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Author: Subject: Anyone work in a factory?

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  posted on 6/3/2006 at 06:29 PM
I work in a very large, well known Cereal factory. They're on this big safety campaign probably because every time someone gets hurt, OSHA gives them hell. I got caught doing something considered a safety violation so they gave me a 4th step letter.

A forth step letter is what you get before you're fired. They skipped over the 1st, 2nd and 3rd step letters and went straingt for the jugular. Now everyone is in an uproar.
We take our Lock out/Tag out padalocks and lock out the power source for EVERY little thing. Do you know how long it takes to power the equipment down and then restart?
AGES! They didn't put out any cases of product today. Ha,ha!

 

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  posted on 7/3/2006 at 02:58 AM
It's hard to read this and assume that you might not be an idiot, so I'm going to go with my gut and say you must be stupid. Since you don't mention the infraction that got you bumped up the ladder to nearly fired, I'm going to have to guess at what it might be....

Cost someone an eye? leg, finger?
Smoking near gasoline tanks?
Using a torch as a light saber to reinact star wars?

Hmmmm...what kinda fun you must have been having. And while it is a damn shame, congradulations for managing to get almost fired, but unforuntately you don't win the prize of being completely jobless. If you had won that you could sit at home, on your ass, and not worried about pesky little things like rules to prevent people from loosing a finger or two.

Shutting down the works, man, that is brilliant. I'm sure if it doesn't get you out of a job, there is probably some poor, low on the totem, employee with two kids, a balloon payment coming up, and sick relative who will enjoy being underpaid thanks to your brilliant plan.

Wait, no, heres a thought, try being less of a self centered prick and thinking about the health and well being of others. Maybe that will make you respect the saftey precautions and the need for employment a bit more.

But fuck it, I think not.

 

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  posted on 7/3/2006 at 03:13 AM
I've worked in factories for years. They're all the same. I know about the lockout procedures too - they're the same everywhere. Makes sense, of course. If they didn't have procedures like that in place, then bosses with pressure to make deadlines would transfer that pressure onto the workers, and direct them to cut corners in a possibly dangerous fashion. With a lockout procedure, supervisors' hands are tied, and pressuring an employee to do something dangerous is out of the question.

As for employees circumventing the safety guidelines - factories have no choice but to crack down hard. When employees get injured, then you open up a whole can of worms with paperwork, possible investigations, possible lawsuits, even the possibility of being shut down if OSHA thinks they aren't safety conscious enough. No one employee's job is ever worth all that hassle - if they think you're someone who is just going to disregard the safety guidelines, then they won't want you.

Honestly, with the attitude you showed over your own choice to break a rule, and then the attitude over the discipline, it's no wonder they came down heavy. Maybe they think you're someone who just doesn't care, and might be looking for a reason to get rid of you? Maybe make a lesson of you too?

Although I agree - factory work sucks, and the bullshit is thick enough to cut with a knife. I'm personally doing what I can to break free from my own private hellhole. But if you want to leave on your terms, you need to learn to operate on their terms while you are there. Make them miss you when you are gone, instead of being the ones to boot you out.

That's why my boss will spend a good week buttering up to me once she sees she's pissed me off. I've made myself pretty indespensable - there are perks to that.

 

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  posted on 7/3/2006 at 09:21 AM
safety rules are there so you don't a) get maimed... or b) get killed... I am against them personally...let natural selection weed people out

 

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  posted on 7/3/2006 at 02:40 PM
Safety rules are good for things that are not obviously dangerous - like labeling dangerous substances, or marking areas of particular danger so people can be aware. It's courteous and sensible. However, like many things that have become government regulated, it has been stretched to a ridiculous proportion. It gives people an excuse for turning off their common sense. And unfortunately, there are lawyers who love to be the best friend of stupid people and the worst enemy of companies who fail to place a warning label on absolutely anything that could by any stretch of the imagination be a hazard to anyone.

I will be the first to admit that I occasionally cut the corners on the more idiotic of the safety regulations at my factory, but I do it with the knowledge that if I get caught, I may get in trouble. That's the risk I take (much greater than the risk of bodily harm when I do this), and I don't whine when I get caught. I certainly don't try to "get back" at the factory. That would be shooting myself in the foot, unless of course I want to lose my job or not get raises, in which case I would be better off just quitting.

 

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  posted on 7/3/2006 at 03:20 PM
I'm not sure why I was so angry with Captin Annoying, but I think it was just the sheer disregard for everyone else because of some idiotic act on its part.

However, upon further reflection, I feel that feral, and the darwin awards, have an excellent point.

