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Re: Illusion of Justice
by Ironboots on Sep 20, 2002 - 08:24 AM
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Exactly, Monolycus. If they are trying to get our attention, perhaps we should listen. For I haven't heard any reasoning behind their actions besides 'They hate us'.
-Why- do they hate us? Sure, Israel is a thorn in the side of everybody, but I'm not sure that is -all- that is going on in their heads. And if they just plain don't like us, then perhaps we should communicate to correct that.
But I don't think that they would have an international organization to hurt Americans if they didn't have a good motive for it. And we should find that out.
Dropping bombs isn't going to make them love us.
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I agree and disagree,
by AloneSoul (AloneSoul@hurting.com)
on Sep 20, 2002 - 11:59 AM
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You’ve gotta know that days like 9/11 bring out the good and bad in us. Our love and hate. Our companions and anger. Our sympathy and vengeance. We are only human and cannot push those feelings out of our heads.
Those people came to this country, worked with their blood and sweat to get what they got.
When America was attacked, they were happy. They live in this country, worked in this country, began to raise a family in this country but when a tragedy like 9/11 came they were ecstatic
It's hard to grasp the concept why if someone hates this country, they would come here and try to live a "normal" life.
They could have expressed their thoughts in another manner, there are many ways for people to do that while being protected by local/national government agencies. If they were afraid of the reaction from the public then I don’t understand how they could be smiling (with the radio on) that day with people looking right at them.
I agree, there is NO justice. It is a illusion. Money buys it and it is controlled by corrupt men.
I still agree with military action. Justice for the Taliban, (and all those terrorist organizations) in my eyes, is destroying those which threaten all people who have no reason to be attacked. It is for the safety of people. If we didn’t take action against them then who knows what would have happened in the future? How many more people would have died?
Bloodshed will never end as long as humans fail to express ourselves without weapons and try understanding. That will never happen. Even then, we always must carry arms for defense, not only for our nation but our planet.
Fighting for peace is like fucking for virginity, most of the time. Violence begets violence, yes, but sometimes violence is the answer when our lives are threatened by other men. Wars do solve some things and many times, they don’t. They bring more war, sometimes they stop that particular conflict with that country, forever it seems.
You’ve got to remember that it is in our nature to destroy ourselves.
Please know... If there is a draft and I am called to fight I, will drop my lifestyle and ship off. We cannot spit on the soldiers who lay down their lives in defense of ours.
I know politicians see this as a reason to take away our rights and invade the middle east for oil. They could have prevented 9/11 but didn't and I hope they too receive some kind of justice. I doubt it. This is why we, the public, need to take a stand and let the corrupt know that life is more than a number.
America is a imperialistic nation in ways but at the same time, our crusades for peace are sincere, we really do want to stop genocides in other countries, feed the hungry, spread a democracy in monarchism, but our thoughts and efforts go out in vain or give us the image of begin a imperialist nation...our corrupt politicians don’t help our appearance either, they gave us a terrible image. Our media gives off the impression that we are weakminded and gullible.
I am not a bigot, I do not wish any harm upon any people of a different faith, if we began that sort of national persecution with deportation, jailing and executing the innocent, we would be no better than the Nazis. Those terrorist idiots greatly wronged Muslims, Islam and the religion of peace and love. They see it as justification to kill.
Considering how we handled ourselves over the past year (for the most part), I say that we’ve done quite well. Yes, the incident in Florida does contradict my statement but those people were looking for trouble when saying (joking) they were going to take down or level Miami. This isn’t a time for jests on those scales. Also, those incidents aren’t a daily routine...I hope.
I am torn with you about good guys and bad guys. Unlike other animals, we can handle a greater level of complex thought. Our desires, our money, our corruption, our lust for p
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Re: Illusion of Justice
by Domkitten on Sep 23, 2002 - 08:45 AM
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Inside the foaming-at-the-mouth maddness that was a response to 9/11 it is nice to see a well reasoned and insightful opinion on the subject that is not inherently self contridictory.
If killing is wrong than all forms are wrong. There is not such a thing as a right and just slaughter. I think the mentality of many Americans and even our clever leader in cheif is "oh my god, behind that door is a big wide world full of people that are mean, destroy it!" That sort of uncontrolled xenophobia has us buring our own heads in the sand saying "they killed us first" when in reality America has never stopped hurting them without retaliation. Killing them is wrong, killing us is wrong. And eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.
Good Show M~
Yours,
Domkitten
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