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Author: Subject: What's the Damage?

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  posted on 1/9/2005 at 08:11 PM
Gas prices here have risen to at least 3.24. The highest I have seen so far. I saw that today down in Paia, but I haven't checked the closer station.

What's the price in your area?

 

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  posted on 2/9/2005 at 02:34 AM
About $3.15, I think. It jumps about .20 a day.

But it's not just gas that's getting more expensive. Anything that has to be transported at all is going to cost more.

I hate to be a doomsayer, but I really think that this is going to decimate the economy. No one is going to be able to afford to go anywhere, and when they do, they are not going to be able to afford to buy anything!

 

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  posted on 2/9/2005 at 03:25 AM
It's just going to cause inflation I've heard. Things already cost a ton here because they have to be transported by boat and plane and not just trucks.

 

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  posted on 2/9/2005 at 06:07 AM
Schizo is right. Gas is going to just get higher and higher, especially when we've used up the federal oil reserves. Food is going to be a lot more expensive. People will be using most of their incomes just on survival. I think this really is the beginning of some very rough times for everyone.

 

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  posted on 2/9/2005 at 06:16 AM
I filled up yesterday at a Shell station and it was 3.19 a gallon. I put in just under 12 gallons and grabbed 3-20oz pops and together the bill was just over 40 dollars. That's triple the amount it cost to fill up the car from when I first got it a couple of years ago.

The price of gas jumped about 40 cents a gallon overnight on Monday, but it hasn't seemed to change around here after that this week. I can't really avoid driving any less than I already do, because I try to combine trips as it is. There isn't public transportation as such around here, and the bus service, that we do have, is a call per ride type program. So pretty much whatever it ends up costing, I'll have to bite the bullet and ante up.

 

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  posted on 2/9/2005 at 12:23 PM
currently the price in ontario, apparantly, is dangling around the 132.7 cents per litre, though here in B.C i saw it at 110.9 center per litre yesterday... so in gallons that would be 5.04$ and in american it would be 4.24$ for ontario and the price by my place would be 4.21$ in gallons and 3.55$ american... all the same it is hurricane katrina that sent the prices rising so not only are many residents out of their homes and living in other people's home and their cars but now they also have to pay extra money for gas for it...
 

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  posted on 3/9/2005 at 06:01 AM
I'm thinking that now would be a very good time to be owning a bicycle store.

 

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  posted on 6/9/2005 at 05:02 AM
I siphon gas from the guy next door so the rising gas prices aren't affecting me much. I heard somewhere that if it continues on this trend it;ll be somewhere in the neighborhood of ten bucks a gallon in three years...wouldn't surprise me. I blame it on fucking Walmart.

 

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  posted on 8/9/2005 at 08:57 PM
The National Guard in New Orleans is preparing 25,000 body bags. How's that for damage?

[Edited on 9/9/2005 by ariadne]

 

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  posted on 8/9/2005 at 11:19 PM
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The National Guard in New Orleans is preparing 25,000 body bags. How's that for damage?

[Edited on 9/9/2005 by ariadne]


Sorry to be a wet blanket, but FEMA is preparing 25,000 body bags. The National Guard are merely threatening poor people and German reporters.

 