 

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  posted on 7/3/2006 at 06:38 PM
Hey listen up dumbkitten- It has ALWAYS been standard operating proceedure in the place I work for the company to wait until someone gets hurt and then fix the problem. When OSHA starting cracking down on the company, the company started cracking down on us. We have pointed out problems, placed work orders, informed supervision and the safety committee and still things don't get fixed until someone gets hurt. A few years ago a man was told to clean out a cereal auger with a putty knife. This auger could be started from the floor below at any time AND THE COMPANY KNEW IT FOR YEARS but they waited until a guy got his arm torn off before fixing the problem. This is typical.

The machinery I work with, I've worked with for 30 years. I can tell what's wrong with it by the way it sounds or the way the floor vibrates. I knew what I was doing but some hot shot noob supervisor panicked and cried to the big boss who gave me disciplinary action for something that has been standard practice for years and if there WAS danger, it was only to me- nobody else.

The company didn't care about anyones safety for years because people are expendable. All they care about is how many cases go out the door. Do you think they care if there's blood on them. HA! They didn't get serious about safety until last year. It's too late for most of us who have been injured. All they did was make an example of me to scare everyone else because even after I told all my co-workers that I just got a 4th step letter for a safety violation, some of them smirked and continued to bypass the safety precautions and stick their hands in running machinery. I have never been injured in the machinery. My injurys came from outside the machinery like lifting boxes that were too heavy, repetitive forward bending, reaching too high, slippery floors, no PPE.

I have a clean work record and no one has been injured because of me.

 

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  posted on 7/3/2006 at 06:47 PM
Hey listen up dumbkitten- It has ALWAYS been standard operating proceedure in the place I work for the company to wait until someone gets hurt and then fix the problem. When OSHA starting cracking down on the company, the company started cracking down on us. We have pointed out problems, placed work orders, informed supervision and the safety committee and still things don't get fixed until someone gets hurt. A few years ago a man was told to clean out a cereal auger with a putty knife. This auger could be started from the floor below at any time AND THE COMPANY KNEW IT FOR YEARS but they waited until a guy got his arm torn off before fixing the problem. This is typical.


The machinery I work with, I've worked with for 30 years. I can tell what's wrong with it by the way it sounds or the way the floor vibrates. I knew what I was doing but some hot shot noob supervisor panicked and cried to the big boss who gave me disciplinary action for something that has been standard practice for years and if there WAS danger, it was only to me- nobody else.

The company didn't care about anyones safety for years because people are expendable. All they care about is how many cases go out the door. Do you think they care if there's blood on them. HA! They didn't get serious about safety until last year. It's too late for most of us who have been injured. All they did was make an example of me to scare everyone else because even after I told all my co-workers that I just got a 4th step letter for a safety violation, some of them smirked and continued to bypass the safety precautions and stick their hands in running machinery. I have never been injured in the machinery. My injurys came from outside the machinery like lifting boxes that were too heavy, repetitive forward bending, reaching too high, slippery floors, no PPE.

I have a clean work record and no one has been injured because of me.


I forgot to add that I was in a hurry because the company rushes us to get started all the time. Not to mention that they eliminated a job to save a buck and dumped the extra work load on the people who remained. We are all in a constant state of aggitation to the point that sometimes we can't concentrate on what we are doing.

Oh- we asked supervision why the machinists didn't have to Lock out the equipment when they were trying to fix it. They said the the crafts people were in a league of their own and can't fix it when it's locked out and know what they are doing. Guess what? An Electrican got all his fingers chopped off last week because he didn't shut the machinery off and lock it out first. That's why I got disciplinary action, to make an example of me. Also, 4 crafts people were also given 4th step letters for riding up the manlift and not holding onto the handle with both hands. I guess I'm not the only idiot. The company is nit picking now.

And another thing, years ago a woman got hurt at work and broke her leg. The company didn't want her sitting on her ass at home so they kept her working, cast and all doing.... something. After work as she was hobbling to her car on her crutches, and it was winter and there was ice in the parking lot, she slipped again and this time broke her hip.

I am not ungrateful for my job. I'm all I have to take care of me. I don't have a spouse bringing in a 2nd income like so many. Mommy and daddy are dead and can't back me.

Regards-Capn Annoying

[Edited on 8/3/2006 by CaptainCreepy]

[Edited on 8/3/2006 by CaptainCreepy]

 

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  posted on 7/3/2006 at 11:52 PM
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The machinery I work with, I've worked with for 30 years. I can tell what's wrong with it by the way it sounds or the way the floor vibrates. I knew what I was doing but some hot shot noob supervisor panicked and cried to the big boss who gave me disciplinary action for something that has been standard practice for years and if there WAS danger, it was only to me- nobody else.


Lets focus here on what actually addresses the issue that I was raising So, you did something you werent supposed to do, you knew it, and then when you got called on it you were disciplined. Does that sound about right? I believe that covers the pertinent parts of your original posting.

