Subject: In sortta response to the post, 'I suck'...
Sardonic-Pain
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posted on 24/7/2006 at 08:09 AM
labels are the worst, and unfortunately we can not escape them, it's the
way of things. i apologize for not getting your hot topic joke, so on and
so forth....like in the movie SLC Punk he says "In the end I was nothing
but a trendy ass poser." as well as something to the effect of you can do
more damage in the system than outside it, which both of those things i
feel are rather profound.
Anywho, I have no idea where I was planning on taking this, but I hope to
see you around more often.....
____________________ My Life is like a porno-Without the sex-Just the weird music
labels are a necessary part of the human existence
at the most basic we have the instinctual... human or animal (fuckabble -
not fuckable)
a little higher up... preference... Man - woman... and based on sexuality
from there a fuckable or unfuckable label there too... but also mother,
father... expectation
the human condition is firmly rooted in communications... adn without
labels ..FOR EVERYTHING... we have no way to communicate... car, dog,
turtle, lips, poser, goth, cynic...
Kirkegarde said "if you label me, you negate me." but honestly... the only
ones without a label are lost...
LAbel me and make my label memorable
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Hohenheim of Light~Full Metal Alchemist
gothicmorman
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posted on 31/7/2006 at 01:51 PM
First off Feral Teddy picture and the Search (in case you like any of the other results better.
quote:labels are the worst, and
unfortunately we can not escape them, it's the way of things.
I'm pretty sure it isn't. North American culture at large is label-centric,
so it is the way of a lot of happenings these days but it doesn't have to
be. Labels are a bred part of culture as opposed to a natural part.
But I suppose it is partly what kind of labels we are speaking of. As Feral
pointed out without labels like cat and dog or man and woman it would be
difficult to communicate. Now as far as I am concerned things like man and
woman or animal and human are name type labels. The main point of
discussion here is stereotypical labels. The problem with stereotypic
labels being, of course, that they stereotype. A person can wear many
labels as far as personality and style go, and stereotypical labels are
really just labels to describe a group of name labels. One stereotypical
label forces the entire group of labels on a person which can't be correct
for pretty obvious reasons.
But back to the main point, being it's not really "the way it is" and it's
not actually that difficult to "escape it". Personally I don't believe in
simply laying down and accepting defeat, especially over something so
trivial as stereotypes. It's only "the way it is" as long as people keep it
that way. It's actually pretty easy to completely ignore the whole thing.
It's all a big joke really, and one day the label and stereotypes will
become so overused that they will cease to mean anything really at all.
Just look at the latest fad with "Emo" I don't think I know two people who
can agree on what this word actually means, aside from the very few that
know its a genre of punk music kind of like crust but with slightly more
emotional lyrics.
The Ultimate solution to the whole thing being to speak softly and carry a
beagle.
Or just ignore and carry on your merry way. Because while everyone else is
running around worrying about labels and how they look to other people, you
will actually use less muscles dressing in things that you find
comfortable, and shrugging when they ask what you "are" than you will
worrying about it or trying to fit the square block through the circle
hole.
Sardonic-Pain
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posted on 31/7/2006 at 06:53 PM
I agree to a degree.... I personally don't lable myself as anything or at
least try not to...I'm simply me. What I guess I was getting at is no
matter how hard I try to be "me" upon first glance, someone is gonna lable
me as a "freak","Goth","punk" whatever- and there really is no way to
escape that...As humans we label, stuff, some more than others.
Everyone has a different perspective on the meaning of said labels as
well.... it is a viscious cycle- I do however get your point.
____________________ My Life is like a porno-Without the sex-Just the weird music
but you are labeled... you are a daughter, possibly a sister... human,
female, sentient and a mamal... you are intelligent and questing, and you
are a thinker... you have labels...
____________________ The earth turns on a tilted axis - just doing the best it can.
Hohenheim of Light~Full Metal Alchemist
gothicmorman
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posted on 31/7/2006 at 10:57 PM
Sardonic-Pain - I think you have to specify which type of label you mean,
for poor FeralBear's sake.
True, you can't stop other people from stereotyping you in their minds, but
you don't have to care. What does it really matter if they stereotype you
in their minds? Hell, what does it really matter if they stereotype you out
loud? What I find most viscious is what people do to themselves over it.
