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  posted on 23/9/2004 at 01:16 PM
REpost!: If you are 18-26...you're fucked! repost or pass on please.
Body: Mandatory draft for boys and girls (ages 18-26) starting June 15, 2005, is something that everyone should know about. This literally effects everyone since we all have or know children that will have to go if this bill passes.
There is pending legislation in the house and senate (companion bills: S89 and HR 163) which will time the program's initiation so the draft can begin as early as spring, 2005, just after the 2004 presidential election. The administration is
quietly trying to get these bills passed now, while the public's attention is on the elections, so our action on this is needed immediately. Details and links follow. This plan, among other things, eliminates higher education as a shelter and includes women in the draft. Also, crossing into Canada has already been made very difficult.
Actions:
Please send this on to all the parents and teachers you know, and all the aunts and uncles, grandparents, godparents. . . And let your children know - - it's their future, and they can be a powerful voice for change!
This legislation is called HR 163 and can be found in detail at this website:
http://thomas.loc.gov/

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this was posted through livejournals and i wanted to share this with you guys.. what are your opinions? do you find this to be fucked up? i certainly do...

I mean, quietly passing this while people are paying attention to the elections.. how messed up is that? sneaky??? why yes. that would be our goverment..

[Edited on 9/23/2004 by VampCourt]

 

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  posted on 23/9/2004 at 02:53 PM
They have been trying to pass a mandatory draft bill for years. Just a few politicians being assholes. I certainly hope it isn't passed. I'd rather get the shit kicked out of me than join. Screw you guys, I'm going home.

 

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  posted on 23/9/2004 at 02:56 PM
this is not a draft bill but amandatory service bill...
and it is scarey

 

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  posted on 23/9/2004 at 03:36 PM
Well, I fall into that category. If it passes, nice knowing you all.

 

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  posted on 24/9/2004 at 01:36 AM
read the bill

 

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  posted on 24/9/2004 at 02:01 AM
That is horrible. It is so incredibly wrong for our government to try to sneak a bill past us that would so deeply affect so many people. I know it's nothing new, but I still feel betrayed. Someone should post a link where people can find the information to write to their congressmen and protest. If I can find something, I'll post it.

I don't usually get involved in politics, because I find the whole kit and caboodle sickening, Democrat, Republican, and all. But this is something that even Schizo is pissed enough about to fight for. I'm going to try to spread the word at work. No one there has any idea that this is going down.

Damn.

 

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  posted on 24/9/2004 at 09:05 AM
I'm sorry, Mandatory Service Bill. My mind was in the right place but it surely didn't type the right thing. If this passes and I am in Hawaii, since it has been declared seperate from the US can I declare myself a citizen of Hawaii?

 

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  posted on 24/9/2004 at 10:11 AM
HI uses US curency... and is still via constitutional amendment considered a state...

 

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  posted on 24/9/2004 at 12:12 PM
i also heard they had a bill in canada, making it able to draft people in canada as well.. im not sure if this is true or not.. might have to do some research..

but if so.. have fun running to canada as well

 

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  posted on 24/9/2004 at 01:01 PM
I read that somewhere too Court. Hrm...where to run to....?

 

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  posted on 24/9/2004 at 05:26 PM
i say fuck it. put my ass in jail. im willing to get killed someday. but not for that. Not at all.

 

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  posted on 25/9/2004 at 02:14 AM
the bill states military or some OTHER form of acceptible service...

 

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  posted on 25/9/2004 at 07:49 AM
Yeah, and it also says that the President gets to decide what is acceptable, and who gets the non-military service. Scarey...

 

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  posted on 25/9/2004 at 08:55 AM
I don't know for sure if it's true or not...but i heard somewhere that you can get out of service by declaring yourself a conscientious objector....is that true??

Oh yeah. I was trying to convince someone to vote but i really couldn't come up with a good reason why someone should vote. Can you guys help me out?

 

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  posted on 25/9/2004 at 11:10 AM
Zero the threat of draft, or death dose not really work with today's voters. Instead tell them they will never get to go online again. Just remind them of when the Vietnam vets returned home.

Also has anyone else thought of running to the happiest place on earth Tijuana, Mexico if Canada fails?

 

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  posted on 25/9/2004 at 12:01 PM
I had thought of Cancun. Hide out there for a few years and get as Mexican food as I can stand. Luckily in traditional mexican food dairy was not used so much. Most of the cows were originally just used for breeding and for beef. They didn't have enough for dairy purposes. I'd also happily move to Australia or New Zealand. Yummy girls with nice accents.

 

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  posted on 26/9/2004 at 12:09 PM
Personally, I think if there is a draft, then it SHOULD be across the board, men and women alike. But MANDATORY service? Excuse me, I'll be brushing up on my spanish..

 

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  posted on 26/9/2004 at 02:52 PM
I am so wholly glad I'm not in the USA right now, sucks to be you guys. Come and hop over the ocean. Blair's pathetic, but I don't think we have mandatory service legislation. Yet.

 

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  posted on 26/9/2004 at 03:53 PM
I was thinking about England the other day. How are the laws and how is Blair? That might just be an easier escape, unless they somehow are blindsided by Bush's stupidity and send back service dodgers.

 

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  posted on 26/9/2004 at 10:22 PM
Zero: If you are seriously considering being a Conscientious Objector (or if anyone else is), then there are several websites that can point you in the direction you would need to go. Here are a few of them:

http://www.military.com/Resources/ResourceFileView?file=Selective_Service_C onscientious.htm

http://www.objector.org/

http://www.oz.net/~vvawai/general/co-info.html

 

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