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  posted on 9/9/2005 at 12:40 AM
Not also to be a wet blanket, but we all know/heard/seen/been through the hurricane tragedy. Hurricanes are dramatic. It's human drama, man vs nature and makes for good tv. Discussing economic terrorism on a grand scale that threatens to cripple the average joe citizen isn't negating the fact that yes there is immediate personal crisis down south. There is something in common between the two. One blew in a killed an untold amount of people in the spectacular way that only nature can do, wiped out thousands of lives (and not just the lives of those who died) and crippled three states. The other is a quiet killer we click our tounges over as we fill our SUV's and drive to the store five times a day. It'll kill people as surely as a hurricane or a gun, only quietly, one by one. When families can't financially survive, there is domestic violence, suicide, murder. When food costs skyrocket to cover gas prices, those who were just hanging on go hungry or eat poorly (ie: cheaply. Top Ramen anyone?) and are more prone to get sickly, and yes sick enough to die as they can't afford to go to the hospital. Pregnant women who don't eat well have children with lower immune systems. Poorly fed children have weaker immune systems.
What kills me is that our trucking industry runs on deisel. Deisel is a petroleum by product. It wasn't intentionally made, it was just what was left over and they made things to run on it. Waste not want not kids! Deisel used to be the affordable fuel, hence even as regular gas prices soared, industry and retail products remained the same price. Now with trucking being the CORE of our transportation of goods, they can afford to hike the price HIGHER than ordinary gas, even tho it's the "waste" of petroleum production. They're making a FORTUNE.
Here in Washington state, AMPM regular unleaded gas is $2.75. Deisel is available at the 76, Shell, and Chevron, the cheapest I've seen at $3.08. Who knew accidental byproducts could be such GOLD!
What is even more silly is that it's not the supply of oil. Our incoming oil is fine. Our refineries aren't keeping up, and the hurricane wiped out a massive port with a LOT of our refineries. What I find sillier is that Washington state gasoline is refined in MONTANA, which last I heard isn't on the gulf. Yet we're still paying almost $3 a gallon.
It hiked when bush took office, it hiked when the trade center was demolished, it hiked when the Afghani war started, and hiked again when we lost interest (and a little face) and went bullying our way into iraq. Then it continued to rise and rise as the war got uglier and uglier, then.....SWEET RELIEF! It dropped 30 cents! What a relief, 2.05 a gallon! Then it went back up, then they said it'd go down, but OH MY GOD King Fauhd (spelled?) in Saudi Arabia died and his brother who's been handling his brother's affairs for the last fifteen years took over, we better hike the prices even tho he's said nothing will change and he's done nothing to make us think otherwise. Lawd Lawd. Then Katrina. Where's my sandwich board and megaphone, I'm thinking the end is near. Better warn the neighbors and tell that garbage burning bitch next door what I really think of her while I have the chance.
We can't take another two years of this. We can't take another year. I'm giving it six months.

And schitz, if you really want to make an investment that will pay off, I'd take what money you have and invest it in Home Depot, Lowes, Ace Hardware. Sure Haliburton's subsidiary has the rebuilding contract, but they gotta get their supplies SOMEwhere.

I've recently just come to a point with everything where all I can do is just sit back and laugh. My dad does that. He seems happy. Because just like him, I know that if I don't laugh, I'll explode. I'll just blow my goddamned happy top. SO I laugh when gas jumps up another quarter over a week....laugh when I put twenty bucks into the paystation and get a half a tank. I'm positively giddy. Peace kids, I'll see you when the dust settles.

 

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  posted on 9/9/2005 at 04:03 AM
YOU MaY BE RIGHT,MONO, I THINK I MISREAD. It doesn't say FEMA though it only says officials. FEMA is really in charge of logistics. So maybe.

What makes you think that the National Guard is threatening poor people? I know that they are trying to get everyone to leave because of the threat of disease and because of the fact that if people choose to stay there will be no food and water coming into New Orleans. There will be no medical care as well and there is the danger of disease. Also the National Guard is seizing all weapons even from registered owners because of the fact that New Orleans has become a war zone. Contractors trying to repair a bridge were shot at. The shooters were killed but that is what is being dealt with there in this country. Military helicopters are being fired at by civilians. Police have been shot at trying to rescue people. I do not know why on earth you would think that the National Guard trying to do their jobs would be threatening people. Those people do need to leave. It is in their best interests to do so or they will be left without food or water or proper medical attention when disease becomes a major problem for them.

[Edited on 9/9/2005 by ariadne]

[Edited on 9/9/2005 by ariadne]

 

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  posted on 9/9/2005 at 04:10 AM
"Not also to be a wet blanket, but we all know/heard/seen/been through the hurricane tragedy"

That is easy to say when you are sitting up there in Washington state watching everything on TV. I just happen to live in one of the states that was hit by Katrina and am in no humor to beat around the bush about the so called dramatics of a hurricane. I am originally from the east coast and grew up with hurricanes all my life and this was not the average hurricane. This was a cateogry 5 but was knocked down to a cat 4 by some westerly wind but it was devastating nevertheless. In the town where I live there is a little boy at my daughter's school who has lost his parents and his infant sister and teen age brother. At my other children's daycare there is another child who is also an evacuee. At my husband's aunt's church there were people who came here from New Orleans with nothing but they were looking for a church. One girl, 19 years old, doesn't even know what happened to her mother. She couldn't find her as she was lost in the flood as the levees broke. In my state where the hurricane actually hit. Gas went up a little last week and dropped back down 10 cents this week so I think everyone is really overreacting just a little and too worried about things that are more or less hype. What should be more of a concern to everyone is how in the hell this happened in our country. How the people of the Gulf Coast region were left to fend for themselves. There were days before the storm hit for plans of action to be manifested. It was known that the storm was heading for New Orleans. It was also known what a storm like that would do to New Orleans. FEMA DID NOTHING. No arrangements were made. Nobody helped evacuate those too poor to evacuate themselves. Many people in New Orleans were too poor to own cars. That is why there were so many people left behind. Yes there was a mandatory evacuation in place but that was not enough. The government failed the people. New Orleans has become a war zone. This is suppose to be America. This isn't suppose to happen here but it did. They don't have enough National Guard units at home because they are mostly in Iraq right now. Their job is to restore order at home in a time of crises. Instead the Federal Government is going to deploy active duty troops to restore law and order in our own country. Military police have already been deployed there. And you think this is just your run of the mill hurricane drama? This is a break down in our society. This should never have happened. Do you think if something like this happened that our government will be able to protect us when a really serious terrorist attack occurs? Think about that instead of your pocket book. I think everybody here who is safe with their own privacy and who is able to call the people they love when they want to is pretty much ok. I think all of you are going to make it don't you? There are thousands of Americans right now who live without anything but the clothes on their backs right now and some of them can't find children, spouses, parents,etc, be thankful for what you have.