In retaliation for being informed of your error in a jugular grabbing way, the machinery was shut down. Lets all celebrate and do a little dance.

Now, you come here, feeling all good and full of yourself and tell everyone about how you not only skirted the system, but then, for good measure, stuck it to the man. I suppose everyone present should have immediately responded with a pat on the back, a kudos, good for you, one for the underdog, etc. etc

Sorry that the reality turned out to be less then you dreamed. Frankly, you did something stupid, got busted, and did something equally stupid to make yourself feel better about it.

What Ive enjoyed in all of your ranting, though, is the way that you avoid responsibility.

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They're on this big safety campaign


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OSHA gives them hell.


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they gave me a 4th step letter.


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some hot shot noob supervisor panicked and cried to the big boss who gave me disciplinary action


Like it or not, Capin you did something wrong. You got what you earned through the actions you chose to take. Id say the retaliatory actions are equally childish and immature ways of self aggrandizement.

Now, while the second part of your rant is certainly interesting, entertaining and informative, it does not move me to your purpose of hating the big faceless entity and thereby seeing how right you were to do something stupid and get busted for it. Sorry, but your still wrong. You still got caught. And, frankly, I still think you are whining about it here in the hopes that we will fall all over you like some sort of factory cult hero ala Tyler Durden.

If so, you've come to the wrong place. Last time I checked, Shmeng is not a goth site.

 

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  posted on 8/3/2006 at 03:27 AM
I hate the big faceless entity, because I work for one.

Which makes me wonder - since you have worked for this faceless entity for 30 years, why expect them to act like anything else?

I understand that you have been running these machines for years, that you know every detail of them, that you know what is safe and what is not, and where the new rules make sense and where they don't.

The danger of doing what you did was not so much a physical danger as a political one. You just don't mess with the "safety procedures" in a factory that has just been targeted by OSHA. I have no doubt that you would not lose an arm or an eye, but it is a quick and easy way to lose a job.

Honestly, the best thing to do is to ride out the storm. Everything is going to be in a frenzy for a while until your factory gets back on OSHAs good side. Then things will mellow out, and the company will stop worrying about how many hands people are holding onto the lifts with.

Unfortunately, breaking the rules, even the dumb ones, brings consequences. And breaking safety rules when OSHA is on your case is a quick way to be made an example. And shutting down the machines is just making the water you're in even hotter.

So I agree with you, the factory you're working in is not in the right, but your actions were still ill-advised, and you brought your consequences on yourself, so it is hard for me to feel too sorry for you in this case.

But you still have my sympathy, because I know how stupid, hypocritical, and just plain wrong factory management can be.

 

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  posted on 8/3/2006 at 10:12 AM
dumbkitten? LMAO...

well... after reading your response... I have to say... you knew the rules, and you fucked up and off... they should have fired your ass on the spot because a) osha has regulations to keep retarded motherfuckers fomr losing limbs... and b) you fuck up, you sue them because you are too dumb to be safe and loose part of your body...

don't yell at us for being unsympathetic to late onset mental retardation...

I think I prefered the Hawt topics posting poetry

 

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  posted on 8/3/2006 at 06:22 PM
Spoken like true brown nosers. I forgot to tell you about the guy who came to work drunk. He came in early, on overtime, drunk. He was so drunk he couldn't do the job so they let him sleep it off. Not only was this a serious safety hazard and it was breaking the companys rules about no drinking but he broke the law and yet they did nothing to him. While he was sleeping it off they called someone else in to cover him. He not only endangered himself, he endangered everyone he came in contact with. I guess it just depends who you are and who's dick your sucking.

Adieu ASSHOLES!


 

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  posted on 8/3/2006 at 08:45 PM
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late onset mental retardation

*just dies* Love that term, feral!

 

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  posted on 9/3/2006 at 03:46 AM
You hate the factory so much? Then quit. Get a different job. No? Then quit complaining.

Brown noser? Hardly. I'm just smart enough to know that, as good as I am at my job, I'm still just another bottom-rung employee who can be fired and replaced without a second thought. I know that I've got a snowball's chance in hell of changing the system from where I am. My family is depending on my income to survive - if I have to learn that discretion is the better part of valor for their sake, then I'll do it.

You think that the system sucks and it needs to be changed? Great - I agree with you. Then why don't you go out there and do something that is ACTUALLY going to change the system, instead of bucking the headwaters by petty insubordination and cheap revenge tactics? That's not going to change the system, just your employment status.

Incedentally, there's not an employee in my workplace who would think of accusing me of brown nosing. If anything, scuttlebutt says that our supervisor is a little more scared of me than I am of her. I work hard but I don't accept bull, even from her - but without ever shooting myself in the foot over it, like so many do when they're pissed at her and her policies.

