This forum is long overdue. Nobody has been telling the new people when
they're being annoying, and nobody has been naming names. I realize it
seems like the nice thing to do - being all diplomatic and shit - but it's
not nice. You're letting people go on thinking they're doing everything
right when in fact, they're being completely annoying. They have no cause
to figure out what they're doing wrong and fix it. They need some tough
love to remind them that they are being dorks. Tough love is a good thing.
It is not mean. You are not mean by smacking them. If they say you're
mean, then you've done your job and it is now up to them to either fix it
or run away all huffy.
I'll start with an example, but since I couldn't come up with a better one,
I'll use an excerpt from an excellent post by schizo (you should go read
the whole thing)
quote:
Fairy of Darkness, this website is not your little personal playground, and
we the members are not here for your amusement. We are not here to train
you, we are not here for your benefit, unless you are here for ours. You
are not contributing anything, and you are annoying people who ARE
contributing much of value. Don't for a moment think that you are "not a
newbi". I shudder when I see your name on a post, because I know that lack
of substance is ahead. And often, what's more, just plain irritating
attempts to be cute. But you're not cute. You're annoying, more like a
mosquito of darkness than a fairy.
____________________ So Sayeth Me
IamSquid
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Posts: 658 Registered: 27/5/2002 Status: Offline
posted on 4/7/2004 at 01:38 PM
Our Lord Devin who art in Heaven is right, we've needed a thread like this
for quite some time (although the Karma-Free Zone might be a better place
since there will inevitably be conlfict that people will take
personally).
Squire of Gothos: My first impression of yoo is that yoo were a
racist dick of a troll. Yoo seem to have calmed down a bit and that's an
improvement but it seems like yor compensating by kissing ass. Ass kissing
inevitably annoys mee and probably most of us here (or at least thats the
impression I get).
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i wanted to die, and then it progressed into wanting everyone else to
die so i could watch, and then me die.
-ickgirl
callei
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posted on 4/7/2004 at 02:18 PM
shoudl we keep it to people that have been trolling in say the last month?
or can we take it back farther if we suspect they are still lurking? im
working on my list here and i want to know who to cut so the post doesnt
become too long)
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IamSquid
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posted on 4/7/2004 at 03:26 PM
My interpritation is that we address anything we see as issues.
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i wanted to die, and then it progressed into wanting everyone else to
die so i could watch, and then me die.
-ickgirl
Domkitten
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posted on 4/7/2004 at 05:09 PM
I say roast em, roast em all and let someone else's isp sort them out.
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Domkitten
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posted on 4/7/2004 at 05:22 PM
I can't take it anymore I can no longer sit on my hands and tolerate Zero.
Although incredibly loud mouthed, and interested in participating, I've yet
to see you say anything, anything at all, that was interesting, insightful,
or challenging. It's one thing to be learning, to try to establish a
comfortable place in a pre-existing world, but your just a shade of gray.
You fade into the background and make no identifable remark. Contribute
something worthwhile and maybe people will want to pay more attention to
you.
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IamSquid
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posted on 4/7/2004 at 06:21 PM
Oh yeah... Anya, I'm flattered, really I am. But please cut it out.
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i wanted to die, and then it progressed into wanting everyone else
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die so i could watch, and then me die.
"feralucce. a commonly osed phrase: 'you cant please every one'. or in this
instance you. so with that said, i would only like to say, thank you for
your hate."
Posted 1 lame thread... it was not recieved well and went to the "pity me"
phase of troll dom... NOW
he refuses to accept that a) michael needs to read the site... b)I am not
being hateful - just territorial and c) that his responses only exacerbate
the problem.
____________________ The earth turns on a tilted axis - just doing the best it can.
I second Zero... while I have seen some quality thought come forth... it
was only in chat... and he tends to jump in to defend the clueless... and
he has not earned that yet... also... the only quality thought he has
posited was in the chat room... I would have loved to have seen it
elsewhere...
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gothicmorman
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posted on 4/7/2004 at 07:17 PM
i am not usually one to take enough initiative to actually dislike someone
but i would have to agree that fairy of darkness is annoying. in the recent
article "Age before Beauty" i was reading along quite happily until i came
to her post. i am not saying high spirits and energy is bad, in fact there
is a lot of good energetic people on this site, neither am i saying that
everything should be spelled right, i have terrible spelling not to point
out iamsquid's "mee" and "yoo" but the excessive puncuation and purposful
bad spelling is cool when you are 11 and 12 talking to 11 and 12 year old
friends, not on shmeng. it is more like a rant than a point.
it went like this:
"i loved it! great job! i love tha part about the gray hair, and i agree
totally.. whats so bad about gray hair? i find it very pretty on the pplz
the age for it ^_^ i honestly dont wee why ppl constaly worry about how
they look.....yeah, so a little bit of make up now and then or even
alot....or dying (SP?) yur hair for fun, or yu love the color......thats
different than, OMG!!! IM GETTING OLD AND FAT!!! I NEED TO GO SPEND MY
MONEY BECAUSE IM MARRIED, GOT KIDS, AND NO ONE REALLY CARES HOW I LOOK!!!!
LOL...sry...kinda hyper...... "
i am sorry if i seem cynical but that is what shmeng is about, cynical
indulgence, and if i may point out i am not the only one who feels this
way, not to mention that there is prolly just as many people that have
thought i am an idiot as well...
Squid... nay... you have always made posts with thought and attempted to
express yourself in a concise manner... I wouldna shut up and I wouldna go
away... but I don't think I was ever a pet... I may be overly agressive and
mouthy... but I don't speak unless I have thought about it and I work to
express myself in more than grunts and gestures...