[Edited on 9/9/2005 by ariadne]

 

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  posted on 9/9/2005 at 01:15 PM
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There are thousands of Americans right now who live without anything but the clothes on their backs right now and some of them can't find children, spouses, parents,etc, be thankful for what you have.


uh, yeah, very true. though im sure there are more than thousands. this is not really a change from before the hurricane though... katrina just upped the number a percent or two.
there was already small wars and people getting killed and random tradgety, maybe you just couldn't see it so clearly before cus it wasn't on tv. just like bettie said national crisis makes good tv, everyday crisis doesn't and the people in everyday crisis thats happening all the time are the ones who just need to get to work so they can feed their kids but all the money they make get eaten up by gas prices getting to work or to the store that they barely have enough money to cover the rising food prices....

its not like nobody on the site was part of the hurricane or anything though, callei and shade lived in new orleans.

 

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  posted on 9/9/2005 at 01:42 PM
I will say one thing - I am not shocked in the least that something like this could happen in America. That not only could such a catastrophic natural disaster occur, but that the American people could sink so low, that the government could be so unresponsive, that an entire mess like this could happen.

After all, why not? We're Americans. So? Why does that make us any different than Sudanese, Cambodians, Uzbekistanians? We're people. Which means that we're capable of lying, cheating, stealing, cruelty, selfishness, murder, corruption, indifference, you name it. The only reason Americans seem less corrupt on the surface is because we generally don't get put in the sort of situations that bring out the nasty side as often as "third world" nations. We're generally comfortable, well-fed, and safe. It's easy for us to be "civilized." But take that comfort and stability away, and we are EXACTLY the same as those chaotic nations we so look down on. We become like them - humans in extremity. It brings out the best in the best, but it also brings out the worst in the worst.

As for government response - I'm not even going to go there, because I am really not the most qualified here to discuss that.

(On a side note - yes, the price of gas is a pretty small issue compared to the suffering and death of thousands, but it IS an issue, and, unlike the devastation, it is something most of us ARE having to deal with personally every day. Do you really expect us to ONLY discuss the absolute biggest topics? Just because there is starvation in Africa, may I never mention how hungry I am at the moment? By all means, we would love to hear about this disaster from an insider's view. Didn't you notice our huge reponse to Callei and Shade's story? Much bigger than our reply to this topic. I'm sorry for your loss and difficulties, but I REFUSE to be guilt-tripped for daring to discuss any lesser side issues.)

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This is suppose to be America. This isn't suppose to happen here but it did.


New Orleans is an example to all of us - never, NEVER mistake the "civilization" of a nation like ours for immunity to disaster and, most of all, humanity. This is America. And we're no better than anybody else.

 

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  posted on 9/9/2005 at 05:01 PM
"uh, yeah, very true. though im sure there are more than thousands. this is not really a change from before the hurricane though... katrina just upped the number a percent or two.
there was already small wars and people getting killed and random tradgety, maybe you just couldn't see it so clearly before cus it wasn't on tv."

It is nice that you would try to insult my intelligence this way but you are speaking to someone with a husband who is currently doing his third tour in the middle east. So don't even go there with me because I will virtually kick your teeth in if you want to discuss this stupid war and tragedy and what not. I am in a place where I know all about this first hand. So just stop where you are, thank you.

As far as this making good TV. hmmmm That is funny that you would say this because I am not watching this shit on tv I am meeting evacuees. As a matter of fact, I don't even watch tv if you must know. I read the news.

