some other countries would get off their ass and do something that is closer to their back yards then depending on us, we wouldn't be in the position we are in today. They all cry do something, but then sit back and sneer their noses upon us and point fingers with their hypocritical remarks. Funny, they can go to bed at night and rest comfortably because they know America is out there doing the job but bitch at breakfast about how America is such a big bully. And unfortunately, if it means civilian casualties vs. catastrophic destruction, so be it. I wish you lived 7 blocks from the capital and was awakened about 7 times a night everytime you heard a plane flying over head, maybe then you would understand my fear somewhat and my will to survive. |
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Re: puke by Anonymous-Coward on Feb 13, 2002 - 11:19 AM | I wanted to add that I truly think your heart is in the right place ferralucce, but with all due respect we just can't sit back and do nothing. (Rae) |
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Re: puke by feralucce on Feb 14, 2002 - 08:33 AM (User info | Send a Message) http://feralucce.vibechild.com | you knwo something? I was in new yourk city the morning of... 16 blocks from the towers... I lost someone in that... and frankly... the violence is not sovling anything... simply making the eastern countries more angry with us... we are making it worse... and now... we are also giving the average person reason to support the terrorist actions... I.E. next time, the perps will be harder to find afterwards...
NOW, andswer me one question... how is it seven men... who are on active terrorism watch... FBI terrorism watch means they are supposed to be actively under surveillance... how is it... 7 of these people managed to plan this without anyone knowing? THe answer is... they didn't someone knew...
as a matter of fact... ap englad ran a story a week before stating that there was a plan to do exactly this on this date... and guess what... it happened...
SOMEONE KNEW AND THEY LET IT HAPPEN... let's find our governmental terrorists first...
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Re: No End in Sight - War on terrorism
by Anonymous-Coward on Feb 06, 2002 - 04:55 AM
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Haha "Axis of evil". Well, these are all emotional speeches meant to manipulate the public I guess. Nixon made a lot of similar statements during the Vietnam war. They probably don't want a bunch of hippies protesting against the "War on Terror" again. They want you to pay your taxes (money for manufacturing more nuclear weapons), be nice and quiet and not worry too much about your privacy (so they can read your e-mail). They want you to use a credit card, cell phone/whatever so you can be tracked 24/7.
Recently an anarchist site (raisethefist.com) was taken down by the FBI because "it provided information on manufacturing bombs" or so. It's archived at www.archive.org, although I haven't seen any stuff like that.
Also, on kuro5hin.org there was a thread on terrorism (?) and one person said something about "infecting the VP with smallpox". The next day, some SS (secret service) agents had a little chat with him.
So, basically what I'm saying is: be really nice and quiet, go to work, pay your taxes and be a part of the system or wake up one day with SS agents pointing guns at your head.
Duh! Man I tell you, I'd be the first person to colonize Mars rather than.. oh nevermind :)
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Re: No End in Sight - War on terrorism by feralucce on Feb 07, 2002 - 09:40 AM (User info | Send a Message) http://feralucce.vibechild.com | Well... all I have to say is fuck the system... I'll not support a system that is out there murdering innocent men women and children... and by remaining silent, I further what has led to this ...
Silence equals death
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Re: No End in Sight - War on terrorism
by Anonymous-Coward on Feb 06, 2002 - 02:35 PM
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Here comes the end of the world again. might as well get my first taste of beer. im only 12..*cough*...*sigh*
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Re: No End in Sight - War on terrorism
by VladII (vladII@seznam.cz)
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ok , every war is usually bad. but the terrorism is bad too. so what we have to do? i know that this war is probably endless , but endless are our tryings to live in better world too. we have to fight against terrorism in every way we can. i am not american so i am quit wondering that you disagree with your president. god, it was your buldings that these mutherfuckers blown in the air. i think bush is very good president , much more better than stupid clinton. i think we have to be glad that clinton is not president in this time , cause he is less stronger person than bush. yes i am worry that this could turn in some middle age crusade against every religion except christianity. but i think we have to believe in our people,in our presidents ,in our goverment,cause i think these are the only one with enough power to solve this problem. And terrorism IS problem. i know it is difficult to believe in people we do not know exactly, but now we have to forget some minnors problem and cooperate with each other to find and destroy these poeple who are responsible for terrorism. you probably will not agree with me , but this is my opinion. God bless america and the world.
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Re: No End in Sight - War on terrorism by feralucce on Feb 07, 2002 - 09:42 AM (User info | Send a Message) http://feralucce.vibechild.com | This isn't a war on terrorism... this is an excuse... an excuse to wipe out contries taht have nothing to do with it by fabricating their supposed duplicity...
People that have faith in the american government are as gullible as people who think nailing a guy to a tree was a path to enlightenment...
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Re: No End in Sight - War on terrorism by VladII (vladII@seznam.cz) on Feb 09, 2002 - 07:49 AM (User info | Send a Message) | it is your opinion. but i still thinks that the war against terrorism is necessary:)
fuck the terrorists! |
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Re: No End in Sight - War on terrorism by VladII (vladII@seznam.cz) on Feb 13, 2002 - 11:39 PM (User info | Send a Message) | yes , i know what you mean , but do you have any better idea? |
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Re: No End in Sight - War on terrorism by feralucce on Feb 14, 2002 - 08:38 AM (User info | Send a Message) http://feralucce.vibechild.com | answer me one question... how is it seven men... who are on active terrorism watch... FBI terrorism watch means they are supposed to be actively under surveillance... how is it... 7 of these people managed to plan this without anyone knowing? THe answer is... they didn't someone knew...
as a matter of fact... ap england ran a story a week before stating that there was a plan to do exactly this on this date... and guess what... it happened...
