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Articles: Goths and poseurs...I've had it!! |
Posted by
bettie_x on Friday, January 18, 2002 - 05:11 AM PST
I demand this be handed out to every 13 year old when they buy their first black tshirt...
I've had it! I've seen so many posts all about the internet about "what is goth" "am I goth" "I'm gother than you" "you aren't goth" and "what is the nature of my uber black undies" 'course I'm the moron still reading them, but it's like telling roger rabbit not to push the big red button.
And I've had it! *tears out hair*
Labels are retarded whether you are given them or give them to yourself. People treat "gothdom" is like a religion...people make it up as they go along to suit their needs in order to "belong".
Myth one: "being yourself is goth"
Okay, so a gangster is being himself, his lifestyle and mentality and heart intertwined with the streetlife he grew up in. If I said he's goth because he's being himself, it'd be ludicrous. A little preppie girl is being who she truly is, loves christina aguilera a whole lot, and has a backstreet boys backpack. If I said she was goth, you'd hit me with a stick and ask if I'm okay. Just being yourself doen't make you goth...it doesn't make you anything other than being yourself. Just like EVERYONE ELSE.
Myth two: "if you're an outcast, you're goth"
A nice kid with good grades and is pretty easy going and nice gets the shit kicked out of him every day, 'cause he's nice, and he's a wimp. This kid sees a group of kids in the same school who wear black and listen to korn or some other godawful similar band, and everyone hates them too. So this kid puts on black clothes and starts listening to korn, and all of a sudden a little goth tinkerbell flies out of his ass crack and says "welcome, welcome to the darkside...bring us your weak, bring us your poor, bring us your poorly done eyeliner and bad poetry, 'cause everyone hates us too." That, and he get's called a "poseur".
Myth three: "wearing black makes you special"
no it doesn't.
And all the rallying of "I'm different and nobody understands me and I'm treated unfairly". Well, yeah, you and the rest of the world, sweetcheeks. Then turn around and bitch about the "hicks" and the "prepps" and the "normals". I didn't know wearing black gave you liscence to hypocracy.
What, you think you can go to school in deathmetal makeup and crotchless pants and your hair all freaked out and NOT get some sort of reaction? What, you want people to just walk up and say "man, you're really original. You're sure expressing yourself in a radically socially unacceptable way, you must really keep your parents on their toes with your nonconformist attire. Right on." No. You're going to get called a freak, a fag, marilyn manson, etc. You choose to dress a way that get's you messed with, that is tried and true to get you messed with (no playing dumb, kids. You know it damned well and had PLENTY of warning), so stand up like a big boy/girl and take it if it's so near and dear to you! Sure, it sucks, yeah, it's not fair and it's usually the result of originality in homogenized bland idiotville, but whether you believe or not you were "born" this way, you choose to follow it, so be strong about it. Wipe the tears, pull up your sagging drawers, put some ice on that black eye.
Myth four: "there is a definition to goth" (and you're the only one privy to that deep dark secret)
No, there isn't. Not anymore. Hell, it's not even a subculture. Subcultures aren't popularly known, and has a sort of mystique. Everybody and their mother knows some form of "goth" even if its the retarded media drenched kind...the kind that makes news with one braincell between two people and a couple of shotguns. Hell, everyone's goth now, right? We're all so individual. And everyone has an ultimately all inclusive evasive answer to the query of goth. People go on and on how "it's not about the clothes or the music or the lifestyle or the clubs or the makeup or the interests or the genetic code or the cigarettes you smoke and the booze you drink or the people you hang around and the mentality, and oh, I'M not goth, and neither are you because blah blah blah" Jeezuz! Bullshit! It's ALL of that ('cept for maybe the genetic code thingy), and some people to a lesser degree, it just makes you "less goth" or something like that than someone else, HEAVEN FORBID! Boo hoo! Cry some more, just don't come to me to fix your makeup!
I think I'm done now. Back to surfing the void.
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Note: It was suggested to me that I use this post from the forums as an article, so here you go devin (with some modifications so it's rational to those that didn't read the forum): - bettie_x |
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Re: Goths and poseurs...I've had it!!
by VampCourt (Morbidchic@hotmail.com)
on Jan 18, 2002 - 06:01 AM
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*shakes her head* its just damn pitiful.
I like being Court. I think im gonna coin the word Court and if anyone trys to be Court-like in anyway is a POSER!! yeah.
although.. i found one boy in my brothers highschool a little confused.. wearing a sports baseball cap and black lipstick. i kindah scratched my head at that one. Boy george?
(btw I like Boy george, it wasnt a knock at him at all)
Le sigh... im goth... so goth.. so so so very.. goth...
