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Author: Subject: red neckmen with tits throwing insults

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  posted on 11/9/2005 at 04:48 PM
This is a stupid topic so be warned. This a superficial one but I am posting it anyway because it happened to me today and it made me think. I am 33 years old. I still play the subculture game but I have toned my look way down. I was out with my daughters and these red necks, yes they were true blue red necks,I live in alabama because my husband is stationed here, came out of this restaurant just freaking out over my appearance. I looked over at the guy after I got my kids out of the car and the guy was eyeing me down like he wanted to start some shit with me. I am a 33 year old mom with 3 little girls standing here, ok. This guy looked at me like he hated my guts. I know ridicule goes with looking like a freak but things change when you are older and you have kids. You don't want somebody coming up to you and starting shit and possibly scaring your children. That is what I was worried about. The only reason I eyed the guy down that was staring at me is I was making sure he got in the car and left. I didn't want my girls to be scared by anyone. The thing is They were just a bunch of ignorant bastards but my daughters are very sensitive and if someone started yelling and screaming things at me I know it would scare them. So I could understand this If I was in highschool. None of us were. These people were adults too. It really pisses me off that people can't act like they have some home training. Especially when there are little kids around. I am just glad that one guy didn't start saying something else. I really thought he was going to.


[ I just wanted to add something here. I don't think I made my intent very clear when I started this forum and that is where I went wrong because so far there have been insults thrown my way which is the way of Shmeng where a subject such as this is concerned. Bear with me and please try to see what I mean. I am talking about what ifs here. I know that had this situation escalated that my kids would have been scared. They would have been scared just because a complete stranger said something nasty to their mommy. Don't come up with maybe you should give up the look altogether nonsense. I know you guys are more creative than that. I would like to know if other parents have had similar run ins. Maybe run ins that have escalated. This is just something that made me curious. The story I told above is just what got me to thinking about this whole thing. I am not necessarily that concerned with the incident itself. I am more concerned with the what ifs like I mentioned before. This has nothing to do with me being perturbed because two morons chuckled at me, big deal. This is really about freaks with kids.]

[Edited on 13/9/2005 by ariadne]

 

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  posted on 12/9/2005 at 12:53 PM
what did they actually say to you? at first it seemed like they just wanted to and did not say anything but then you said that you were glad they didn't say anything else.
maybe if you have children you should give up "the look" alltogether.

 

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  posted on 12/9/2005 at 03:24 PM
It wasn't that they said anything to me in this case which was fine. They were talking to eachother which is fine because what they say to eachother doesn't hurt my feelings one bit. The only thing that bothered me really was one of the guys hesitated to get into the car as they were leaving and the only reason I was looking in their direction at all was because I have kids and I was just being aware of my surroundings. He was staring at me as if he were about to say something directly to me but decided against it thankfully because of my kids. As far as giving up the "look" altogether, as I stated above I have really toned down my look because I am a mother and do not go out clubbing anymore. What I am trying to say here is that even being and individiual in itself can get some people riled up. My whole thing here is really wondering if other parents here on Shmeng have had similar situations and such. I definitely do not think I should change who I am as a person over a few idiots.

 

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  posted on 13/9/2005 at 11:52 AM
So, lemme get this straight. Two redneck guys were talking about you to each other and you overheard them. One was getting into his car and hesitated, which you interpreted as some kind of threat. You were looking at him, and he "stared you down" with some kind of nasty look. Then you both left without saying anything to each other?

Call me crazy, but this is the kind of thing I would expect a 13 year old who just wore his first fishnet shirt out in public to post. What? Rednecks making fun of someone different? Call Ripley's!

Toned down or not, if you look like a freak people will react to you like one. Right or wrong, that's part of the sacrifice you make to look however you want to look. The whole "OMG those men could have totally scared my kids" angle is stretching it in my mind. If you're really that worried about other people freaking your kids out, then maybe you should tone it ALL the way down.

 

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  posted on 13/9/2005 at 02:49 PM
Kira, Of course it appears as you say, but let me set the record straight. When I first posted this I said this was a stupid topic so be warned. I said the experience got me to thinking about some things. I wasn't necessarily that worried about these guys. I was more or less thinking about the what if scenarios if you will. I only brought this up to see if by chance if other Shmeng parents have ever had run ins with people that did escalate. I didn't post this as some childish rant about somebody hurting my feelings because they laughed at me because since I have been a freak since the age of 13, they did not. I was just trying to see things from another perspective for a minute. This is not some teenage rant about rednecks and such. This is about how what we do may affect our kids. It was out of sheer curiousity that I bought it up to begin with. I don't necessarily think that personal attacks against me is really exploring what I am truly getting at here. Telling me that I should tone it all the way down and such is just throwing insults my way when you don't even have a clue as to who the hell I am. So why not step back a minute and try to take a deep breath and try to see what I was trying to open the forum for. I wanted to know if anybody here had kids and ever had issues where things did indeed escalated where their kids were frightened. I wanted to talk about this matter. Hopefully now I have simplified the matter for you and there will be no further misunderstandings and you can go and insult some teenager some where who is just angry at the preps at school. The fact that these guys were rednecks is insignificant. It could have been anybody. The guy behaved in a threatening manner. It looked though that he was going to say something to me but thought the better of it because of my kids maybe, I don't know. In either case, I got to thinking about what would I do if he had started shit with me and scared my kids. Do you get it now?

