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  posted on 26/8/2004 at 10:37 PM
Giant squids are GNARLY. I watched a couple shows on the science channel about those last week. They've not only had pieces of them hauled onto boats and washed onshore, but someone caught an infant one that was 6 feet long. They also had a whale carcass on the beach that had sucker wounds that were 6" diameter.

The only other "giant" beast found in about every single culture (save islands without forests or large mountains) is the "wild man" beast, sasquatch, yeti, etc. It is theorized that either they exist and are as solitary a beast as gigantipithicus and just as secretive, or that it is a racial memory of the megafauna we breifly shared the earth with thousands of years ago. In australia there was an enormous landbound reptile (imagine a smaller version of the mutated beast from that terrible movie "alligator") that would easily inspire hundreds of years of tale-telling of "dragons". As the landmasses were once joined, it's possible that this creature existed breifly in Asia and Europe before the ice age took over, and while humans were around, and spawned enough stories of this massive fearful beast to last to today's time in the form of a fearsome "dragon".

 

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  posted on 27/8/2004 at 12:15 AM
Bettie: no we don't go again... it's a waste of hard drive space... and we dimply hard delete that shit

 

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  posted on 27/8/2004 at 04:20 AM
quote:
hence the reason I clarified my post... though I must admit... it reinforces my point about a certain level of intelligence being required here... I have checked with seceral other members... the progression was logical, and obvious...

[Edited on 8/26/2004 by feralucce]
That brings us back to the point that nobody thinks the same way, so how can you presume that we knew what you were talkin about.

Yah gnarly is a good word for those giant squids. They are cool, sooo mysterious, yet there is proof that they exist, unlike a lot of other beast out there.

[Edited on 27/8/2004 by Moinlen_Drigenu]

 

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  posted on 27/8/2004 at 04:29 AM
In response, I can only say this - "I rest my case"

 

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  posted on 27/8/2004 at 08:44 AM
I wanna see a full grown one. I don't care to see a sasquatch, but it would be cool. My sister in law's husband is TERRIFIED of sasquatch. He refuses to go camping ANYWHERE in washington.

 

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  posted on 27/8/2004 at 06:16 PM
i think i might have been unlcear.
the dudes mentioned by feral are indeed crazy amalgamations and gigantic non-reptile creatures from all around the worlds cultures, but they are all very different. there isnt a consistency which was what i was pointing out about the dragon myth.
kali is a humanoid deity, although i can see where all the others come in she seems a little out of place, apart from the six arms of course. just a side note there, am i missing something?
sasquatch i dont think of as a gigantiform (isnt that a great word) creature. at under ten feet there have been humans that big. also a big hairy man in the woods is an easy myth to place. it could be as simple as sometimes people go to live in the woods. occasionally hey are big, sometimes they are hairy too.
on another note, what do people think of the racial memory thing? it is a neat explanation but i have always been slightly skeptical about the idea of a memory 'hardwired' into a species' brain.

 

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  posted on 27/8/2004 at 07:57 PM
I think racial memory does exist, not totally hardwired into our genes, but does come into play as prevalent "theories/myths" in every culture. Perhaps racial memory isn't exactly what I mean, but it is close enough. I DO believe in "collective unconscious" and sort of "shared" consciousness between people or creatures not within communications reach of each other. Perhaps this is more to play that racial memory. I remember reading a study how scientists had three islands, two with identical primate populations. The islands were good distances apart, and non human primates well, can't communicate and can't really swim. The main food source were sweet potatoes, and one day one primate watched the scientist washing a sweet potato in the ocean to salt it and clean it, and within a week that one monkey had the whole island doing the same. Prior to the one "monkey see monkey do", NONE of the primates on either island were washing the potatoes first, and within 3 months of each other with NO contact between them, BOTH primate populations were washing potatoes instead of eating them dirty.

