I also don't think that they teach them HOW to come across to people. The
message is simply spread it. It's like teaching abstinence only and not
teaching people who are going to have sex anyway how to be safe about it,
and smart about it.
Say he honestly did "see hell", and that he's genuinely concerned with the
sanctity of MRD's eternal soul, and he really wants to talk to her about it
and share his feelings, views, and concerns. If he emailed her and said "I
read your article on blah blah blah, and as a christian I'm worried about
you, why do you feel how you do?" it would be different. If he had
attempted to engage in conversation about his views and her views instead
of a diatribe going "OMG dude like jesus" that really offers no other
response than "whaaaa?", then perhaps it could have been an open
discussion. He might occasionally change someone's views on religion and
"save a soul" if he tried a different approach. His email left no room for
discussion, no room for real reply, and is off putting. It was "this is
how it is, you can call me a jesus freak or convert and be saved". THAT is
what is so "bad" about it.
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W0rmW00d
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posted on 1/5/2005 at 07:13 PM
I wonder if all the 'rich prat' stuff is trying to make the bible hip, as
schizo said, or perhaps just an inabilty to express himself in any other
way.
God bless him for trying though. He better had, because I'm not going to do
it.
I wonder how he got to hell.....
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Dolorosa
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posted on 2/5/2005 at 12:17 AM
Oh I started on him simply because I'm a zealous hypocritical asshole. Heh,
I hold no allusions, I hate his kind...for which I am sure are good
reasons, I just don't plan on exploring them...that takes time away from
finding ways to hurt him. I am not a wise man, but I am very fucking good
at what I do.
And I think, just for fun...I'll start a fanatical group of christies, get
'em all hopped up on the j-dawg...tell them what they want to hear, wrap
them up in a whole buncha' crap and send 'em all spiralling straight into
their own self-envisioned hells. Just for the sheer unadultrated fuck of
it.
I am a bad, bad man.
wheeeee.
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Merry_Widow
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posted on 2/5/2005 at 09:29 AM
I think it was the "couldn't be bothered waiting" bit that pissed me off.
If he couldn't be bothered to take the 5-10 minutes to register, then why
should anyone have to be bothered with him?
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Merry_Widow
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posted on 2/5/2005 at 09:31 AM
Initially pissed me off, I mean. So I was already scowling by the time I
got to his attempt to evangelise. I'm all for honest faith and convictions,
but to unload all that on a person, without knowing anything more about
them. Woof.
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Schizo
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posted on 2/5/2005 at 02:41 PM
Oh, I know all about this sort of stuff from the inside, having had
"evangelism class" shoved down my throat when I was 19, I think. Hated it,
even back then. It was all about how to bend any conversation around to
the subject, how to look for an opening, how to "appear" concerned, how to
"deal with" any objections, how to not be "dragged into" arguments. All
very artificial and nauseating. And the poor students were never told how
very invasive and rude and pushy and just plain psycho they were going to
sound to anyone with a trace of discernment. I remember fellow students
putting me down for not spreading the gospel enough, for not jumping at the
chance to man the phones at the Billy Graham crusade, for not taking tracts
with me when I went shopping, but damn it if deep down I just couldn't
bring myself to be such a poor salesman. If someone came to me and asked
me about what I believed, I answered their questions, and my close friends
always knew where I stood, and respected me for it. But I could never play
the second-rate recruit officer. It just felt all wrong.
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girls." - Dresden Dolls, "Girl Anachronism"
gothicmorman
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posted on 2/5/2005 at 06:48 PM
personally i would say that it is not the over zelous attitude toward the
strong set of beliefs that he possesses or even the way he presents them
that is so infuriating or annoying or whatever it makes you feel. to me it
is the simple fact that he does not respect the fact that other people
might be just as secure and 'zelous' about their own set of beliefs. that
is the one and i think only thing that bothers me about christians is the
fact that they (or at least most of them) try to force their beleifs on
others as if it was the one and only way of being and though most are not
so adament about it as this brad character they all hope that everyone will
turn christian and they all try to spread the 'good news'
like bettie said:
quote:If he emailed her and
said "I read your article on blah blah blah, and as a christian I'm worried
about you, why do you feel how you do?" it would be different. If he had
attempted to engage in conversation about his views and her views instead
of a diatribe going "OMG dude like jesus" that really offers no other
response than "whaaaa?", then perhaps it could have been an open
discussion. He might occasionally change someone's views on religion and
"save a soul" if he tried a different approach. His email left no room for
discussion, no room for real reply, and is off putting. It was "this is how
it is, you can call me a jesus freak or convert and be saved". THAT is what
is so "bad" about it.
the whole pushyness and 'this is the only way attitude' only puts people
off the religion.
Abbadon
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posted on 3/5/2005 at 05:38 AM
What exactly is it that hell sucks?
____________________ Light is changing to shadow, and casting a shroud over all we have known.
Seeming how you're on a grammar and typing accuracy kick, I'm assuming you
mean "what exactly makes hell suck?" or "why exactly is it that hell
sucks?" And being unladylike to match your ungentlemanly ways of late, are
you five?
And the answer to your question lies with the kid. I'm sure if you ask MRD
nicely she'll hand over his IM or email address.
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Starlight
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posted on 4/5/2005 at 12:31 AM
MRD posted the angry young man's name and email addy in the original post
of this thread, so Abbadon can contact the young man and chat about hell
with him to his lil heart's content.
