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Author: Subject: Bat help

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  posted on 5/4/2005 at 09:44 AM
How the hell do you take care of a small(body smaller than a fist, 10-inch wingspan), brown, eastern-european bat? The biology lab just got one...the teachers were going to use him for dissection, but they couldn't stand the whining and pleading of hundreds of students and he became the lab's pet...thing is, we don't really know what to feed him. Well, except insects, but you try to catch enough flies...The animal rescue/pet shop/vet option is out of the question...the teachers said we keep him, alive or dead. And...where should we keep him? Right now, he's living in a jar...we were thinking a bird cage

 

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  posted on 6/4/2005 at 12:29 AM
Your teachers ought to be turned in and FIRED for reckless endangerment of an animal if you don't turn the creature in to a wildlife resource center. We keep him, alive or dead?! What the FUCK kind of reasoning is that for someone who is in charge of educating people?! First off, how did they procure this animal for disection, because I know of NO place that sells LIVE ANIMALS for use in disection in classrooms. What were they planning to do, VIVISECT the poor fucking thing? And does the SCHOOL know about this? And if it wasn't illegal, then WHY wouldn't they want veterinary or wildlife counsel? This sounds like a load of bullshit to me, and if you have an OUNCE of integrity to you, you'd contact the proper authorities IMMEDIATELY. Some places have laws against harming and keeping bats and other wildlife, and bats in many places are a protected species. Your teachers are FUCKING ASSHOLES.

If you're going to disregard all that, go to

http://www.batworld.org

Do the right thing. Tell a rescue org about it, you can be anonymous if you want, but this is WRONG. Flat out WRONG.

 

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  posted on 6/4/2005 at 06:19 AM
Had I been living in the U.S, that's what I'd have done. however, here in Romania, the situation is pretty different. Wildlife resource centers/animal rescue are things we've only heard about on Animal Planet, and most of the vets around only treat "regular" pets or farm animals. Anyway, we've set the little thing free, I think he'll be OK.

 

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  posted on 6/4/2005 at 08:54 AM
You commies are sick for keeping it in a jar for any length of time.

[Edited on 4/6/2005 by Abbadon]

 

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  posted on 6/4/2005 at 07:31 PM
Stille: I would like to say that your statement is false... there are animal rescue centers everywhere... having lived on the continent, I assure you that all you have to do... is look...

 

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  posted on 8/4/2005 at 09:35 AM
How dare anyone harm anything in the name of education. It is sickening that people can just flat out disregard the moral inclinations and beliefs of someone just so that some school children can learn about anatomy through practical experience. I find it bad enough that they don't tailor the carriculums of the world to each of the 6.6 billion peoples individual wants, let alone that they irresponsibly and downright wrongly upset some of them by doing things that they dont like.

Ummm, am I then the only other person here who has done animal body and heart dissections? They should have fucking fired Leonardo Da Vinci's arse for negligence and upsetting the pope a little bit when he created his seminal sketches which became the basis of human anatomical knowledge. Fucking Sicko.

 

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  posted on 8/4/2005 at 09:39 AM
http://www.avestours.ro/index.php

I don't know if they're near your city but usually if you call they send people out or have satellite locations nearby.

http://www.epce.ro/
I cant' read romanian, but this was under "wildlife rescue"

http://worldanimalnet.org/new.asp?co=ROMANIA&geo=&prov=&cat=


Abbadon I totally agree.

Here's the big list I got, most are for dogs and cats but it's where I got the links above.

 

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  posted on 8/4/2005 at 10:01 AM
First off, wormwood, I don't agree with using animals in classroom disections. Because I'm one of "those people". But that's okay. Also, they have computer programs that are every bit as educational in "practical experience"where the student can disect everything from a frog to a human body. What is unpractical about that?
Second of all, is it common in romania to send live animals to classrooms to be disected? Or vivisected? Or to simply catch wildlife yourself to bring in to cut up?
Kids don't need to cut things up to learn, and it's not "practical experience" unless they're a) going to be surgeons or doctors, where computer program disections of animals can take them to donated human cadavers in med school or b)growing up to be sociopaths and go home to cut things up in their free time so they can learn how to cut up people in hotel rooms.

The practical experience I got in school was just fine without our teachers catching wildlife to cut up in classrooms. Besides the fact, I dont' know if bats are protected species in romania or not, but here, most places, they are. Bats reproduce like humans, one baby two TOPS a year, and the bat (if they did indeed just go catch it) could have been a female with a pup back in the nursery, who will subsequently die without her. There is more to education and practical experience than cutting living things open to see how they work. I fail to see how that is practical to begin with.

 

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  posted on 8/4/2005 at 10:04 AM
Are you saying humans can have two babies a year?

 

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  posted on 8/4/2005 at 10:05 AM
Clearly this implies your education was sub-standard. More vivisection I say!

 

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  posted on 8/4/2005 at 10:08 AM
Twins dude

 

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  posted on 8/4/2005 at 10:09 AM
I feel like a fool, I have not thought this out properly. What I meant to say was: you know shit all about bat physiology, you ignorant yank.

 

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  posted on 8/4/2005 at 12:51 PM
Bettie and Feral>>I'm an idiot. I'd have never thought that an out-of-my area animal rescue center would help...Sorry...

As for dissections, it's not in my profile , but the natural sciences one *might* have them...Some years ago, it certainly was, and some people clearly don't understand that time passes and things change. I've seen some older textbooks and even then, the only animals dissected were frogs and rabbits...I've never heard of bats being used in highschool dissections. Anyway, the two teachers that came with the idea are both going to retire this year, and the two younger ones supported us. I like to think that they were just waaaay behind the time

 

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  posted on 8/4/2005 at 05:01 PM
abby baby... one in january... next one in october... two in a year... it's happened in my family ...

Stille: not an idiot, just uninformed....

WW: we gained our knowledge of anatomy with brutal methods that were justified at the time. Now, there are ways to trace neural pathways, blood vessels and explore without killing a currently living thing. The practical experience gained from cutting open an animal is negligible unless the student is interested in medicine... Besides, these students are not making any discoveries, as they have already been made...

 

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  posted on 9/4/2005 at 08:26 AM
I said: 'Are you saying humans can have two babies a year?', not: 'Are you saying humans can have two babies in a year?'

 

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  posted on 9/4/2005 at 09:36 PM
Addy, baby: after consulting with three degreed individuals (in the english language) your seantics make no difference, both statements mean PRECISELY the same thing... you are attempting to make someone sound stupid and bait them... and this time... you are grasping at straws...

 

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  posted on 10/4/2005 at 02:59 AM
I've not yet gone to college, but I thought they meant the same as well.

I just figured there was some inflection or something I was missing which would make them different.

[Edited on 4/10/2005 by MystryssRavynDarque]

 

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  posted on 10/4/2005 at 02:33 PM
quote:
Addy, baby: after consulting with three degreed individuals (in the english language) your seantics make no difference, both statements mean PRECISELY the same thing... you are attempting to make someone sound stupid and bait them... and this time... you are grasping at straws...


I find it hard to accept advice on the English language from someone who could write a paragraph like that.

 

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  posted on 10/4/2005 at 03:36 PM
Abby, baby, 1) I offered no advice, I made a concise statement 2) if I had offered advice, you would be free take or ignore it because 3) I don't care... you are still grasping at straws...

 

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  posted on 11/4/2005 at 08:34 AM
I think your record is broken.

 

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