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Re: Goths and poseurs...I've had it!! by Xaoswolf (Xaoswolf@hotmail.com) on Jan 18, 2002 - 11:25 AM (User info | Send a Message) http://Xaoswolf.tripod.com | If I try to be Court-like, will a Court Tinkerbell fly out of my ass crack? That goth one hurt like hell(all those studs and chains you know) I wouldn't wan't to go through that again... |
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Re: Goths and poseurs...I've had it!! by VampCourt (Morbidchic@hotmail.com) on Jan 18, 2002 - 04:15 PM (User info | Send a Message) | oh yeah its worse. Im on fire and a little runny. |
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Weeee out the colon we go! by VampCourt (Morbidchic@hotmail.com) on Jan 21, 2002 - 05:45 AM (User info | Send a Message) | *YARF* gawd i cant stand taco bell. its so nasty. do people relize like, for instance, how long they use the same meat? Its sickening.. but meat is just gross anyways...
but in any case.. Im glad to see my court-fairy like qualitys are the results of intestinal problems..
*laugh* |
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Re: Weeee out the colon we go! by Xaoswolf (Xaoswolf@hotmail.com) on Jan 21, 2002 - 06:11 AM (User info | Send a Message) http://Xaoswolf.tripod.com | You think that how long that the meat sits around is bad, you ain't seen nothing. A couple of freinds of mine used to work at a taco bell. When they needed something done fast, the manager hands out pills to speed things up. They had very bad porn (this definately wasn't erotica) playing in the kitchen for about a week straight. At least one person rubbed his penis on a burrito. It just keeps getting worse and worse. |
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Re: Weeee out the colon we go! by VampCourt (Morbidchic@hotmail.com) on Jan 21, 2002 - 06:34 AM (User info | Send a Message) | Penis burritoes?
LOVE THAT!!!!!!!
*vile sarcasm* |
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Re: Goths and poseurs...I've had it!!
by feralucce on Jan 18, 2002 - 11:21 AM
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I am just confused by one thing...
If there is no longer a definition to goth... how can you say that anyone is a poser or poseur?
Feral
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Re: Goths and poseurs...I've had it!! by bettie_x (strangersangel@hotmail.com) on Jan 19, 2002 - 01:46 AM (User info | Send a Message) http://bettie_x.tripod.com/strangeasangels/ | That's just it!! There is no way!! It's all jacked up....jacked up like crack...drives me NUTS!!
Not like I care anyway, I don't ever even leave the house...it's about the whole "gother than thou" "what is goth" crap I see allll over the place..
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Re: Goths and poseurs...I've had it!! by callei (plyn@plynlymon.com) on Jan 27, 2002 - 11:27 AM (User info | Send a Message) http://www.plynlymon.com | there are still poseurs, that being a completely seperate issue from gothness.
and yes there are still posers as well. there are oodles of people that spend thier whole lives trying to be things that they are not and failing in very humourous and painful-to-watch ways.
Think of all the people that try to keep up with the Jones' ( this means people that buy a better car, even if they cant afford one, just because thier neighbors bought a new car. they have to out do the people around them even if it means that they ruin thier financial lives). these people are quite clearly posers.
Think of me trying out for cheerleading. I was posing bigtime.
think of betty dressed as a secretary, trying to look like her piercings were just wrinkles in her clothes. both funny and sad right?
Now remember the REALLY fat, i mean scarily and life threateningly obese girls that wore "cute" pink dresses to prom.
Or how about our dear Dolorosa trying to pose as a "good" navy person? striped socks, i mean really...
Feral everytime you dress up in the most normal clothes that you have and try to pretend that you werent a wild youth, you are posing too!
posing doesnt jsut mean trying to be "goth", the phase was actualy more popular with with the preppies (back when there was a group that self identified as preppies and used labels on those not of thier status) who loved to call the slightly less well off kids that they knew posers. the more orgiginal connotation is one of jr. keeping up with the jones', rather than one keeping up with the Siouxsies'
anyhoo.....
yah i am that old. |
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the sexy secretary strikes again!!! by bettie_x (strangersangel@hotmail.com) on Jan 27, 2002 - 10:26 PM (User info | Send a Message) http://bettie_x.tripod.com/strangeasangels/ | very good, very well, thanks for "getting" it.
keeping up with the siouxies...*snicker* VERY GOOD!
There was a frighteningly obese girl in school. She was obnoxious, obsessed with sex (but never had it before!) and was so about her individuality and being "freaky" but spent way too much time trying to be popular and trendy. Wierd combination.
She would wear the worst stuff. And believe me, I have overweight friends, I WAS overweight! I walk into layne bryant (a plus size store in the NW etc) with my best friend and she'll pick up a size 18 halter top and say quite loudly "just because it comes in your size doesn't mean you can wear it! Jeesus christ!!" and toss it back in disgust.
