Bush got reelected, and the elephants control both the house and the
senate... We're in for a wonderful next four years. I'm kinda disappointed
that -this- is supposedly what the people wanted...
But then again, what with the current rift in the nation, maybe this will
egg more people over to the left...
Please submit your rants, discussions, death threats, etc. on the election
below.
(Note: Death threats probably wouldn't be a good idea...)
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Schizo
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posted on 3/11/2004 at 01:07 PM
This would have made me very happy once upon a time... *sigh* how time
changes people! Back in the day when I was conservative as they come, we
had a liberal in office. Now that I could properly appreciate that, we
have a conservative. Irony... Oh well, it's only four years, and as long
as martial law isn't invoked, we'll get another try. And it's not like our
alternative was that wonderful, anyway.
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VampCourt
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posted on 3/11/2004 at 01:08 PM
Im mostly just discusted that people voted for him the most.
WHY?!?!!?!?!?!?!?
hes done nothing good for us. at all.
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Starlight
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posted on 3/11/2004 at 01:40 PM
My husband and I voted for Kerry in the hopes that it would help to get GWB
Not re-elected. At least in our state he did not win, but unfortunately in
enough of the others he did. We also voted in vain against the ban on gay
marriages. My husband says he feels like there's no point in voting in any
further elections if all we end up doing is voting for the losing side, but
I told him that if nothing else at least we are showing that there is
another side to each issue and election.
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Ironboots
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posted on 3/11/2004 at 02:56 PM
Yeah, I couldn't believe the 'tards in my state that voted to ban gay
marriage, too. Fuckin' homophobic assholes... Early on in the election, I
thought there was no way a constitutional ban of gay marriage would pass.
People are pretty sane, right? They wouldn't go and legislate their
morality on other people and take away their rights, right?
Well, I guess I was fuckin' wrong.
I'm in the Anybody But Bush camp, too, but I didn't think Kerry was so much
different. I voted for Cobb, who got a whole 2% or something. Grr... When
the hell are Bert and Ernie gonna overthrow the government?
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Abbadon
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posted on 3/11/2004 at 03:00 PM
Why does nobody ever listen to me when I tell them that Americans are
stupid?
[Edited on 11/3/2004 by Abbadon]
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Ironboots
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posted on 3/11/2004 at 03:03 PM
Because its old news.
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Zero
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posted on 3/11/2004 at 04:26 PM
there's so much crap that sux about this... the new voters that came out to
vote beleiveing that crap they were fed about every vote matters probably
wont vote again. To tell the truth i didn't see the point in voting here in
the first place. I really don't get how people think....if a liberal did
the same things Bush did I'd be voting Republican.
I don't understand how poeple can have a one sided veiw on everything.
Hopefully Bush will fuck up so bad that we can impeach his ass. hey, maybe
an intern will suck HIS cock.
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Squire-of-Gothos
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posted on 3/11/2004 at 06:39 PM
Let it be known. Another president, once said this, and it is quite
apropriate: Today is a day that will live in infamy.
The greatest tragedy of my lifetime has befallen us, and we are now beneath
a great and dark shadow, cast from the fertid wings of a terrible gossomer
beast. A demon from hell, so vile that the underworld spat it upon us, like
a bloody and slimy abortion of something gravely unholy. I am literally in
fear and awe of the awsome horror this thing represents. It is not likely
that I can ever look at this time in my life with anything but grievous
mortal fear, and the unsettling feeling that though I was alive, aware, and
not prepared to back down and take it, all the same, I sat in my small
living space and watched as the vulture of depravity and insanity- too
terrible for Bielzebub himself- descended onto the throne of a fragile and
failing nation. All of it televised...all of it raped and pushed through
some extrusion wheel, leaving nothing but a dry and bitter paste, the ashes
of a fallen promise, a crushed ideal, and the sad sence of knowing that
human nature is replete with failure and mistakes. These events, and their
horrendous and inevitable consequences will not only act as an epitaph for
this nations demise, but as a rememberance of all of america's failures,
it's people included. Indeed, if time passes and the USA becomes but a
faint and distorted memory in the ides of time, this act, this abomination
of human morals and legislative function, this will be our gravestone; the
epitome, and perfect example, of all we stood for and how badly we crushed
and confused it..This marks the turn in a vicious road, and we all know
where it leads. We've all seen the face of evil, the hand of
destruction...the mirror image of our own filth magnified and humanized as
the president of this, the united states of america. United we stands,
united we fall, you say? You fear being dragged down by such a burden, a
terrible weight, when this country and all of it's people fall to their
knees? Don't cry...it's your fault.
Thanks a Mil', America.
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W0rmW00d
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posted on 4/11/2004 at 04:29 AM
i waited up all night watching the election coverage (damn time
differences) in the hope that i would watch a leader who wasnt going to
further destabilise this fucked up mess we call an international community
getting into power. thoroughout as the nice bbc men interviewed idiots i
heard a repeated message: 'we know what bush stands for but we dont know
what kerry stands for exactly, so we are going to vote for bush.'
is it just me or is that plain imbecilic? you KNOW what bush stands for but
you vote for him anyway because you arent sure about the other?