One member actually gave me a compliment... "I am surprised by and admire
the stability of your ethos, you lack of wavering."
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Alugarde
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Posts: 185 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
posted on 5/7/2004 at 01:30 AM
The only reason I even remembered this is because I happened to look at the
"Who's online" sidebar and saw the name of the source of my annoyance
listed there. In the "Women are evil, men are dumb animals" thread, I was
quite put off by Angel of Death's "Look at me! I, and by extension every
woman on the planet, and by extension every man on the planet, am an evil
psychobitch. Neat! Wow, it's fun being evil. Everyone's evil, hurray!"
attitude. Sorry, but I never really got the appeal of being evil. Being a
gamer, I'm more accustomed to smiting it with some sort of sword or holy
spell.
Sorry Angel, but this whole "wallowing in my own decadence and loving it"
thing is just kind of lost on me. To use a cliche, "you catch more flies
with honey than with vinegar", and it's clear you've aqcuired a taste for
vinegar. My advice to you is to go buy a jar of honey, preferably in a jar
shaped like a bear.
And, finally, as an attempt to offer constructive criticism, I would guess
(repeat: guess), that your sense of pride in your own self-proclaimed
decadance comes from a vague sense that certain things considered wrong are
right, that certain things considered right are wrong, and a general
inability to shake off the chains of societies views on what is right or
wrong. I have no problems with the things I do because I've sat down,
thought about them, and come to logical conclusions that are consistant
with my framework of beliefs. My advice to you would be to go read the
Devin's article on Tweekytime, and start tweeking. I would guess (repeat:
guess) that you're heading in the right direction, you've just got an
incredibly bad justification behind it.
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Schizo
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posted on 5/7/2004 at 02:52 AM
Squid and Feral, there is NO way either of you are pets. Squid is our evil
mascot (which is a far cry from being a pet), and Feral is our personal
giant, complete with club and spiked boots. If you are pets, then you are
site-wide pets, not some individual's pets.
I certainly hope, however, that this forum isn't going to turn into petty
bickering and name-calling by the masses. I expected Feral to be here, of
course, and Squid has his point, although I'm still not sure what to think
of SOG (wow, sorry about the initials!) Domkitten, although Zero doesn't
irritate me to the point that he does you, when I think about it, he is
very enthusiastic, but really hasn't contributed. Just gone on and on
about sex. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing on this website, but we
prefer to match it with contributions on other lines. Just to show the
difference between a sex-enthusiast and the sex-crazed.
I had hoped to find more established members making their objections.
Gothicmormon and Alugarde - although I have nothing against you, I really
don't feel like I know you, and I know you both have been around for a
while, so I wonder why. Perhaps I should make a search of your articles
and postings. My question is, why wait until now to object? Both examples
you have given happened some time ago. Why did you not deal with it then
and there?
The others here have never needed the backing of Devin to be brave enough
to speak their mind. Devin, as the deity, has always been able to say
whatever the hell he wanted, though he always does with grace. It's never
been a secret that Squid has a legitimate issue with Squire. Domkitten is
not one to pussy-foot around (no pun intended), and we all know Feral!
Even I got where I did on this site by my original troll-beating prowess
(originally).
This is not a place for everyone with an irritation to come vent. This is
a place for the well-established to re-awaken their right to reclaim
Shmeng.
And, by the way, the well-established are not necessarily those that have
been here the longest. Some can become well-established in a week, some
can be here for years and never quite make it.
To be honest, I don't know where you stand. I don't even know that I
object to your posts per se. Just, something makes me nervous. Maybe if I
can see that you can identify a troll or twit in the proper situation, deal
with it with style and without the direct sanction of Devin, then I will
feel better.
Though let me say, I agree heartily with both of your picks.
____________________ "You can tell by the scars on my arms and the cracks in my hips and the
dents in my car and the blisters on my lips that I'm not the carefullest of
girls." - Dresden Dolls, "Girl Anachronism"
Scizo: as usual, you manage to cover something that should be understood
and yet may not be. "This is not a place for everyone with an irritation to
come vent. This is a place for the well-established to re-awaken their
right to reclaim Shmeng."
I will say that I started out with a laundry list... and most of it... is
gone now... *grins* cause I was just gonna rail on about those that I found
annoying... but I realized what you said right before you said it...
Twit versus troll... I honestly think, that a twit can be loved... and will
learn from this forum... but a troll will just a)keep going, or b) run
away... BUT, BUT, BUT... if a twit doesna wanna learn and gets his/her
feelings bruised and flees... it is little skin off my ass, as they are not
contributing either way...
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Something my father once said to me stikes a note here...
"I fought for your right to speak, and the frfeedom to think, say and do
what you wanted... But it's my house, and my rules... I'll be damned if you
will speak like that in my living room and disrespect the things held dear
in this house."
From him to me... Ironically... this was at thanksgiving, when I told him I
was a social anarchist... the intent was not worth conveying, but the
statement holds a bit of primal power that I feel sums this situation up...
to a T
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callei
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Posts: 759 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
posted on 5/7/2004 at 08:37 AM
Worthless Liar
Just fucking die already. give up your computer walk out onto the ice. DONT
ever send me what you think is porn but is instead some horrible fan
fiction about getting to talk to a pretty girl. Dont send me any thing
about your "views" on pool. I dont care what you think about pants. And
face it, you dont speak english. other English speakers could understand
what you say if you really did. You are not cool or hot. you are tempid and
banal.
____________________ Real goths wear silver and crosses to keep the werewolves and vampires
away.