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Author: Subject: It's a troll if....

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  posted on 3/7/2004 at 08:23 PM
This is bouncing off of MRD's excellent game, which I still haven't responded too because I can't think of anything good yet that hasn't been said but I'm working on it.

Essentially, we are here to disect the nature of the troll. Goodness knows we have a lot of them, but as a group, as in Us against Them has stated, the lines have become blurred and we don't know where they begin and we end. So, perhaps this will help to put the them back in them, and the us back in shmeng (although to my knowledge not spelled with a us, but you get the point). I can think of about a million myself, but I don't want to hog the spotlight so I'll just start with a few.


It's a troll if it uses OMG in serious conversation, or as a way to express itself while not being sarcastic.

It's a troll if it never ever posts anything that doesn't somehow end up being about itself and it's views and how everything relates to it.

It's a troll if it only ever responds to the question game, but has never responded to anything involving complex thought, like A Question of Virtue.

It's a troll if it ...

 

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  posted on 3/7/2004 at 08:32 PM
I discovered there is no definition for "troll" in the Lexicon. I think this forum thread should be used to create the definition.

It's a troll if... it sticks around saying "whatever" (literally or not) to the bashings and flamings for their refusal to follow the rules and for their refusal to post anything worthwhile.

 

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  posted on 3/7/2004 at 08:37 PM
if it pisses me off by stupidity of thought, deed, or word

 

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  posted on 3/7/2004 at 08:55 PM
if my ass breaks out in blisters every time i see it's username
if your ass breaks out in blisters from all the kissing it's recieving after it's made an asshole of itself
if your ass breaks out in blisters just THINKING about it

 

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  posted on 3/7/2004 at 09:33 PM
if it makes me wanna pee on it just based one its username

 

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  posted on 4/7/2004 at 01:25 AM
Playing Devil's Advocate, here...if it's a repeat offender. Everyone is allowed a bad day.

 

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  posted on 4/7/2004 at 04:52 AM
hmm, no one is "allowed" a bad day, they are forgiven for taking it out on thier friends. Sometimes.
And they have the noses rubbed in it so they dont do it again.

 

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  posted on 4/7/2004 at 07:05 AM
Nope, you cannot play devil's advocate for a troll. There is not defense of trolls. That being the entire problem. There are too many troll's having bad days, and it is time, my friends, to make their days even worse. And for the record, whenever anyone acts like a troll, they get treated like at troll, so that they can realize they are behaving like a troll and fix it. That's the whole point.

It's a troll if it refers to how goth it is and how stupid the gothtest is because "your can't just write a test about being goth."

It's a troll if it takes the goth test than says how wrong it is they didn't pass but how they found it funny and useful anyway as if we wanted to know.

It's a troll if it's constantly talking about how it's best friend stole it's boyfriend and then has a public argument about in the forum acting as if we know or care.

It's a troll if it refers to Devin as Devinity but doesn't understand what that really means.

 

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  posted on 4/7/2004 at 09:06 AM
It's a troll if it deliberately tries to poke everyone in order to get a negative reaction, just for the sake of attention.

 

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  posted on 4/7/2004 at 09:41 AM
MJ:*winks* does that make ME a troll?

 

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  posted on 4/7/2004 at 02:08 PM
MJ: I believe I qualify as a troll by that definition.

 

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  posted on 4/7/2004 at 02:16 PM
Ah the irony! ANd youhand me lines like thatsquid. this time i am going to take the bait.

Yes kiddo, your were and annoying, brainless, pandering asskisser for the first year or so. You said things to try to make the pantheon mad so you could feel special and then apologized profusely to those pantheon, again to get attention. you assumed authority though you had it not and bashed people as trolls when they were actaully long time members that had been on break. You were insulting, rude, lame, and boring. and your posts were badly spelled.

Then poof one day you took it on the chin and fessed up when you did something stupid. a week or so later you fessed that you had been taking out your personal shit on people here and were truely, deeply sorry. then you went away for a little while (a time out huh?) and came back and acted like a person.

 

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  posted on 4/7/2004 at 03:22 PM
Hahaha, so a squid has to act like a person if he is to be accepted here!

I apologized to the Pantheon? I dont recall that. I may have been insulting and rude not to mention piss-poor at spelling but lame and boring? Really? I usually fess-up when I aknowlege my own stupidity, but to what incident are yoo specificly referring?

Oh, and just to keep from straying too far off topic: Yoo might be a troll if yoo PM mee asking mee what Shmeng is all about, take what I tell yoo seriously, and continue to take that seriously after interacting with the Shmenglings for some time.

 

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die so i could watch, and then me die.




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  posted on 4/7/2004 at 05:20 PM
I think we have all been annoying to everyone else at some point, and it used to be when you pulled that shit, you were quickly corrected, and put in your place by any number of people (ah how I remember). The point is you supposed to learn from it, not just go on saying "omg your ppl are soooo dark and kewl". At least that's my opinion and I stick by it.

It's a troll if it cannot spell at all. I mean, everyone is allowed a few typos but generally trolls never seem to get anything they try to type correct. For example:

FOD: well, I thought it was funni XD...silli me
FOD: because theyh accussed him of molesting that kid...ever since then ppl have been dis-ing him and saying mean stuff about him.

I could find more but I've gotten bored.

 

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  posted on 4/7/2004 at 05:49 PM
it's a troll if your name is ariadne and you start posting something before even knowing how to navigate shmeng and just start spitting ghoulish nonsense just because ,i might mention that i was also a little computer illiterate when i first joined this site, i am of course humbled and look back in disgust at my behavior but that is what i get, but after looking around the site a little more i realized that there was more to it, and self aggrandizement was not a part of it at all, to all involved, i am so sorry if i sounded like i was bragging when i posted here that first time, i was just feeling a little nostalgic at the time, so no offense. i honestly did not mean my first post to come about the way it did, there was no excuse, but i assure you all i was only ignorant.