Anyway, I remember one of the MANY horrid things, it was a very nice outfit. It fit, sort of, but her fucking JELLY ROLL hung out the bottom of the shirt! NOT KIDDING. A good three inches of exposed hanging FLAB below her shirt over her skirt.
PULLING BUTTONS AT THE TOP.
OR, for a play, she begged and begged and BEGGED to be one of the "party girls" in a murdermystery dinner theater we did, and she shows up at showtime with cutoffs SO short her 300 lb ASS was hanging out of it! No tights underneath either! Nothing but cellulite and stretchmarks and little squishes of asscheeks sticking out the back.
Our director about told her to go home and change, but we'd no time, so he made her tie a SHIRT around her waist.
300lbs acting like you are 100lbs is posing.
Oh, and she was always talking about piercing her bellybutton....WHAT BELLYBUTTON!!!
I'm sorry, it's just I see so many ill fitted people at work selling clothes everyday....and it's always the big nasty toothless 400 lb ones trying to squeeze into a medium size short vinyl dress 'cause they want it "tight and sexy" 'cause it's "for the bedroom"
and how their husbands are going to jus DIE! YES, FROM A FRIGGIN ANEURISM!! FROM FRIGHT!!!
And I have room to talk, 'cause I was fat once, ruined my body even though I lost all the weight, and I was always conscious of my size and dressed accordingly. You don't have to dress in a mumu and curlers, but just because you're "liberated" doesn't mean you can pack your fat ass into size 20fucking4 vinyl pants and look appealing!
*shreik*
I've posed this question to several overweight friends of mine and they all agree.
Whenever you pretend to be something you are not (ie goth, trendy, edgy, thin, happy) you are a poseur. You can have goth friends without being one, you can have hippie friends without being one. You can be overweight and still look damn good without letting it ALL hang out...
You can have trendy friends without being brainless...
It's all relative.
And I look DAMN sexy in a nice, short business suit *wink*
Now for the piercings...we'll work on that...gotta find a girlie piercer first *snort*
Michael's very protective you see...and don't want his protectiveness to kick in when the needles' HALF in :) |
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Re: Goths and poseurs...I've had it!! by callei (plyn@plynlymon.com) on Jan 30, 2002 - 03:58 PM (User info | Send a Message) http://www.plynlymon.com | We judge because we are human sweety. that is what we do. We judge if it is edible, fuckable or safe all the time. that is part of why we have brains.
btw this is particularly funny coming from a guy that play gother than thou with the street rats at Poppy's
Did you know that kaudi's is gone? is a tour shop now, selling plantation tours and the haunted quater walks. *shiver* |
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Re: Goths and poseurs...I've had it!! by bettie_x (strangersangel@hotmail.com) on Jan 31, 2002 - 08:20 PM (User info | Send a Message) http://bettie_x.tripod.com/strangeasangels/ | ditto..
But like I said, this isn't me saying what it is, it's me saying "who fucking cares? Drop it already!"
When I see someone, I dont' think hmmm...are they goth? Are they a poseur? I listen to them for a minute or two and decide whether or not I can tolerate them around me for any length of time.
Personally, i dont' care what's in your cig case, in your freezer, in your cd player (but it does help) or how black your black is. All I wanna know is if you're going to make me want to peel my own skin off to distract me from the excruciating moments of your prescence.
Humans categorize and stereotype and judge so we can figure shit out. We can't refer to every cell on this planet as an individual entity, we group. If we didn't, our heads would explode.
My favorites are those that judge those that judge....*snort*
I'm gonna go have a drink and figure that one out...
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Re: Goths and poseurs...I've had it!! by bettie_x (strangersangel@hotmail.com) on Jan 31, 2002 - 08:13 PM (User info | Send a Message) http://bettie_x.tripod.com/strangeasangels/ | *sigh* NOBODY is to say who is who. Who cares?
Not me. That is what this is all about....the ongoing debate over what is goth, who is goth, who is not and why and all the stupid "definitions" and "theories" on the nature of their black underwear, the magical black underwear that makes you a member of the uber popular true "darkside".
This is a post to say simply how sick I am of "i'm goth and you're not" or "i'm not goth, but you aren't either because....blah blah blah" and all those super irritating "what is goth to you".
Well, we all know that "goth" is like a religion, people make it up as they go along just so they can "fit in". All fine and good, but people seem to get so upset about it!