 

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  posted on 13/9/2005 at 06:57 PM
I certainly did not mean to insult, and I have read my post a few times and can't find anywhere where I personally attacked you. If I were going to insult you, you would know.

That said, perhaps the topic sentence of your original post should have been something like, "have any parents here experienced an uncomfortable situation due to their physical appearance in front of their kids." I don't think you said anything like that in there before you edited it. Hey, sorry if toning it down is an obvious solution. I don't have kids, don't plan on having kids, and so I will most likely never have to worry about this situation. In fact, I'm sorry I bothered to post at all. Best of luck in finding something that works out for you.

Sheesh. Now I remember why I don't read the forums anymore.

 

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  posted on 13/9/2005 at 06:58 PM
D'oh. I swear I logged in. Or maybe not.

 

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  posted on 13/9/2005 at 07:26 PM
"Call me crazy, but this is the kind of thing I would expect a 13 year old who just wore his first fishnet shirt out in public to post. What? Rednecks making fun of someone different? Call Ripley's!"

I know I have editted it since then but before I did mention that this was kind of stupid and superficial but I was going to post it anyway. I did say the incident made me think and that I was thinking about the possibility of things that could have happened and scaring my kids. I was insulted by your statement above because I don't think this forum comes even close to such as that. I wasn't even moved by a couple of morons chuckling at me, more power to them. I was thinking of an incident where things did go wrong. A situation where I might meet up with the wrong people, do you follow. It doesn't necessarily have to be about what I am wearing. It just has to be me alone with my kids period. I am not one to keep my mouth shut. That is probably why I should worry. A guy almost hit my kids in a parking lot one time because he was speeding. I literally had to move my 3 girls out of his way. I was furious and I CONFRONTED HIM. I couldn't not confront him. This even scared my girls. It was my fault that my girls were scared but he was speeding and if I had not paid attention he would have hit my girls. So regardless of the consequences I got in his face about that. I am sure if someone said something to me and my girls got scared I would probably open my mouth again. That is why I brought this up at all . I was wondering how many other parents on here were like me and how far they would go if someone did scare their kids by saying f'd up shit to them.

 

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  posted on 14/9/2005 at 05:50 PM
I'm not red neck, but I'm white trash.

And I'm.. hmm.. not goth0rz, but.. I'm.. I'm a Michelle. And thats a pretty neat combination.

I always enjoy when people do the "ooohhh, you're scurrrryyy" look and gab about me. If I was going to let it bother me, I wouldn't dress the way I do.. so I usually play it up and do some weird foaming hiss.

I suggest that in future instances. Kids or not. Foaming hisses work.

 

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  posted on 23/9/2005 at 05:06 PM
or if somebody ever does say something to you just ignore them? people say stuff to me all the time even when i am in my school "business dress" clothes. they comment because me and my friend Reki (who i introduced to this site... i think he posted a comment on an articles once.. but he lurks) walk around attached by a chain, people comment when i wear my housecoat out, people in this town comment on EVERYTHING i find ignoring them works best.
you can't protect your girls from ever getting scared, like when a idiot in a big truck nearly runs you all over getting mad and confrontation is acceptable i would say. not fun to nearly be run over. but getting scared is a part of life they will get scared in their lives, though some random guy talking to you and being ignored is prolly not much of a worry to them unless he tries to get in your face in which case what scissors said is definitly a good thing to try...
still if you really want to avoid that kind of thing maybe you should consider toning dress all the way down. the way to dress doesn't make who you are so us saying that has nothing to do with knowing or not knowing you.

 

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  posted on 24/9/2005 at 08:02 AM
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[ I just wanted to add something here. I don't think I made my intent very clear when I started this forum and that is where I went wrong because so far there have been insults thrown my way which is the way of Shmeng where a subject such as this is concerned. Bear with me and please try to see what I mean. I am talking about what ifs here. I know that had this situation escalated that my kids would have been scared. They would have been scared just because a complete stranger said something nasty to their mommy. Don't come up with maybe you should give up the look altogether nonsense. I know you guys are more creative than that. I would like to know if other parents have had similar run ins. Maybe run ins that have escalated. This is just something that made me curious. The story I told above is just what got me to thinking about this whole thing. I am not necessarily that concerned with the incident itself. I am more concerned with the what ifs like I mentioned before. This has nothing to do with me being perturbed because two morons chuckled at me, big deal. This is really about freaks with kids.]

