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pale-face
Fanatic   Posts: 478 Registered: 22/9/2004 Status: Offline
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posted on 22/9/2004 at 02:38 PM |
i must say (if only to get this if my chest) that i believe souly in karma.
in my opinion karma is the only non-tangable thing there is. no god, no
almighty, just karma.
let me know what you think about that. ____________________
fucking classy.
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feralucce
Extreme Fanatic   Posts: 1810 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 22/9/2004 at 04:46 PM |
| you are a spiritual atheist... not a problem... ____________________
The earth turns on a tilted axis - just doing the best it can.
Hohenheim of Light~Full Metal Alchemist
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angel_of_death
Member   Posts: 119 Registered: 4/4/2004 Status: Offline
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posted on 22/9/2004 at 09:46 PM |
quote:
i believe souly in karma.
in my opinion karma is the only non-tangable thing there is. no god, no
almighty, just karma.
karma raises the same questions as God... where does he come from, how does
he work... etc etc... how do u answer those questions...? ____________________
I know whats it like to want to die, how it hurts to smile, how you try to
fit in but you can't, how you hurt yourself on the outside, to try to kill
the pain in the inside.
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Schizo
Extreme Fanatic  Posts: 897 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 23/9/2004 at 02:37 AM |
I would like to believe in Karma (what's not to like about Karma? Bad guys
get shit, and good guys get nice stuff), but I'm not sure. I mean, there
are wonderful people who go through horrible things all their life. Yeah,
some bring it on themselves by being spineless or whatever, but not always.
And some horrible people have all they could ever ask for. Yeah, a lot of
them have shitty relationships and stuff like that, but again, not
always.
I think maybe people create their own "Karma", by setting themselves up for
success and failure. Life just naturally generates a random collection of
enjoyable and just-plain-sucky events. People respond to them according to
the quality of their character. Honest people respond with honesty, kind
people with kindness, strong people with strength. Manipulative people try
to manipulate things, weaklings let it bend them over backwards, and
vindicative people try to hurt back. Handled correctly, even the most
difficult situation can benefit you, and handled poorly, even the most
beautiful experience can turn sour.
Of course, a lot of what life throws at you depends on other people's
decisions concerning what life threw at them. Most people tend to dish out
what they've been given. So if you treat people with kindness, honesty,
respect and fairness, you are more likely to get those things in return,
thus providing you with a nicer life. And if you're mean, dishonest,
disrespectful and unfair, then people either are going to treat you the
same way, or start avoiding you. Or else, they're spineless wimps that are
going to keep giving you everything you ask.
So, nice, strong people want to surround themselves with other nice, strong
people for mutual support to obtain optimum "Karma". And nasty people want
to surround themselves with nice, weak people. I think, in the long run,
these are the people who will get the most of what they want.
But some sort of mystical force that dishes out candy to the good and warts
to the bad? I'm not so sure about that. Sounds like wishful thinking to
me. ____________________
"You can tell by the scars on my arms and the cracks in my hips and the
dents in my car and the blisters on my lips that I'm not the carefullest of
girls." - Dresden Dolls, "Girl Anachronism"
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feralucce
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 1810 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 23/9/2004 at 02:43 AM |
| who says it's mystical... you are a fuck head, you get treated as one...
basically, uoi get what you give... ____________________
The earth turns on a tilted axis - just doing the best it can.
Hohenheim of Light~Full Metal Alchemist
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Schizo
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 897 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 23/9/2004 at 03:02 AM |
| Except some people get without giving, and some people give without
getting, which is just plain life. So it's a combo of the two. And the
thing to do is put yourself in the position where you are giving what you
should, and getting what you deserve, without trusting to some force of
Karma to do it for you. To many people use that as reason to sit around
and not take responsibility for themselves. If Karma exists, fine. But if
it doesn't, I'm already doing what is in my power to make a good life for
myself. ____________________
"You can tell by the scars on my arms and the cracks in my hips and the
dents in my car and the blisters on my lips that I'm not the carefullest
of
girls." - Dresden Dolls, "Girl Anachronism"
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callei
Extreme Fanatic  Posts: 759 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 23/9/2004 at 06:05 AM |
Tech'nically, bad stuff happens because you did bad stuff last life time,
or the time before that, or in some cases because you will do bad stuff
next life time, or because you need bad stuff to help you grow. Ditto for
good stuff. But Isnt Karma supposed to be more and do more than Xian
"punishment" and "reward"? Isnt it supposed to help show you where you are
going?(car breaks down to keep you from going on a really bad date, bank
makes an error in your favor the day your paycheck is delayed, random
stranger smiles at you when you need to see a smile?)
