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Re: UNBOWED Is Goth as FUCK!
by callei (plyn@plynlymon.com)
on Jul 28, 2001 - 10:35 AM
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Is christianity the only thing that you feel that you know well enough to use as a debate tool? It is problimatic as one since those you are debating with hold it in different regard. the parable that you think teaches joy, i may think teaches pain. I may not even be able to follow your arguements because they are based on "faith". Can you see that?
As far as sensoring yourself, that is a choice that you make for yourself. Your constant name dropping as caused me distress. It makes this one more place where I have a faith that I am uncomfortable with shoved in my face, used as a whip to play with my emotions, as an arguement in conversation, and an easy way to make an enemy.
I censor my comments for you. I use distress, instead of piss me off, I use other words than bible thumping doormat, pain mongers, hate preachers, daddy fixated fools, and all the other little phrases that come to mind. I have honestly tried to put aside my...... disgust of your faith to see you as a person. I have repeatedly ignored the bible babble that you post and say to myself "she is using the forst analogy that comes to mind she isnt trying to be a jerk".
my faith tells me to beware of those that say that pain is normal and right, that suffering is important to cleanse us.
have you told us anything happy? (other than passing the goth test) you told us when you lost your job, but not about a new one (unless i missed a post).
The point is that you are Christian. you behave that way, talk that way. You wallow in the bad, see the world as a good vs bad powerplay. you involve yourself in unhealthy relationships and expect us to cheer. ok to explain that one.... boyfriend bad, yet you want aprroval since you are doing the "right" thing and getting involved in a long term relationship. Why the boyfriend is bad is another rant all together...
I can pretend to be Christian well enough to see your points, to get (i think) most of what you post. I have practice at it.
You, i think, try to return that sensitivity when you remember. but its not just refraining from saying "God" or "Jesus" alot. i dont ask you to live to the same standards that I do. I coudnt live your way after all.
I dont ask "sensitivity" of you. In general I have found that Christians can't be that sensitive and I dont want to test that here.
I dont ask that you muzzle your faith. My issues are mine. You have no power over them.
I would ask that you try to see that some of us arent bashing you, and that you are being overly sensitive to the scattered "xian" remarks. That you restarted this "religion" and that because of what your religion is, the way that it plays out in your life, its makes you seems antagonistic and patronizing to others. And that we dont react to the inherent hate message that comes across very often. I pushed back a few days ago only becaue i was having a bad day and then to come on here and feel that it had been infected with the same disease really pissed me off.
this site has been nonreligious MOST of the time that i have been here, baring the billy episodes. and to have it suddenly be a bastion of "right thinking" christianity was jsut too much for me that day. I lashed back. Im not sorry. you invaded MY space with your views. If you dont like dealing with people that try not to see you as lesser for your faith, go back to the church and hide there. You have heard a version of this at your church, but they told you it was "right" to take your beleifs out there with you and LIVE them, to rub them in other people's faces. this is a major part of why the rest of the world hates xians. We get bored watching them wallow in it.
Out here in the rest of the world, they will think less of you because you are a girl (good xian beleif), have facial peircings, arent skinny enough, arent fat enough, because you dont belong to the right church, whatever.
I dont know why i still bother to "debate" the Christian thing. i'll leave of now.
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