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Re: My darlin angel gal Mandi(Score: 1) by Arthegarn on Apr 27, 2005 - 09:11 AM | Quite nice, Lestat. So what am I, a dummy or a hypocrite?
Being a Catholic in Spain does NOT pay. Specially a young one. Everybody looks down at you and looks for the hole the clergy (“los curas”) left when they sucked your brains out. When you prove not to be that dumb, when in fact you argue and rout their prejudices with logical argumentation then you are a fanatic who can’t see the obvious (the fact that you just proved that “the obvious” is simply a prejudice, misconception, primitive reasoning not taken to its natural conclusion or straightforward lie doesn’t seem to count)
Go a little deeper into religion, man. At least into Roman Catholicism. I mean a little deeper than when you get to the “booo ur a devil or you'll burn in hell crap with no substance inside”. There is a LOT under that part (which is, of course , the hypersimplification of misconception)
You say that all religions make the same mistake, that “none of them had the balls to accept that there are things which we don't know”. I can see you have deeply studied this subject. I am being ironic. Speaking for mine, we have clearly stated we don’t have the answers to all questions since the 3rd Century. Actually, thinking that you know it all is a capital sin (pride). Journalists are there to sell newspapers. Don’t believe what a journalist tells you a church says. Go to the church and hear them speak for themselves. Read the encyclics. Read the cathecisms
Albert Einstein was a believer last time I checked. Remember the Universal Constant fiasco, when he had an atheist period and how he regretted it later?
“The intellect is incapable of approaching the heartbeat”. Yeah. Sure. I recommend “Studies about Love”, by Ortega y Gasset. Love IS a mind phenomenon (actually a brain phenomenon). What you are describing is not love – it is a rush of hormones. Love is an intellectual, willful act. Passion is something else, passion does come from a hormone rush and passion and love are NOT synonymous. Study passion and it will likely disappear. Study love and you’ll see it does not, more likely it’ll thrive as you realize its deepest aspects, aspect which are not accessible at a mere first glance. Love is like music: it can be heard, listened to or even studied. And a music student does not enjoy music less than anybody else. If anything the student enjoys it more.
You say religions have hurt this world. True. It is also true that religions have been for millennia the only support for moral behavior. Without a religion there was no moral, no good, no evil, no responsibility. Just thirst and drinking. Mankind has only recently begun to consider good and evil as not associated with religion (and if you want my opinion even Kant didn’t do it all that well). I don’t think mankind is yet ready to function without religion (actually I think it’ll never be). Can you look at the history of the world and imagine it without religion? True, there would have been less crusades… most likely because half mankind would have been to busy killing the other half over their women, land, property or whatever and they wouldn’t have had time to build civilization. If religion hadn’t started from the beginning it would have had to be invented.
Just to be human is enough. Sure. And what is that, “to be human”? I think one can only become really himself, one can only achieve his or her fullest potential by exploring his or her spiritual nature. When you take the first step into spiritual reality you take your first step into religion. Perhaps not a “organized” one, perhaps a religion of one, but a religion nonetheless. And shunning human spiritual nature doesn’t strike me as being particularly “human”, much less trying to be “as much human” as you can.
You know, there is who I am, there is who I was and there is who I want to be. Following your “Respect who you are and allow your nature to take its own course” advice doesn’t strike me as a particularly clever way of traveling from who I am to who I want to become. It sounds quite more like wandering around hoping I’ll somehow find myself where I want to be by mere choice. Sure. Same thing for the “don't force, don't repress“ part. If I feel violent… shouldn’t I control myself? If I am tempted to do something immoral, such as cheating my wife, shouldn’t I force myself to be faithful to her and to our compromise? My “nature” as a man compels me to have sex with that girl over there, should I send her husband to death so I can make her mine? Hey, I am just following my nature…
And anyway, do tell me, what is my nature? The dummy's or the hypocrite's?
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