As far as Callei and Shade's story I had no idea about that because I have not been around in a while. I intend to check it out though. On a side note though, as far as my trying to guilt trip anyone here. I made a statement because pretty much everywhere I have gone I have encountered a lot of people who just don't give a fuck about what happened to the people of the Gulf Coast region. Then when this was the only forum on the subject at all and it dealt only with gas prices naturally I stated what I thought. Since my state was also hit it disgusted me. It would have anyone because it appeared that was the only thing that concerned anyone here at all. It still appears that way from the response I received. One of my daughter's fathers was found to be murdered after being missing for 4 fucking years. I don't think I need the Tv to tell me about tragedy gothimorman. So blow it out your fucking hairdo.



[Edited on 10/9/2005 by ariadne]

 

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  posted on 9/9/2005 at 07:14 PM
I just read the articles by Shade and Callei and I am really happy to hear that they made it out of New Orleans safely. I am truly sorry that they lost everything. I can't believe I missed that. Thanks for bringing that up.

 

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  posted on 9/9/2005 at 09:03 PM
Do people think that New Orleans is going to be rebuilt? The news here shows us thousands of hours of prize-contender footage of human tragedy but tells us nothing, lots of people died and were made homeless and that there was looting, a scapegoat has been appointed and duly fired and nothing more. I cannot imagine that it would be considered a viable economic choice, but what will happen to the people who have no alternatives? I don't have all the information by a long shot but I can see a third world city state growing up in the symbolic heart of western civilisation: America.

 

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  posted on 9/9/2005 at 11:06 PM
Ariadne, nobody here is demeaning the grand scale tragedy of what happened down there, and simply because there's a discussion about one of the side effects of that tragedy, and the overall failings of the administration, doesn't mean that nobody gives a fuck. And yes it's easy to say that sitting here in washington state, but what I didn't say was that I knew what you were going through while I sat here in washington state, it was a general "if we didn't go through it ourselves, we've seen the havoc, and we feel for those who did". Don't be flippant. I'd LOVE to send money, send aid, but well all my finances are tied up in my goddamned gas tank! And tied up in my rising cost of living over the last five years, faild by the same administration that failed the thousands and thousands of people on the coast. But overlooking the side issues, the tragedies on the small scale that happen quietly, one by one, with no tv cameras and no aid on the way, is just as disgusting to me than the gross mass scale FAILING of the people of the gulf coast during a disaster such as this.
I wasn't in the hurricane, but my heart goes out. I wasn't in new york on 9/11, but my heart went out. Unfortunately the rest of me is dancing on the strings of financial survival as the chasm between the haves and the have nots gapes even wider, dancing between two jobs equaling about 60 hrs a week to pay rising costs of EVERYTHING. I do give a fuck, but like schitz, as much as everything that has happened has broken my heart and my belief that we're better than this, I won't be guilt tripped into a major tragedy to ignore one just as great, only silent and one that happens home by home. With no reporters with tears in their eyes.

Wormwood, I'm sure something of new orleans and surrounding cities will be rebuilt, it's just the way it's done. It was a beautiful city, and hurricanes haven't deterred people in the past. Rebuilding is a way of rebuilding lives to people, it gives the security of moving forward, of doing SOMETHING to reclaim their destroyed lives. Besides, those who've been displaced have to go somewhere. I'm sure it'll never be the same, tho, to anyone. And there are plenty of third world city states in america. Go visit the smoky mountains, or appalachia, where thousands of people still live, mere miles from industrialised cities, in shacks without even plumbing, and where STILL nobody cares. They're not americans, they're hillbillies.....it's not a third world, it's a redneck mecca, cuz they're poor cuz they just don't care and they're inbred. Our money is better spent blowing up and controling our oil interests and relieving the national debt of other third worlds, not bringing our own small third world areas into the "light of civilization".

 

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  posted on 9/9/2005 at 11:26 PM
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...a scapegoat has been appointed and duly fired ...


Nobody has been fired. FEMA chief Mike Brown has been taken off the NOLA case, but, far from being reprimanded, he has been praised publicly by Bush and Homeland Security Director Michael Chertoff. He has been allowed not only to keep his job but to oversee all future FEMA ops (he's currently working on Ophelia contingencies) and dispersing money to loyal contractors (Hal-KBR, Blackwater and Dewberry primarily). If the Beeb said someone has been fired, that news hasn't trickled to we here in the colonies who will be feeling the soles of their jackboots for the foreseeable future.

 

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