As for "wild men" and gigantipithicus, GP wasn't that TALL, but they were LARGE, much larger than the tallest human. The "wild man" myth isn't just wild hairy Mowglies at peace with everything in the jungle but Khan, but "missing links" or "subhuman" intelligent wildlife. This too could be just another "racial memory" or "collective unconsciousness" or stories of where we came from brought to life through tale telling that evolved into a man beast, not quite human but smarter than the average super intelligent chimpanzee. If I ever run into one, I'll let you know. If it doesn't run off with me to mate, that is

 

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  posted on 30/8/2004 at 11:33 PM
or, of course, wash you in sea water and eat you, precipitating copycat behaviour by the yeti, abominable snowmen worldwide, and Mr. Sasquatch.
i personally do not beleive in the shared consciousness as such and think there must be an explanation out there as yet unknown (obviously), but that is an interesting story. i shall think on this and get back with a possible alternate explanation if i can think of one better than my usual 'possible electromagnetic interference' idea which i think ive expounded elsewhere on this site. dont hold your breath though, im sure that the other people who have studied it were cleverer than me. or at least had better resources to study.

 

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  posted on 10/11/2004 at 02:32 PM
... I thought the discussion was about dragons? well, moving from mythology to reality one can assume that the komodo dragon plays an intricate part in this progression. or even the crocodile and aligator, or celocanth (spelling?) prehistoric creatures still alive today may proove that mythology has some standing in reality.
the krakken or the giant squid, more mythology to reality.

.... and feral, when you mentioned kitsune that just threw me for a loop, mostly because a kitsune from japanese mythology was a fox demon who would take over the body of a young maiden in order to cause havoc upon the human race... it was more of a shape shifter than anything else.

 

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  posted on 10/11/2004 at 06:55 PM
Linn: *what? I was referring to fantastic creatures... I know what kitsune are... but I was just pointing out that there are fantastic creatures in all the culture's involved..

 

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  posted on 10/11/2004 at 07:25 PM
Hahahahaaa, It's funny that I found this. I had been burdened since the beginning of September until two days ago, by this guy that was staying here who believed he was a dragon. His feet smelled like a dragon's ass. I don't know why or if he even realizes it, but after he left it took two cans of airfreshner/deoderizer, half a container of tropical breeze carpet cleaner/deoderizer, some incense and some candles to get that room smelling decent again. It's like the stench stained everything in the room he stayed in and everywhere he walked he left a trail of this stench. It was soooo nasty.

So, to answer your question. A real dragon, physically, is a symbol of power and enchanted beauty. Mentally, it's that creeps smelly feet.

 

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  posted on 21/12/2004 at 10:22 AM
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What does a dragon symbolise for different people?


my first assosiation is fourteen year olds newly goths who like dragons and chocolate and the moon and bad poetry.
:)

 

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  posted on 23/12/2004 at 03:42 AM
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What does a dragon symbolise for different people?
Whether it be nothing, something of a myth, or something else.



When I was a child, one of our family friends brought some books and his beliefs about dragons with him for a visit. He believed that dragons were able to shift into the background of forested areas and mountains, and that they are all around us if we know how to look for them. I don't remember if he meant they were chameleon-like, or if they were able to morph into the landscape somehow, but I loved dragons from as far back as I can remember. His talks about them only fed my interest in them.

I think of dragons as perhaps interdimensional creatures of some sort. Mythical, legendary, and real all at the same time. I think they symbolize freedom and strength. I think they are very protective by nature. Fierce against their foes, and protective of their friends. I don't they are essentially good or bad, as there are both good and bad ones in different myths and legends. So I think since they are generally perceived as either very large creatures or creatures that can grow to a large size, they symbolize a fierce strength and command respect.

 

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  posted on 24/12/2004 at 10:34 PM
I have mixed feelings. I see the Chinese style of dragon as being bad luck, mostly because my Chinese sign is the Dog, and the Dragon is supposed to be a bad mix for me.

I see the European version to be misunderstood. To me, it's the gentle beast. The one with the ability to cause great destruction, but is really quite peaceful.

I actually have a necklace, which I used to wear all of the time, which was given to me by my uncle. He gave me a dragon wrapped around a lapis pendulum. His nickname was "Dragon" in Korean.

 

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