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To Shade (the most clueless post ever written)(Score: 5)
by Arthegarn on Jul 20, 2003 - 04:20 AM | I see your point but there is something about the nature of faith that has too much to do with blindly following a leader as t be dismissed that easily.
If I get your meaning you are saying that educated followers of a religion have made a conscious choice and that it is by that choice that they believe what they believe. Yes and no. I didn’t make a choice to believe in God. I just do. To Catholics faith is a gift, something that descends from Heaven and that is offered to all of us just like life is another gift. You do not “choose” to have faith, you have it. What you can do is choosing not to have it, to me it is lack of faith and disbelief what requires a previous conscious choice. It’s hard to explain but it’s as if I thought that the natural state of human beings is faith, and not disbelief. The Universe is all made up so we can naturally derive the existence of a creator, it is the natural instinct, the First Immobile Motor, the Cause of all Causes.... I think it’s taken mankind 10,000 years to get to be so arrogant as to disbelieve its own creator, to tergiversate the nature of existence so much as to be able to satisfy their own Pride by saying there is nothing inherently superior to mankind, nothing to follow and give thanks to; 10,000 years to get rid of a focal point in human morality that says that you owe it to God to act a certain way, and by disbelieving God’s existence thus reach the ultimate moral freedom to do what they want. Some people say it’s brave to accept there is no God and existence ends with Death, I say it’s far easier to live with that delusion if it brings in hand that no one is going to ask you about what did you do with your life when you die, and thus you can abuse it all you want.
But back to the story, my point is I didn’t make any conscious decision as to have faith or not. I took several conscious decisions as to the, let’s say, external manifestation of that faith, of the specific issues I believed in, comparatively small things that guide me through everyday life. But the fact is I blindly believe in God and that I just can’t conceive existence, my life, without God. And the question is: is it really the way I have said before as it just that it is much easier to me to define myself as one who believes and so not question not really the existence of God? I have an experience of God, but is that real or just an hypnotic-induced half-dream slave sub-space?
What I mean is I never considered my slave condition, if it is such. I’m a lawyer by vocation and I like to play the devil’s advocate with me (I also find it’s the only way to grow): a slave I was and a slave I will be because that’s what I want to be, because I find it natural to have a Master.
As for other issues... Well, let’s say I tend to look at the Bible with a little more knowledge and much less interest in making it a tool of mass control than your average preacher seems to do (NOTE: I am just recently getting winds of how “Xians” are in the US, they didn’t understand a word of it). There are symbols, there are legends and tales and metaphors. It’s not to be read as a history book because it is not that and because the Jew didn’t write it like that. God is not a God of millions, God is God. The church is the one of millions, be it my One, Saint, Catholic, Apostolic, Roman church or the First Church of Springfield. Churches is made out of men and women with good or evil intention, saint and sinner.
And I don’t agree with the statement that Good can only exit with Evil. Good just happens, it’s like positive and negative numbers. One, two, three, these are all there, they just happen. But minus one, minus two... these are products of our genius, they need of positive numbers plus the intervention of our minds to imagine them. Good is as beauty, it is what happens when there is no evil. Don’t let anyone tell you evil is what happens outside sanctity because it’s not true, sanctity needs of evil to happen because it’s about resisting temptation, and temptation only comes from a guilty conscience. Good is the natural state, the state in which Adam and Eve were before the apple, living in literal communion with God who liked to have a walk around in the afternoon (sic). It is when they eat the fruit of the tree of the Science of Good and Evil, meaning of the knowledge of the concepts of good and evil, that they lose that grace because they think they are better than God.
I know I am overenthusiastic and most likely boring someone to Death but consider this: When Adam and Eve eat the fruit they realise they are naked and hide from God. And they hide from God because they think they are doing something wrong, something God never said was wrong. It is Adam and Eve who just think they are better than God, that they should follow a series of rules stricter and stronger than the ones laid out by God who actually never laid a single one and never complained in their nudity. It is man, who hides from God because he self-imposes a guilty conscience who loses Paradise.
Well, I lost a little my track... I meant God is God. If you look for God you’ll find it two steps behind you, and if you don’t look for God that’s your choice and your loss. The problem comes when someone tells someone else what does God want. That’s the beginning of hierarchies, and the beginning of the loss of real communion. I don’t need a bridge (Pontifex from pons, bridge in Latin) to cross any gap between me and God. That God of millions is the God of all Hierarchies, and thus the God of no one in particular.
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