It's pretty easy for someone to be themselves, it's one of those "the
harder you try the more you fail" kind of things. You are you no matter
what they want to think first glance, what does it matter? If they are
going to be prejeduced against some stereotype of you that they made up by
looking at you once, they probably arn't the kind of people that would be
great to hang around with anyway. *shrug*
What does it really matter all in all? nuttin.
Schizo
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posted on 1/8/2006 at 02:17 AM
If Feral is a bear, then I doubt he is one of the teddy variety.
Labels are humanity's way of sorting out the world. Intelligent, thinking
people know that their fellow humans rarely fit a label neatly, and thus
hold the label lightly, and use it only to use past experience to predict
the behavior of a person recently met. I.e., a goth is likely to act a
certain way, a punk another way, and adult one way, a child, a customer, a
redneck, a firefighter - we all use this method to help sort through the
barrage of new information life throws at us every moment.
An intelligent person will continue to refine his labels as more
information on the subject pours in. He is flexible enough to allow for
this, until the subject reaches the designation of "known", when it begins
to be merely thought of as "Rob", "Amanda", "Michael", or what have you.
During this process, he may be surprised to note that the subject does not
fulfill the stereotype of its label, such as discovering a goth laughing at
a good joke, but Mr. Intelligent is not thrown by this, and in fact is
often much more intrigued by such a person than one that fulfills the norm
of its label.
However, the ignorant and mentally lazy will always become uptight when
confronted with people who do not fit neatly within a convenient label,
because this forces them to think. And thinking is hard.
But why worry about them? Let them get their panties in a wad over the
fact that you've mentally challenged them. Unless they're carrying billy
clubs, then they are the ones that are losing out by rejecting all but the
perfectly conforming. And yes, the intellectually agile may be few and far
between, but that makes finding them just that much more stimulating.
Dolorosa
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posted on 6/8/2006 at 06:59 AM
Otherfuckers.
I am so stealing that word...it's got so very many applicable uses, holy
crap.
____________________ In the valley of the Goats, the Goat Fucker is King
all I have to ask is this... why do people assume I wear a mask? why do
people assume that I am speking metaphorically or as a figure of speech
when I say I believe in sterilization of stupid people?
why are people scared of others who pose no threat, but when it comes to
me..when I tell them honestly I am a sociopath...they rebell against the
idea and refuse tob elieve what I know to be truth
____________________ The earth turns on a tilted axis - just doing the best it can.
Hohenheim of Light~Full Metal Alchemist
Dolorosa
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posted on 8/8/2006 at 06:28 AM
I guess perhaps everyone is just reinforcing their comfortable little
realities? Or worse yet...they're busting a commandment of somesuch and
casting you in the image of what they believe you should be. Regardless,
truth is anathemic to well being and mental stability. I mean this in
regards to Truth and not Fact, fact can usually be taken pretty
well...truth is a different monster all together, mebbe it's just a
protective reflex.
I get something like this occasionally myself, and can only state that its
frustrating as hell.
____________________ In the valley of the Goats, the Goat Fucker is King
Anotherlostdog
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posted on 27/8/2006 at 09:56 PM
I deffinitely agree with your views on truth, i personally have spent the
last year attempting to refine my own label to simply know myself, and i
must admit that along the way i have come to face truths about myself that
in the past i have adamantly denied. reality can be completely changed by
ones perception of what is around him or her, but the concept and imminent
presence of truth is not altered in anyway or form, only accepted or
ignored. And that is where i think some begin to use defences, when they
run away from truth, to alter their perception of reality and thus
subconciously change how they see someone.
Starlight
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posted on 28/8/2006 at 02:02 AM
Feral, I think it's probably some sort of reinforcing of their own comfort
zones. I've never really taken comments about sterilazation of the stupid
as anything other than gospel. The other possibility is that they envision
a teddy bear as a somewhat unstable, unpredictable force to reckoned with
while at the same time someone they want to cuddle up with at night.
____________________ "When choosing between two evils, I always like to try the one I've never
tried before." ~Mae West
Starlight
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posted on 28/8/2006 at 02:04 AM
Feral, I think it's probably some sort of reinforcement of their own
comfort zones. I've never really taken comments about sterilization of the
stupid as anything other than gospel. The other possibility is that they
envision a teddy bear as a somewhat unstable, unpredictable force to be
reckoned with while at the same time someone they want to cuddle up with at
night
____________________ "When choosing between two evils, I always like to try the one I've
never
tried before." ~Mae West