'vote for bush
keep the status quo
better a madman; the devil you know.'
ah well, at least he cant be reelected. maybe its satan boy dick cheneys
turn next or something.
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Domkitten
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posted on 4/11/2004 at 06:24 AM
Regardless of the results, and trust me I'm just as pissed as anyone, you
have to know that democracy is working.
Whether you like it or not more then 100 million people voted. Even though
the White House spin doctors like to say that this is the most popularly
elected president in history, you have t acknowledge the fact that in the
end it came down to about 3 million votes.
Now, lets be honest, tell me that you didn't know there were 59 million
idiots out there. We all knew it, we just thought they would be home
drinking beer and beating their wives, not voting. So it's a surprise that
they came out, but it was not the landslide that people would like ot make
it out to be.
In the end, the system is unfortunately working. Maybe today it is not in
our favor, but it has the potential to be. If you decided that because
this time your vote did not matter that you should be forever
disenfranchised, then you are giving into the the power that be.
Regardless, it counted, it will count again, you just have to keep trying.
And, I can to this conclusion after reflection and talking with Mono, who
was suprisingly levelheaded, and really helped to calm me down.
In the end all I can say is I know how my elders felt during the Regan
years...
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W0rmW00d
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posted on 4/11/2004 at 08:22 AM
democracy is NOT working. commercialism is working.
you think this election was won on issues? hardly. this election was won by
smear, counter-smear, platitudes and downright idiocy.
until party political adverts are banned there will be no true democracy,
just people seeing the flashier adverts with the better slogans. from what
i can tell this campaign was fought more over in iraq than it was in the
debates. the campaign was overshadowed by relentless underhand tactics on
the part of both nominees and in the end it was a case of all publicity is
good publicity.
people just simply didnt know what the candidates stood for apart from
bush-the same old shit, which for most of the people at home has been
roughly the same, i beleive.
come next year the same will be true in britain, but with one important
difference. it is unlikely that any british leader will start an outright
war within a year of election. britain just hasnt the power.
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pale-face
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posted on 4/11/2004 at 04:10 PM
Democracy never did work wormwood. it is a good idea in theory, but then
again communism was a good idea in theory. there is no way to make politics
work.
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W0rmW00d
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posted on 4/11/2004 at 04:15 PM
hey dude, i never said that it ever did work, i just said its not working.
and what you are thinking of as communism was far from communism. it was a
bastardised authoritarian dictatorship which is pretty fucking different to
the communism that i studied.
a rose by any other name would smell as sweet, similarly a shit-heap called
a rose still smells of shit.
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And the third angel sounded, and a troll army did descend upon the world.
Before the election my husband bought coping materials in preparation for
the worst. I intended to continue to drink for the next 4 years straight,
but then realised oh wait, I can't afford it the economy SUCKS. Greeat.
Oh well, I don't have the stomach for alcoholism anyway.
What makes me angry is the non-chalance with which people made their
decisions. It wasn't based on policy, what's good for the nation, what's
good for the world, our image with the world, our saftey or prosperity as a
country. What I heard was this. Wormwood you hit the nail on the head, so
I'll put yours first.
"Better the devil you know"
"It's not safe to change leaders during a 'conflict'"
"Kerry flipflops, but at least we know what bush is going to do"
"I vote by party only, so whatever"
"I didn't vote, it doesn't matter"
"The country isn't doing THAT bad, and I don't know what kerry is gonna
do"
This makes me sick. I don't care who anyone votes for, as long as they
vote in good conscience and for what they believe. People are allowed to
believe republican values, and allowed to think bush is don't 'what's
right'. What I hate is apathetic excuses for letting things go from bad to
worse. I'll also say right off that I didn't vote, not because I didn't
want to, but because I hadn't voted before, screwed up my absentee ballot,
thought I could just GO vote, couldn't do that cuz I couldn't get to a
polling place. Count me a retard and I'll second that tally. My state did
however go kerry, so it's not THAT bad (we almost always go demo,
regardless anyway). I'll know better next time but I'm still sore about
it. That out of the way, let's get on with the first "excuse".
"better the devil you know". Bullshit. BETTER the devil you KNOW?! If
you KNOW of the devil and he's doing a piss poor job, HOW is that better
than letting someone else take a swing? The devil you know is only good
for people who like bad news and bad sports and for causing trouble. I
don't know about anybody else, but that sounds like a goddamned copout.
Pussies.
"It's not safe to change leaders during a conflict". We changed leaders
during SEVERAL "conflicts" and it turned out FINE. Most recent, Bush #1
engaged in gulf war, got booted, Clinton ended it (I'm not saying he was
perfect but I don't want to talk about him, he's old news) and everything
was fine. Economy *check* World view *mostly, check* national saftey
*check*. With that most recently in mind, where do they get this and I'd
like historical evidence of leader changing during conflicts that were bad.