[Edited on 13/9/2005 by ariadne]



Personally, I only "dress up" when I go out for an evening. This has nothing to do with what other people might think of me; I have four kids and don't have the time for elaborate costuming every day. Plus, I don't want my good clothes getting dirty and ruined when I do housework or play with the kids. As you know, kids are messy, so I usually wear jeans and a t- shirt when I'm being Mommy. When I go out and I'm not being Mommy, I don't have the kids with me, so I'm not concerned about them getting scared. It's not an issue anyway. Nobody has ever said anything mean to me about how I was dressed.

Sometimes, when I go to the grocery store or run errands, I'll wear velvet skirts and t-shirts with funny sayings on them and I'll get complimented on my clothes by several people. The thing is, I really don't care what people think of how I look. I'm not skulking around, waiting for someone to persecute me. I could go to the store here, with all four kids in tow, in full costume and makeup and I'm pretty sure that instead of mean glances, I'd get people making admiring comments. If, by some chance, someone ever did say something nasty to me, I would laugh it off. It wouldn't scare my kids; they're far too resilient to be frightened by name-calling.

The point is, if you're not worrying about and expecting persecution, it's far less likely to be like that. Be confident and happy. Wear what makes you comfortable... you're wearing it to make you happy, not to prove to all the world that you're a freak and different and to get strange looks from people. Or are you?

 

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  posted on 24/9/2005 at 05:45 PM
Actually, I am about the same as you, I don't get all decked out for housework and such. I don't have time either. I don't even wear costume attire myself. I am pretty toned down and most of the time I find that I too am complimented on the way I dress as well. Not everyone is an idiot. This one instance just made me wonder what if. I wasn't necessarily thinking that something like this could happen all the time or anything like that. I was talking about people looking to start shit just to do so really more than anything. This group of guys in this instance, well one guy looked at me like he was waiting for me to say something, which of course I wouldn't have because I didn't find it that important. I was just thinking what if they would have been more belligerent. It could happen. I have had no more problems since then. Most of the time people have been very nice to me. I think it goes along with how you present yourself to the world as well. The way you carry yourself in the world says a lot about yourself. I am normally a pretty friendly person so I think most of the time the people around here have no problem with me at all. I was just told the other day by some lady that she thought I dressed so cute and she wondered what my girls thought of all of that. Most of the time people just don't know how I am able to walk in my shoes. Other than that no insults. So maybe it was just a one time deal. Maybe these guys had just had a few drinks at the restaurant and they were a little more out spoken. Who knows?

 

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  posted on 27/9/2005 at 04:25 AM
You know...I read all the way through this and not ONCE are there any tits...

freaking deliver!

And dead horses deserve sound beatings...
It's nice to know subcultural/cultural stereotyping goes both ways, if it didn't I'd feel sorry for those left out.

 

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  posted on 27/9/2005 at 06:58 AM
About the tits, let me clarify, you are right I should have cleared this up sooner. The guys guilty of said offense were walking out of a nice restaurant wearing tanktops, all of them, and every one of these dudes had tits. There you go. Sorry not to appease the inquiring mind sooner. They were stereoptypical white trash looking red necks and the reason I said anything at all about their appearance was the fact that they had no business laughing at anyone else. They needed to do some cleaning up of their own back yard so to speak.

 

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  posted on 27/9/2005 at 03:17 PM
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You know...I read all the way through this and not ONCE are there any tits...

freaking deliver!

And dead horses deserve sound beatings...
It's nice to know subcultural/cultural stereotyping goes both ways, if it didn't I'd feel sorry for those left out.


Dolo, you ignorant slut (because all well-written counterpoints must begin that way),

You missed the point entirely. Yes, the goth chick glared malevolently at the redneckmen who were glaring malevolently, and yes, we have no idea who started the malevolent glaring or what might have really been going on in the minds of complete strangers if it doesn't fall within our narrow ideas of what "those types" must be thinking... but that isn't even what all of this is about! This is a discussion about what could have happened!

I have spent every night of my life sleeplessly trying to penetrate the fiction of what might have gone wrong! Why, when I was younger, so much younger than today, I compiled an alphabetical list of every clinical pathology that I could possibly develop. I worried about contracting one ailment per week until my friends stopped listening (I had gotten to ovarian cysts) because they did not understand the vital importance of agonising over contingies that fail to actually happen. And, Dolo, my sweet Dolo... there weren't even children involved in my imaginary worries! Sweet baked potatoes, won't somebody please think of the children ?!