This is to show how ridiculous it all is. I certainly want no part in it, a main reason I don't go to clubs or go out a lot, because I want to avoid the stupid drama at all costs..
and we all know it's VEERY goth to be in the midst of drama *snort*
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Re: Goths and poseurs...I've had it!! by callei (plyn@plynlymon.com) on Feb 01, 2002 - 01:00 AM (User info | Send a Message) http://www.plynlymon.com | Sometimes i still care. I mean every now and then its fun to wad someone's else's panties with what is Uber and what is not.
I try not to play it with the kids, since thier culture is different and as strange to me as mine is to them.
But when they whine that they are original, I like to break out the history books (my photo albums) and point out the error in thier thinkin'.
maybe that is just cause im a jerk, but then again maybe its because ignorance annoys me.
anyhoo, i like to listen to people argue about goth, espcially when they are trying to make it sound so cool and wonderful and desireable.
It cracks me up. |
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Re: Goths and poseurs...I've had it!! by bettie_x (strangersangel@hotmail.com) on Feb 01, 2002 - 07:22 PM (User info | Send a Message) http://bettie_x.tripod.com/strangeasangels/ | Doomcookies are endless fun...
Yes, they wear their chains of misery so tragically well, don't they?
I can't tell sometimes if they forgot where they put the key or if they ate it so they could pretend someone else put them there...
You don't have to wear crotchless pants and freak your hair out to be original. But if you DECIDE that it is WHO you are, then deal with the abuse.
Nobody likes to be picked on, they think they are treated sooo unfairly, and the rest of the world has it easy. Wrongo...chances are if they dressed normaly anyway, they'd still get shit 'cause 9 times out of 10 it's not so much the clothes, it's the attitude, and when you put out the vibe that you don't wanna fit it, you won't, no matter how you dress.
I quite putting out the vibe years ago, and now I can be all jacked up looking and I have little kids and old women and men strike up conversations on my smoke break. Cause I don't put out the "I'm sooo tragically antisocial and misunderstood. What the fuck YOU lookin' at? Fuck off" vibe when someone glances my way. Granted I still get shit sometimes, but a LOT LESS. SOmeone yelled freak at me when I was walking across the parkinglot to work, and luckily he was close enough 'cause I turned around and kicked the tail light out on his nice new small penis substitution. Really scared him good. But I noticed that the confrontations are few and far between, and a lot of people I used to go to school with that see me now actually out and tell me that they were afraid of me, and that's why they picked on me.
It's old and tired, and I"m a jerk too.....I'm getting quite good at panty wadding lately too...I'm a hellraiser by birth. Let the undie stuffing begin!
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Re: Goths and poseurs...I've had it!! by callei (plyn@plynlymon.com) on Feb 02, 2002 - 02:03 AM (User info | Send a Message) http://www.plynlymon.com | "Pain looks good on other people, that is what they're for" giggle, i dont quote lyrics often, but these fit so well.
for those that dont recognize them right off, its sisters of mercy, and find the song yourself
d'ja know that the chain with pad lock necklace was called the punk wedding ring once a long time ago? i bet you did.
anyhoo.
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Que?
by Dolorosa on Jan 21, 2002 - 04:06 AM
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No wonder Goth is a four letter word...hard to catagorize, hard to follow through with, and hard to freaking understand. I'm not even sure I'm Goth, just that that's how I think of myself (Consequently, Goth is actually not allowed in the Navy, so apparently THEY have it figured...) In any case...I agree pretty much with everything up there, it makes sense...theres another one though, an associate of mine stated his definition of goth was freaks who dress in black and get beat up a lot (which I think corollates to an earlier Myth) Win one for gothdom, I squished his nose with my fishnet covered hand...wheeee. I think it's the socks though...man, I've got some mad goth socks...goth socks rock...
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Re: Que? by callei (plyn@plynlymon.com) on Jan 27, 2002 - 11:16 AM (User info | Send a Message) http://www.plynlymon.com | I have the long thigh high style of the striped pirate socks, and the short anle length stripey ones.....
Does that make me Uber goth?
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Yo ho ho... by Dolorosa on Jan 25, 2002 - 12:34 AM (User info | Send a Message) | Jeniuses both are we...heh heh, seriously, socks rock...I got busted last dress inspection for wearing black and white striped socks, honestly the captain was just kinda' confused. Hee hee...dammnit we're cool! |
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Thar she blows! by Dolorosa on Jan 26, 2002 - 01:09 AM (User info | Send a Message) | Yeah...I got busted...it kinda' sucked...it's alright though, just to make it even stranger, maybe I'll shadow my eyes at captain's mass...formal dress review, I'll just have to find a formal dress... |
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Roger that. by Dolorosa on Feb 16, 2002 - 11:10 AM (User info | Send a Message) | Aye aye...or rather, aye yi yi. I have those too...monsters under the bed...grab my feet when I get out...sucks...I'll get them though... |
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