Personally, I don't know if it's that his hell sucks so much, as it must
just suck to be him. *shrugs*
On a side note, I waved off a pair of door to door Mormons the other day. I
thought I'd try the finger wave method and see how it worked. I heard the
knocking and doorbell ringing...closed two of the snaps on a robe (decided
they didn't need the free boobie show)...moved the curtain on the door
back...saw the nametags, etc...waved my right index finger side to side a
few times...then closed the curtain back...and they went away.
____________________ "When choosing between two evils, I always like to try the one I've never
tried before." ~Mae West
I never get door to door religious folks where I live. I do see them ride
by on their bikes time to time, but they never stop. All I get are people
who crash in front of my house and need a phone, and local crazies that
wander the highway and want to stack my firewood for ten dollars. Hooray
for cheap schitzopherenic labor.
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Sardonic-Pain
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posted on 4/5/2005 at 03:45 PM
You know I haven't gotten them comming to my door in a long time but I just
moved not to long ago I'm sure they will re-apear but apparantly I look
like I need jesus...I work at Wendy's and everytime I work the "Hole" the
first window that takes your money and your order yea everytime I am back
there without fail someone hands me a damn tract and it pisses me
off....Granted I have piercings and tattoos and not natural red colored
hair but do I look like that much of a freak! Oh and while I am ranted get
this right...My car had broken down one morning while I was on my way home
from taking my to work....it was a bad day anywho a cop comes over and is
like your moms sending a tow truck and then the cop looks at me and goes
are you a satan worshipper and I am WTF dude where the hell did you get
that from! Turns out he thought my anarachy tatoo on my hand between my
thumb and index finger was a pentagram and we all know that pentagrams are
satanic! *note the sarcasm* yea ok I'm done hehe that feels better I think
I just lost like 10 pounds!
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He could have just been curious, but if he'd gone any further towards
harassment you should get his name and badge number. They have to provide
it when asked. Plus, most people don't know the difference, so if he was
nice about it or just curious, that's one thing, but if he was bein a dick,
tell his supervisor.
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Meranda_Jade
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posted on 5/5/2005 at 01:09 PM
The Mormons came to my house one day... they started off asking if I wanted
to hear about The Church Of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, and I said,
"No." They asked why. I then went on my standard litany about how I lived
in Utah for five years and that since Utah History class is a polite way of
saying "Mormonism 101" and that I was force-fed the religion in middle
school, and not only that, I'd been to the Temple in Salt Lake with a youth
group (they were shocked about that, no non-mormons are EVER allowed in
there, but somehow they overlooked me) as well as had read the book of
mormon out of idle curiosity, I was very certain that the path of the
Mormons was not for me. We ended up talking about basketball, as I had gone
to high school in 10th grade with Shawn Bradley (really, he was the first
person I saw when I entered the building, and I damn near walked right back
out again. The top of my head reached his navel. I can just hear the dirty
jokes now, you perverts.) Anyway, after that conversation, they smiled and
waved as they left, and I haven't seen a Mormon darkening my doorway since.
I guess word gets around.
they stopped coming to my door when I answered naked, and then stayed that
way the entire visit.
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W0rmW00d
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posted on 7/5/2005 at 10:50 AM
Since Abaddon doesn't seem to be manning his guns I'll pick up his guns for
a bit.
The sentence written was 'What exactly is it that hell sucks.' Not 'Why
does hell suck?'
This means, as the sentence suggests, 'Upon what does hell suck,
exactly?'
It is hardly criptic.
Assuming that he meant 'what makes hell suck is like me assuming that
feral, in his last post, meant 'When they asked me a question my reply was,
''Naked'' and so their orgasms ceased, then they remained without climax
for the remainder of their visit.'
Are you thirty five?
____________________ Eritis sicut Deus scientes bonum et malum.
And the third angel sounded, and a troll army did descend upon the world.
How gentlemanly of you. Let Abbadon man his own guns. The only reason it
was brought up is that Abbadon seems to have a problem with the way I
occasionally construct sentences in reply to other people who have no
problem with understanding what my sentences "suggest", and hence he asked
if I was "five". His message was perfectly clear, but from someone who
likes to nitpick and egg people on as his mood hits him for whatever
reasons, he should practice what he preaches. If we're going to play the
game of what posted sentences "suggest", then he has no argument, gripe, or
reason to complain with me. If not, then it's tit for tat, and I'll call
it when I see it. So, if he wishes to continue, I'll continue with him
about this, not with you.
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Abbadon
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posted on 18/5/2005 at 06:20 AM
Continue what, exactly?
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W0rmW00d
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posted on 18/5/2005 at 12:55 PM
If you can call it when you see it, then surely I can call it when I see
it. What you saw, however, was an oppertunity to get back at someone by
misreading a post. There was no ambiguity about his statement, and the
phraseology was a standard one.
Nitpicking is one thing, but planting a nit and then removing it is quite
another.
____________________ Eritis sicut Deus scientes bonum et malum.
And the third angel sounded, and a troll army did descend upon the world.
Woody you can do whatever the hell you want, what I'm telling you is that
I'm not going to draw out an argument with you when my gripe is with
someone else. I am nitpicking, and I'm nitpicking at someone who so
joyously does it to others. The statements I make to other people are
coherant to those I am speaking to, and if Abbadon takes it apon himself to
nitpick, I'll gladly return the favor. Generally, I leave him alone unless
he's instigated an episode, which until a year ago were merely little
choice interruptions of "americans suck!" My statements aren't ambiguous,
and neither was his, but he felt the need to be a prick over sentence
structures directed in reply to someone else and I'm returning the favor.
I will get back at people if I feel like it and when I can. It's my
perogative, as it's his to needle and pick and be a jerk as his fancy
strikes him. If he's got a problem with me returning his type of behavior,
let him take it up with me.
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