Those redneckmen could have, but didn't, walk up and sell crack cocaine to those kids! They might have, but failed to, utter profanities that would land those kids in therapy until their mid-fifties... Dolo... think of all the possibile things that failed to materialize here, man! They had the potential to smoke cigarettes in front of impressionable kids! Why are these monsters still walking around in our streets instead of being wrapped up in razor wire and confined to a crater on Jupiter's furthest moon with a detachment of machine-gun wielding security guards trained on them to make sure they never get the chance to perform any of the grisly and terrifying, but mostly imaginary, things we know they are capable of doing ??? I am very, very disappointed in you for not seeing the larger picture here, Dolo.

I agree with you about the tits, though.

 

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  posted on 27/9/2005 at 05:32 PM
Since you don't have kids and have never been in a confrontation in front of your kids then perhaps you are not at liberty to be so judgemental about such a situation. I was in a confrontation once and that IS why this situation made me think of such an event. There was an ocassion where a guy almost hit my kids in a parking lot because he was speeding and I literally had to move my children out of the way so he would not him them because he came out of nowhere. I confronted him that time and rightly so. What I am discussing here is that if they would have started yelling things and being belligerent about anything I know personally that MY KIDS would have been scared because some complete stranger was saying stuff to me. I know it just blows some of your intellectual non reproducing minds that that could actually be true but it is. So have a few kids and then come back with some way to one up the concerned parent who worries about their kids. Since you obviously have no kids it is quite evident that you wouldn't ever have a need to concern yourself with such scenarios because you have nobody to think of other than yourself. Therefore this little superiority complex of your has no place unless you have either given birth or fathered a child and have known the actual emotional bonds associated with rearing children. With such bonds comes added worry and new ways of looking at life in general. So go ahead and be critical if you like but if you have no children yourself I actually see that you have no right to your opinion since you don't even seem capable of an understanding of where I might be coming from. It seems beyond your understanding and maybe Mono, as superior as you seem to think you are in some areas, this might not be an area where you are in authority. Oh, and I don't claim to be goth. Let's just clear that up right away. Once upon a time I might have but I don't use that word at all anymore. So let there be no misunderstandings because I am not a goth. I am too versatile for such a label.

 

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  posted on 27/9/2005 at 06:21 PM
Actually, Dolo is a parent.
Ariadne, if a possible confrontation in front of your kids due to the way you are dressed is such a big concern, then don't do it. Sure, it would mean that the opinions and the actions of others are going to alter the way you live your God-given, freedom-loving, apple pie-eating, crotchless panty-wearing life, but that's the way it goes. Whether we like it or not, the choices we make are going to be affected by things outside of our control. If you honestly think your mode of dress is going to put your children in a situation that makes you uncomfortable, then suck it the fuck up and don't dress like that.

Second, no matter what the parental or familial situations of the other members of this site, they have every right in the world to express them, whether they piss you off or not. Just because Mono didn't jump on your bandwagon doesn't mean you can come on and say he has no right to his opinion. This is an open forum, not an "Everybody agree with me" forum.

 

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  posted on 27/9/2005 at 06:28 PM
While we are talking about people jumping to unwarranted conclusions... where did I ever say I don't have kids? Is this an exclusive club that someone like me wouldn't be allowed to join...? First it's the redneckmen (sic) that you never spoke to but just knew were bad people, now you just know I am childless and have no understanding.

I think you've done a good job of making any point I might have had for me, spidergirl.

 

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  posted on 27/9/2005 at 08:48 PM
ANNOUNCEMENT: Since there is a lot of misunderstanding about how toned down I need to be let me just say I was wearing a band t-shirt and a pair of pants and converse. Oh and I happen to have a nostril piercing, big deal. I have bleached blonde hair that at the time had a few streaks of pink in it but nothing very obvious, it was very subtle, so I was about as toned down as I could get. Ok. when I am getting my kids out of my van and a guy is standing by his car glaring at me , I can kind of guess what kind of look he is shooting my way. There was no mistake about it. I know a lot of you are wanting to spin your opinion about what actually took place but NONE OF YOU WERE THERE. So making fun of the scenario is really straying from the subject. The subject is really about parents finding themselves in a situation where there was some type of altercation because of their appearance when their children were present. Wow! how easy was that. Had some people read where I editted the beginning of this forum I wouldn't have to keep explaining myself. Hopefully now that you are reading this there will be no further misunderstandings about neither my appearance nor anything else. I think by now we should know what the question is here. Any other parents ever find yourselves in similar situations? Did those situations escalate to the point where your children were scared? Is that better?

[Edited on 28/9/2005 by ariadne]

[Edited on 28/9/2005 by ariadne]

 

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  posted on 28/9/2005 at 07:57 AM
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Sweet baked potatoes, won't somebody please think of the children ?!


I read this in falsetto for some reason. It made me almost spit coffee everywhere.

 

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