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To Callei(Score: 5) by Arthegarn on Jul 20, 2003 - 01:08 PM | After the talks I've had with you and Shade I am not surprised you are afraid of people who label themselves Christians. Hell, so would I be, but the point is it's not their christianism what inspires me fear, it's their fanaticism.
I hate fanaticism. It's one of the very, very few people that make me turn away from people. The attitudes you describe are those of a fanatic and there is little so much against Jesus's message as fanaticism. The New Testament is full of instructions given to his disciples in which he told them NOT to act that way: Simon the Mage's one is one of the best known, but believe me, there are so many it's trifle to enumerate them. In the long history Catholic Christianity there have always ben fanatics, but I believe we got rid of the last ones about 200 years ago. Now, no matter what you have heard, mine is a religion of freedom. But discussing that would need another extremely boring thread. My point is what you mean when you say "Christian" is what Jesus meant when he said "Farisee". They were a cancer to the Jew religion, their excessive appreciation for the external forms and rituals of that religion had made them lost real touch with God, plus they considered themselves superior to other jews. Pride is Satan's favourite sin.
As for sex and religion... I don't know if I have already said this on this site, but I believe my pope is obsessed with sex. He is an otherwise great, intelligent and wise man (and not at all the senile frail old man some media wants people to believe... He rules the church with Paul VI's iron fist) but he is obsessed with sex. Let's play a game: say something you don't agree with the Catholic Hierarchy's position and you'll see. I'll play what I believe to be the top 10
Pre-marriage sex: Has to do with sex by definition
Outside marriage sex: Has to do with sex by definition
Divorce and similars: Has to do with sex
Contraception: Has to do with sex by definition
Abortion: Has to do with sex
Homosexuality: Has to do with sex by definition
Nuclear Family: Has to do with sex
Priests but no priestesses: has to do with sex
Celibacy: has to do with sex
Euthanasia: OK, this one doesn't have to do with sex
But do you know what? Things are changing. The Pope said not long ago that he knew there would end up being priestesses, but that that wouldn't happen while he was Pope (Not in my watch!). The first problem of the Church of Millions I talked in my prior post is that the Catholic church, because of its Catholic (Universal) vocation must speak with the same voice to the clever and the fool, the informed and the uninformed, the rich and the poor, the readers and the hungry. And the second one is that my Church has lost the faith in itself and its people; most of the hierarchy believes if they explained clearly something so undisputed as the Straight Conscience Doctrine (I'm talking St. Agustine, here), if they explained the khabbalistic meaning of the Parable of the Millions, the world would go astray and the streets would be turned into a fantastic orgy or something. They have lost the faith in that mere believers can decide by themselves what is and what is not a sin and under which circumstances. They don't believe in a christian's self-control. I would also call that pride.
And I am talking about Rome and not about the First Church of Springfield because I am also guilty of pride and sincrely believe that whem Rome falls, all the rest will follow. All the semi-serious at least. So, coupling sex and religion is blasphemous to the farisees here too but, do you know what I think? Fuck the farisees.
Mixing sex and religion? Please! SEX IS A BLESSING! Take a look at Gen. 1, 22. I don't know what will your translation say but the proper one is this "God blessed them BY SAYING: be fertile and multiply (...)" Until I studied this particular verse and came to its real meaning (many translation say "blessed them and said") i found it revealing that the first thing God blessed was sex, but now I realize sex is the first blessing God bestows on its creation. HAH! It's not life, life was already there: there were plants but they were not blessed. HAH, HAH, HAH! And that is GENESIS 1, I haven't had to go a lot into it, huh? (As a matter of fact I have loads of biblical stuff to hold my ground about sex against anyone, I love it against mormons and Jehova's witnesses)
Well, this has taken long enough and I have also Squire to comment... I'll leave my duplica (replica to a replica) for a little later.
I really should start the FFFFF one of these days) |
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