SOMEONE KNEW AND THEY LET IT HAPPEN... let's find our governmental terrorists first... We need to find those inside that are willing to let people die for a fund raiser...
18 billion dollars in military spending were cut the day before, but the act had been in th works for weeks... 2 days after we increease military spending by 20 billion... sound fishy...
let's clean house
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Re: No End in Sight - War on terrorism
by Rae (darkness_embraced1@yahoo.com)
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I really wanted to stay out of the political arena on Shmeng from here on out. But once again, I find myself yielding to the temptation. Although everything I state will most likely either go through one ear and straight out the other or ignite heated rebuttals, I am going to say my piece.
Not one of us are fully aware of the exact details of the situation. Nor do we know all of the evidence that has been gathered, and none of us have sat at the table with the joint chief of staff and National Security Advisors to know exactly what perils we are facing. But yet, we can sit and bitch, moan, groan, complain about the decisions made.
We think we know it all, but we don’t. If we did, we wouldn’t need a government to make the decisions for us. Like it or not, that’s the way it is. Want to change it? Run for President since you have all the answers. I am tired of hearing the whining about past events...that’s exactly what they are..past events..look at it, learn from the mistakes and move on. Deal with what’s on the dinner plate right now, not yesterdays left overs. If we dwell on the who’s right and wrong through out American History, we begin to lose focus on the present situation. Please, don’t misunderstand me, history is important. But to continuously bring it up to cut throat what is going on right now, is ridiculous. We are talking survival here, not some school yard game of “are too!” and “are not!”. The George Bush and Clinton Bashing is not even necessary. Sounds to me like everyone is masquerading behind their personal grudges about who is in office instead of the crisis at hand. Plain and simple people..there is a threat of biological, nuclear destruction to us here in the U.S. and abroad. The Countries that were called out where done so due to the fact that they produce and manufacture these materials to the highest bidder and they are known to condone terroristic activity and give them refuge. There was evidence found in the caves with theses materials on their “shopping” lists. Do I trust my government? I would have to be insane to answer yes to that, but at this point, I don’t have a choice. So why bitch? Forget the daisies and the peace symbol. It didn’t work in the 70's and it won’t succeed in this millennium. This behavior will continue as long as humans are inhabitants on this earth. It always has and always will be the law of the jungle, survival of the fittest. Utopia only exists in a book.
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Re: No End in Sight - War on terrorism by Anonymous-Coward on Feb 07, 2002 - 09:36 PM | THANK YOU!
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Re: No End in Sight - War on terrorism by Rae (darkness_embraced1@yahoo.com) on Feb 07, 2002 - 10:50 PM (User info | Send a Message) http://darknessembraced.vibechild.com | Your Welcome. :o) Another point I wanted to make above but failed to, ...many may not be appeased by George W. Bush's brand of American wartime unilateralism, but is there really any question about whether the speech itself was exceptable or not? I do have to snicker at those who complain of Bush's jingoistic rhetoric. What do you expect from a leader of a nation at war? Something along the lines of 'can't we all just get along?'
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To hell with everything.
by Anonymous-Coward on Feb 07, 2002 - 10:11 PM
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Feral you were active duty huh? Then your probably familiar with the sentiment I'm about to loose...let 'em all frickin' burn, I'll bring the matches...good guys, bad guys...what the fuck ever. All the penny-anny bullshit is just wasting air and evolution time...blast Osama, Blast Bush, blast madagascar lemurs for being suspiciously bandit-eyed. I'm sick and tired about having to think about it...it just doesn't get anybody anywhere.
Ta' hell with everything...maybe thats why I don't shoot guns, I pull bullets out of people. Whatever.
Valid and intelligent conversations and discussions abound on this site...but for god's sake...this one needs to be shot in the head and left in a shallow grave.
Hoo-ah...
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Re: eep... by feralucce on Feb 12, 2002 - 08:33 AM (User info | Send a Message) http://feralucce.vibechild.com | I am familiar with it... and... frankly... that mentality is why I am not... dying by your own stupidity is one thing... but by someone else's is completely different...
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Crud... by Dolorosa on Feb 15, 2002 - 08:12 AM (User info | Send a Message) | You make sense Feral...you make good freaking sense...keep it up soldier. |
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Re: No End in Sight - War on terrorism
by jadedraven (smithsm@alfredstate.edu)
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I have tried very hard to avoid this whole debate. In several of my college classes, I have gotten a lot of shit for airing my views, but I do want to put in my two cents.
Yeah, a lot of people died, and that sucks, I know that, however, things like that happen ALL THE TIME!!! Not so close to home, but in other countries bloody war is common! I just don't think its fair that a lot of us freak out when it happens here, but we hardly say a word if it happens somewhere else in the world, when it is just a blip on the news or in the paper.
we (USA) will not stop until our national thirst for blood is quenched, and i don't think that is fair. I really don't see how anything is being solved right now, I mean, Bin Laden is still around, we are still getting periodic national alerts (the last one being on the 12th of February) and people are dying. I know a lot of people that don't understand that becuase it is so far away, but people who live and breathe and think, and feel, and in many ways are JUST LIKE US, they are dead, and we killed them, people who didn't deserve it, children, babies, and it makes me so sad. On top of that, since the whole Sept 11th thing, we have given Afganistan more money than we EVER gave them before then, I almost want to say it was like before=2 mil, after=43 mil, or something like that, so how is it that we are accomplishing anything. I know we can't sit back, but we don't seem to be doing much taking action either.
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