There's a difference between brown nosing and being realistic. If you can come up with a strategy that will WORK to correct the problems in your workplace, then you will have my respect.

 

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  posted on 9/3/2006 at 03:54 AM
I like how he spells assholes in capitol letters, so we know he means it.

 

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  posted on 9/3/2006 at 05:27 PM
hmm, seems that this topic is like voting - if you don't vote when you have the capacity to do so, then you can't really complain about the government.
If you do something retarded knowing it is retarded, then you can't really complain about being called a retard.

 

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  posted on 10/3/2006 at 03:27 AM
You have to understand, though, people - what he did was probably NOT dangerous for HIM. As he said, he worked with these machines for 30 years without a safety incedent. When you've been doing that, you KNOW exactly what is hazardous and what is not.

But when a company has OSHA on its tail, they have to dumb things down. They don't allow for experts. If your average idiot with no experience or knowledge could possibly get injured doing something, then they outlaw it. Then the people who DO know better have to abide by the rules for the people who DON'T know better. It's extremely frustrating, especially when you have a supervisor on YOUR tail because he wants that product out yesterday, and doesn't want to understand that fixing your machine according to the new procedures is going to be time consuming.

That is why I can understand and sympathize with his frustration. A couple of years down the road, probably no one would care if he used his expertise to fix the machine the way he knows best. But right now, with "safety" being a hot topic, any infraction of even the most over-zealous of rules is just asking for trouble. Of course, this is all the more frustrating because he knows that the company really doesn't care about the employees - just keeping OSHA off their backs.

The thing that gets me about it is that he thinks he is getting back at the company, when all he is doing is hurting himself. The complete lack of discretion that he uses is what astounds me. In a situation like that, you need to remember that the company is bigger than you, and it will stomp you into oblivion without even thinking about it. If your work environment is really that terrible, you are better off giving notice - then at least you will have a job reference to get new employment, even though starting over new at a different place will result in a pay cut, loss of benefits for a period of time, and having to start all over again as far as vacation time or anything else that comes with seniority at a factory position. But hey, you 'd lose all that anyway just getting fired, only with that black mark against you when you try to get hired elsewhere.

Really, he's stuck between a rock and a hard place. All that hypocrisy can be really tough for an experienced worker to swallow. I wish him well, and hope that he doesn't screw himself over further in dealing with the big, faceless entity.

 

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  posted on 10/3/2006 at 05:27 AM
Thank you for that Schiz. I have to say, I sympathize too. I actually sympathize with both of you. I don't know how anyone could do that kind of work day in and day out, and I know you've been at it for years and years. My hat is really and truly off to you.

I also understand how annoying OSHA can be. When I was teaching in the states I could easily get a mark in my file if I did something like try to clean up a bloody nose. Any and all bodily fluids had to be handled by the janitor who was trained to deal with biohazards, great fun when your working with young kids, and of course, most of use ignored it and wiped up the blood anyway, at our own peril.

I understand the frustration for working in a factory. I think there is a lot there to be frustrated with, aside from long hours, low wages, lack of respect, inability for serious career advancement, and soul crushing tedium. I can understand why someone would want to buck that system as well. Oddly, I thought the writing in his second piece was actually fairly put together and could prove to be interesting, but the arrogance of the original posting put me off, causing my initial response.

And for the record, I have done some factory work. I hated every single day of it to boot. I worked in a fruit factory, packing tomatoes. And for the record, I was the best tomato packer they ever had.

 

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  posted on 10/3/2006 at 07:19 AM
Weird, a friend of mine works with a guy whose nickname is Captain Creepy, which he was dubbed for his uncanny talent at singlehandedly clearing any room he enters whether yoo know him or not. He is aparently mildly retarded and famed for quotes such as "it's not gay if yor wearing a mask."

I wonder if this is the same guy, he fits all the criteria. Works in a factory, annoying, mentally impaired. Hey Cap'n, where do yoo live?

 

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  posted on 10/3/2006 at 01:34 PM
Either way there has got to be at LEAST one better way to go about "bucking" the system than purposly putting ones job on the line. If he dislikes the system so much and doesn't care if he gets fired then why not quit?

I would think it would make far more sense to abide by the rules even if they are over zelous and complain about the system or even talk to higher up people about the flaws of the system than to rebel against the system get slapped for it then complain about getting slapped. It's obvious enough that if one rebels against a higher power the higher power is going to go "Crush".
True that rebellion works sometimes but other times it is better to wave a white flag.

Maybe CaptainCreepy is stuck between a rock and a hard place but thats not a green light to be a moron about it.

 
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