[Edited on 5/7/2004 by ariadne]

 

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  posted on 4/7/2004 at 07:35 PM
An outrageous message posted to a newsgroup or mailing list or message board to bait people to answer. Trolling is a form of harassment that can take over a discussion. Well meaning defenders can create chaos by responding to trolls. The best response is to ignore it. Also, the person who posts such messages.
www.walthowe.com/glossary/t.html

A purposely stupid, inflammatory, or downright wrong article (closely related to flamebait). Its purpose is to get people mad and make them look stupid and gullible
www.aol.com/netfind/newsgroup/glossary.html

Deliberately post an offensive or contentious message in a public message base, with the specific intent of provoking flames.
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A post that is intentionally inflammatory and which is typically an attempt to start a flamewar. One who posts trolls.
www.sff.net/people/lucy-snyder/gloss.html


An annoyance usually on Messageboards who posts for the purpose of causing a disturbance. Often by making comments of a slanderous nature, accusatory, or just general pain-in-the-assness.
www.sanguinarius.org/~sarasvati/terms.htm


A term used to define a public message (either on a USENET newsgroup or other public message board on an online service) that is posted for the sole purpose of offending people and/or generating an enormous flood of non-topic replies. (submitted by Brett Palmer)
www.cyberalaska.com/alaska/webpage/dictionary.html

The practice of trying to lure other Internet users into sending responses.
www.afirst.com/definitions/definitions.htm


A troublemaker who deliberately posts provocative, hostile or annoying messages in a newsgroup or mailing list with the specific intent of starting a flamewar. The practice is known as trolling.Related terms: Flame, Flamewar, Post, POST, Mailing list, Newsgroup
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An outrageous message posted to a newsgroup or mailing list to bait people to answer. Trolling is a form of harassment that can take over a newsgroup or mailing list. Well meaning defenders can create chaos by responding to trolls. The best response is to ignore it.
www.lapasserelle.com/isc/Delphi_navnet/t.html


A troublemaker who deliberately posts provocative, hostile or annoying messages in a newsgroup or mailing list with the specific intent of starting a flamewar. The practice is known as trolling.
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To post an ostensibly sincere article on an Internet newsgroup for the real purpose of eliciting a reaction from readers. A well-crafted troll may not be detected at all the first time around, in which case the poster usually follows it up with an more outrageous and less plausible variation.
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A person who posts only to inflame opinion. Most are so obvious that only the most clueless reply.
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I went and looked up the definition of a troll, in case I had badly misjudged the meaning. It's basically what I thought it was. Actually, the things people are assigning to the definition of a troll, would be in my opinion, the definition of a twit, in most cases. There are a lot of really annoying people here, and some of them are indeed trolls who post to try to get attention from others, sometimes positive, but mostly negative. Being a cluless middle or high school kid who just hasn't got the social grace to interact with people who haven't been in high school for a number of years is not enough, again, in my opinion, to qualify someone as a troll. When I think of a troll, I think of someone who is deliberately being malicious and acting out like a two year old just to get a spanking because that's the only kind of attention it can understand. Some twits can be trolls, and many trolls are indeed twits. There are some trolls who lack twittiness, but are still mean and malicious and just not worth even acknowledging. Feral and Squid, by virtue of having a clue and having genuinely nice qualities and having enough sense of self to not need constant attention, negative or otherwise, do not qualify as trolls. Fairy of Darkness, does not qualify as a troll, as I really don't think she's doing anything out of malicious intent, she just lacks a clue and is a twit. BillGates was definitely a troll, and for those who can't remember BillGates, Shmooth was a good example of a troll. Again, all of this is only my opinion. I'm not asking people to be nice to the poor little trolls, or even the poor little twits, as they need some hard lessons to grow up big and strong as well.

And if all of this is to decide who qualifies as a Shmeng troll, as opposed to the run of the mill kind, I am eager to see what that definition eventually turns out to be.

 

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  posted on 4/7/2004 at 08:04 PM
Although in many ways the universal definitions of troll fit here, MJ (I refered to Schiz originally, but realize that I was wrong, so am correcting that mistake now), you are correct in that we have both trolls and twits and deciding where the line of one or the other crosses could certainly be difficult.

For example, remember gothicspanks, that seems to me to be a case of twitdom gone horribly horribly wrong, until it eventually became a troll, whereas Smooth was most certainly unredeembly trollish in all his actions.

However I think the larger question is, must we at Shmeng distinguish between the troll and twit for practical purposes, or should either be taught a lesson and then those who learn from them become useful members of society while the others merely fade into oblivion?

[Edited on 7/5/2004 by Domkitten]

 

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  posted on 4/7/2004 at 08:55 PM
its a troll if it puts an exclemation mark on the end of almost every sentence...

the ruthless

 

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  posted on 4/7/2004 at 09:16 PM
from a practical standpoint... a twit will learn from its trial by fire... a troll only gets pissy...

 

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  posted on 4/7/2004 at 10:55 PM
Shmeng has been fortunate not to come under onslaughts of trolls. Thanks mainly to the site's obscurity. Around other forums they dominate, only small bastions of clarity hold other forums together. You can almost envision the epic wars against their sieges in those forums. While Shmeng's worst trolls to my memory were Fuxxer (fixxer) and G4u (or something). Shmenglings were quick to act to stop their trolling rampage; which was what they wanted. Eventually after confrontation after another, the option to ignore them completely was the best cure for trolls.

Troll- seeks the wrong kind of attention, feeds on anger, an offspring of the beast of ignorance.

 

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