____________________
Real goths wear silver and crosses to keep the werewolves and vampires
away.
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Monolycus
Fanatic  Posts: 580 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 23/9/2004 at 08:51 AM |
Wah. I really need to keep from butting my head in here, but...
"Karma" is originally a sanskrit word. It literally means "action",
nothing more. There is nothing mystical about this, and people as early as
Isaac Newton understood that for every karma, there is an equal and
opposite karma. The problem that arises for the Buddhists (currently the
great espousers of the doctrine of karma) is that sometimes people are
dealt a bad hand at birth which they could in no way be held personally
responsible for. The belief in transmigration of souls reconciles this, as
it can always be said that we live in a just Universe and a baby born with
a deformity really did have it coming because of something they did prior
to their being born. It's a comforting thought, but I don't believe we
live in a just Universe.
I do believe, however, that we are capable of learning and growing from
those things that we find "bad", and that, therefore, strife is as
important (or even more important) than comfort and luxury. "Every pearl
was formed from an irritation". We are inclined to make life easier, but
if we eliminated bad things, we would all be emotional and intellectual
infants. There's a balance to be found here which is why the terms
"good"and "bad"do not have a great deal of meaning to me.
I believe that your actions (karma) each have consequences, but I do not
think this is a matter of faith or a question of profound theological
magnitude. Just try not to add to the crap in the world because it's the
right thing to do, and make the most of what comes to you without giving
every happenstance an arbitrary value. That's my take on it.
~M. ____________________
"I believe that woman is planning to shoot me again."
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Schizo
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 897 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 23/9/2004 at 05:34 PM |
Good insight, Mono, and thanks for the info. on the origin of the word.
I've been thinking about it lately, mostly because Michael's ex is trying
the whole "things happen for a reason" line, to try to blame our recent car
trouble and health issues on the way she thinks we mistreated her. That's
so whacked. Life isn't a reward or a punishment. It's just life. Some
things happen because of mistakes we made, sure, and some because we made
good decisions, but some of it is just damned arbitrary, and all of it ends
up being what we make of it. No matter how nasty and hard and unpleasant
an experience can be, it can always be used to our benefit, to strengthen
us in some way. We can use it to improve our position mentally,
emotionally, financially, physically, or some other way, if we are smart
and wise and strong enough to handle things right. And conversely, things
that seem all nice and happy on the surface, can sometimes be the very
thing that destroys us, simply because we misused the opportunity. When it
comes right down to it, yes the car trouble was inconvenient, but now both
vehicles are repaired, and run even better than when we bought them. And
the breakdown in my health is forcing me to take care of myself, before it
gets even more serious. So what appeared to be almost curse-like in its
timing, and what the ex gleefully took for karmic retribution, was actually
the kick in the pants that booted us to a better place.
So, I guess what I'm saying it, karma is not as obvious or cut-and-dried as
some people would like to believe, and hard and unpleasant does not always
equal bad. Being a decent person doesn't mean that life will be easy for
you, it just means that you are better equipped to turn all of life's
events to your eventual benefit.
And who knows, maybe I'll earn a cushy life next time around! *sigh*
____________________
"You can tell by the scars on my arms and the cracks in my hips and
the
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dents in my car and the blisters on my lips that I'm not the carefullest
of
girls." - Dresden Dolls, "Girl Anachronism"
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pale-face
Fanatic Posts: 478 Registered: 22/9/2004 Status: Offline
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posted on 23/9/2004 at 08:21 PM |
good call Mono. but the origins of a word are not always what have come to
be known as by the general population of people unfortunately. i had made
the same mistake, knowing karma simply as the sort of childish thinking
that bad guys gat bad things.
and yes some things (as Schizo pointed out) are not within our control what
so ever.
(to be honest I’m surprised i got a discussion as big as this for a simple
statement like the one i posted) ____________________
fucking classy.
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