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Re: Temptations
by callei on Dec 23, 2002 - 10:49 AM
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i used the idea of cross dressing and playing with bags of rice as those are done by fewer people than rape and murder of the body, mind, or soul, not because they are harmless. Funny huh?
And I agree with you that the social contract does far more harm that most individual free-will. BUT what is the root of the social contract? what does it do and why do we have one? To tell us how to act. The social contract in an of itself is not 'evil' just as an tidal wave isnt 'evil'. it is just a thing. But when people use this thing as a replacement for thier own will and thought, it becomes a loaded Saturday Night Special, prone to hurt the people at either end.
The social contract (developed in large part by meglomaniacs, messiahs, and people used to thinking of others as furnature) is in many cases what drives people to poison water supplies, start wars, or on a smaller level, beat thier children and rape thier prom date. The limits it places on ones choices, the distance that it places between people, and the roles that are asigned to others to complete the social contract are the vary reasons that there are cliques in highschool, bell tower shootings, and the pervasive fear of satanist (to use american examples).
The social contract was not designed by people, but rather set up by a few people (the ones with the money and the power), tacitly agreed with by the people (those that want the money and the power), and ignored or side stepped by those that want to be happy.
I fail to see the difference in 'leading' people by messianic word and messianic action. In either case you are buying into the idea that people cant think for themselves rather than that they are socially trained not to think for themselves.
And Jesus gave in to that tempation, he allowed and promoted the development of a religion that told people what to think, what to do, who to love, who to fear, what to eat, what to drink, where and how to live, and how to treat thier loved ones. But i wasnt really thinking of him, i was thinking more of Hitler and Stalin and thier attempts to make the world a better place.
In fact the only changer of the social contract that i can think of that dont fit this model are Siddartha and Ghandi, both of whom refused followers, the roles and privilages of leadership, changed the world more by example than by the time honored way of rewriting the social contract. Both held the idea that real compassion is to let people live thier own lives and not to try to change others. both forced those that wanted to follow them (ie give up thier free will) to think for themselves.
Perhaps the real question here is what would have to happen to make more people use the free will that they have?
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Re: Temptations
by callei on Dec 23, 2002 - 11:06 AM
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may i just say that to have you comment on my words is high praise?
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- Thank you by Monolycus on Dec 23, 2002 - 04:28 PM
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