I'll eat my words if I'm wrong.
"Kerry flipflops and at least we know what bush is doing". Yeah, we know
what he's doing, he's systematically fucking up and working as the world's
largest meat puppet for those around him. Is Kerry saying that he's
pro-troops but anti-war flipflopping? I don't think so, I think he holds
the opinion that most of us do. They're doing a job they were sent to do,
and everyone wants it over and them home safely. I'd rather see a
"flip-flopper" who can see and take BOTH sides of an issue than a man
driving the nation like a team of horses with blinders on.
"I only vote by party, so whatever". Fucking idiots. Cowards too. Learn
something before you open your mouths or put your number 2 pencils to the
ballot. You get what you deserve.
"I didn't vote, it doesn't matter". IT SO DOES. Even just so that your
voice is heard. If everyone thought that way we'd be a dictatorship and
they'd just do it for you. You want that? Cuz I'll tell you what to do.
Piddle or get off the pot, you can't complain if you didn't at least
TRY.
"the country isn't doing THAT bad, and I don't know what Kerry is gonna
do".
Nobody does, because he hasn't had a shot at it. And the country is doing
TERRIBLY, are you blind? *I* don't know what kerry was going to do, but
honestly when the chips are down, I'd like a fresh batter up plz.
That's it for now. Have fun.
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angel_of_death
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posted on 5/11/2004 at 05:05 AM
i am an aussie... and was mad enough when john howard got back in... i know
i have no say in the war, but i am upset bush got back in, cause its aussie
soilders over there to...
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Lestat
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posted on 5/11/2004 at 10:09 AM
I'm an Aussi aswell me and my brother where watching CNN in the afternoon
since the vote race began Somehow as Bush began to win I gradually
remembered the starting lines of that song, civil war of guns and roses
"What we've got here is failure to communicate. SOme man you just can't
reach. which is the way he wants it, well he gets it" Everyone was like
but how did he win? like Betty said my brother kinda said the same thing
all the young ppl hwhere Kerry's support and everyone must've been like
"there's lot of ppl whoa re gonna vote there's no reason for me to vote"
hehe and everyone did that so nobody voted..shcheisse! The world is in the
hands of that guy..ugh and my brother said like "Man Its gonna suck that we
have success with the band during this asshole's reign" There was some ppl
here syaing "No but if Bush wins its better for Colombia " I wa slike "If
Kerry wins its better for the world, and without a world where does that
leave Colombia? lol" *sigh*.
I hope this doesn't go as worng as I think it will be.
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Monolycus
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posted on 5/11/2004 at 11:05 AM
I've been hesitant to post anything here because I feel the election itself
was divisive enough. After some consideration, though, I'll go ahead and
throw my thoughts on the pile in the unlikely event that they will be of
any benefit.
Many commentators have suggested that what swung the election was a case of
"moral values", which is a nice euphemism for beliefs and prejudices. It
is probably not a coincidence that 11 states ran a single issue (gay
marriage) that could not but bring out hardcore conservatives in droves to
the polls. People on the left, alas, simply don't (and never have) do much
more than talk... for all the observations about record turnout at the
polls, I have met many people who oppose the present administration but
couldn't be bothered to vote (or even register to vote) for any of various
reasons (which is a nice euphemism for excuses).
In keeping with the election's theme of beliefs and prejudices, though, I
think that people's responses to the election are as revealing as the
election results themselves. Simply: you either have faith in democracy or
you don't. Being pro-democracy only when the majority is on your side is
not a tenable position, and if you don't believe in it, then why are you
wasting time bitching about the results? I have butted heads with people
here over many of my Marxist views in the past, although my position is
evolving due to my diminishing faith in the judgement of the people (when
you get down to brass tacks, theoretical communism is the only truly
"democratic" system).
But this is what we are down to. If you believe in democracy, then you
must adjust to the fact that your priorities are in the minority in the
USA. If you don't believe in democracy, then your "analyses" of what "went
wrong" here are superfluous and unwelcome. This does seem to be the theme
of Election '04, though. Apparently, people on all sides of the political
spectrum find it more expedient to legislate their values than to lead by
example.
your faithful servant,
~Wolf.
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Ironboots
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posted on 5/11/2004 at 12:02 PM
Thought-provoking, Mono... I'm always in favor of giving more power to the
people, but its times like this that make me doubt whether its a good idea
or not. A democratic election doesn't decide which is the right choice,
rather just which choice is more popular... (I guess elementary school
student government -did- teach me something about democracy...)
But then who can be sure what the 'right' choice is, anyway. Everybody has
their own idea of what 'right' is. So maybe my griping is pointless, since
there will never be a system that works right. Maybe city-state anarchism?