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Author: Subject: newbie right here!

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  posted on 7/1/2005 at 08:17 PM
Yep, I'm new as of a few minutes ago. uuhh.. yeah, I'm new
 

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  posted on 7/1/2005 at 08:26 PM
yay

 

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  posted on 8/1/2005 at 02:33 AM
sort of.
welcome to shmeng. this was probably a bad post to start off with. now they will all hate you and flame you when given the chance unless you work your butt off to prove yourself worthy. the people here take dedication very seriously, that is why i am prettymuch still a newbie though i have been on and off here for a few years. feral here ^ can be very mean if you get on his bad side. but all in all he is still really cool. good luck.

[Edited on 1/8/2005 by gothicmorman]

 

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  posted on 8/1/2005 at 03:01 AM
I'm not sure that's true, gm. My first instinct was to flame you .

~M.

 

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  posted on 8/1/2005 at 03:10 AM
if i were you that would be my first instinct too but at least i posted knowing that. It is not entirely true what i said, at least not to that extreme but generally a less elaborated version is prettymuch the way it goes. that or the newbie doesnt post much and gets ignored.
 

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  posted on 8/1/2005 at 05:55 AM
Gm: were that the case... I would have started the flame strike... you seem to think we hate newbies... we welcome them... as long as they contribute to the site in some, however small, way...

As for ignoring them... in a room full of vegetables...which one deserves attention?

[Edited on 1/8/2005 by feralucce]

 

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  posted on 8/1/2005 at 06:49 PM
The freshest one feral?

 

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  posted on 8/1/2005 at 06:51 PM
Oh, and hi, blackheartedsoul, to keep to the original thread for once.

 

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  posted on 8/1/2005 at 07:40 PM
feralucce: somehow, "hi, i am new" does not seem like a contribution. yes, you welcome newbies: as long as they fit a criteria. they have to be smart from the beginng. http://www.shmeng.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=XForum&file=viewt hread&tid=695 - this person for instance was not smart and automatically got flamed.
http://www.shmeng.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=XForum& amp;file=viewthread&tid=693 - the forum is called 'Gothic Enlightenment' yet 'what is goth?' type threads are unacceptable. bitch-pidgeon technically did make a contribution but all the same got shafted because it was not the right kind.

as for vegetables the best and worst ones get attention and the mediocre one's do not. same with people, same with people on here.

 

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  posted on 9/1/2005 at 08:38 AM
if you would like to cite information on the site - i will cite this article... http://www.shmeng.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News& amp;file=article&sid=708 ... OF COURSE WE CERTAIN STANDARDS AND CRITERIA

as for your specific poins... thread one... substitution of letters and numbers for words... is obivously not up to par... thread two... stating the VERY obvious... duh... it was not the topic, butthe presentation...

 

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  posted on 10/1/2005 at 02:38 AM
Oh just die...

 

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  posted on 10/1/2005 at 06:29 AM
so, if you understand and agree with what i said... then why are we arguing? Your article (very well written i might add) kinda proved what i was saying. Newbies come in and if they are don't fit right in they get flamed and hated because they are bumbling idiots. I fail to see what the problem with warning him/her is. if told that, any newbie no matter how dumb would naturally ask why and boom - they start learning right away. if they don't like what they learn then they go away before starting too much trouble or they stay and undergo 'baptism by fire.' of course this is only one of many logical outcomes to being warned.
 

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  posted on 10/1/2005 at 07:40 AM
I think the important thing you've missed is that it's not the newbies that fit right in that are accepted. It's the newbies that stand out. That's a pretty big distinction.

 

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  posted on 10/1/2005 at 04:01 PM
I come on every once in a while, a few times a week I guess. I also posted on another thread, I think it was something about a good band that you think should be recognized. I'm not sure. I will make my contrabutions(sp?) and all.
 

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  posted on 10/1/2005 at 05:58 PM
ah, i see what i have missed now. thus baptism by fire because (in my understanding) those who stand out are usually the more opinionated ones that will argue their point. i was thinking about this earlier and i think that when a new person comes on they first are an annoyance because of all the regular reasons etc. but if they stand out and hold their opinions etc they may be annoying at first but eventually they prove themselves worthy of having an opinion and are accepted. from one side it seems like the newbie went from annoying to learned but from another side it is not just the newbie that changed but the entire community shifted as well. every single person that comes through here alters things at least slightly so it is not that there is a community on the inside and some people on the outside are let in but the community is all of them good or bad and every time someone new comes along or one person's status with others in the community shifts the entire being evolves another layer... and now i have lost myself so i will stop talking. did anyone follow that?
 

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  posted on 10/1/2005 at 08:36 PM
i didn't understand what you just said... you are special

 

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  posted on 11/1/2005 at 03:16 AM
To expand on Devin's statement, it is not just necessary to stand out, it is necessary to stand out in a positive fashion. Any troll or noisy idiot can grab attention.

Let's put it this way. If you contribute something that adds to the value of the site, you end up valued. If you contribute something that detracts from the value of the site, you will not be valued, in fact, you will probably end up being chased away, eventually, if you are persistent enough in your negative contribution. If you just plain make a lot of contributions that don't mean anything to anyone, then everyone will get very, very sick of it, and probably end up swatting you like the buzzing mosquito you have become.

Obvious stupidity will be pointed out. Obvious trouble-making will be dealt with. Obvious worth will be commended. It's that simple.

You think the ones we like are the argumentative ones? Hardly. That's far from being the criteria. The ones we like are ones who can express themselves, through words or art, preferably both. Obviously, there are going to be differences of opinion and view, and the trial by fire occurs when those opinions are tested, and found to be well-thought-out and sound, and that the person can defend them without starting childish tantrums and name-calling. Able to argue your point, yes, but argumentative, most certainly no. Anyone who comes here just feeling argumentative has about a no-winged fly in a fly-swatter factory's chance of making it as an accepted Shmengling.

 

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  posted on 11/1/2005 at 06:57 AM
If you children can't stop squabbling,you won't be able to sit together any more.

 

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  posted on 13/1/2005 at 01:16 AM
^shush we're busy.

what i have seen seems like even a simple difference of opinion can make a newbie a mosquito because the community is not used to his or her presence or the change that he or she makes on the community but as the community gets used to the way said newbie presents things and the newbie learns how to present their opinions more carefully a medium emerges and all settle into the altered shmeng mode of operation.

many things can be seen as a detraction or contribution to the site although some are obviously detrations and some obviously contributions. for instance another "What is goth?" thread could have been a contribution to the site on the grounds that opinions are always changing and maybe there are new ideas to be brought out by new and old people but because the poster was a newbie and did not present it in a way that the shmenglings could accept it was shunned.

i apologise for the mistake, when i said argumentitive i meant what you said, the ones that can hold their opinion in the face of fire and brimstone etc.

 

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  posted on 13/1/2005 at 01:53 AM
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i apologise for the mistake, when i said argumentitive i meant what you said, the ones that can hold their opinion in the face of fire and brimstone etc.


Sorry to be ever-the-hair-splitter, but for pity's sake, don't think that merely "holding an opinion" is such a grand damned thing. Any idiot can form an "opinion" and nobody wants to hear it from them. An even greater idiot "holds their opinion" in the face of reasonable refutation (much less fire and/or brimstone).

Voice your conclusions and observations. Defend them as necessary, but be prepared to alter them in the face of sound argument and evidence to the contrary. Keep your damned opinions to yourself.

~M.

 

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