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Author: Subject: Hitting things until they stop moving.

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  posted on 29/5/2004 at 04:48 AM
This forum is about the fine art of breaking things and people, to debate brawlin' and gettin' brawled on. I understand most of us here aren't very much into hurting things or people, but a few are...and sooner or later somethings gonna happenin and fists are gonna be needed...it's a sad consequence of living around people. If you can live your life without fightin, I salute ya'...but if not...well...here we go.

I first off need to dispell the whole one shot to the nose with the bottom of your hand can kill instantly myth. It works in movies, it works in books an video games, it's one hell of a prominent myth. It's also freaking impossible. You cannot kill someone by driving a bone fragment into their brain from their nose. That bone is triangular, one of the strongest if not THE strongest shape possible, and all you'll really succeed at is messing up their nasal cavity, which is fairly large.
Breaking someones neck isn't easy either...if yourgonna try and do it...you better get a running start unless you have arms like a gorilla. The main trick is to lead in one direction until you feel resistance then snap it the other way and let the victim do half of the work...understandably few people stand their and let you do that though, so I suggest simply not freaking doing it.
Keep your damn feet on the ground...I have yet to see someone who could use a kick for anything better than leaving themselves wide open and off balance...that kung fu crap works pretty well in a gym, but unless your damn sure you know what your doing, keep low and planted.
Work the face, particularly the nose, most people stop fighting after they start bleeding, people are nintey percent coward when it comes to fighting anyhow. Do it quick and then back off and give them a chance to retreat...
Neck locks, very handy if you can get 'em. Put their adam's apple in the crook of your arm, tighten then flex until they pass out...bury your face in the back of their neck and prepare for a sound beating to the side of the head. When they stop moving, DO NOT release your grip...everybody fakes first, it's an instinct sorta'...wait it out. They will mess up your ears and jaw like crazy until they finally stop.
Alright...whos got more tips for whoopin' ass?

 

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  posted on 29/5/2004 at 05:30 AM
When I was taking Wing Chun Kung Fu, my sifu once said that those high kicks you see in movies are technically unnecessary (to him it'd be better to do a low roundhouse in the lower areas), but we practiced them anyway so we can see the weaknesses in those aggressive kicker people.

Unfortunately, I moved before I could get far in the art. The thing that sucks is that the sifu was a REALLY good instructor.

All I can say from sparring experience is to stand your ground, yes, but try to "flow" too. Don't try to resist too much and if you can, use the force of the enemy against them.

For instance, if they punch, don't just dodge, but side-step forward, "directing" their arm with your arm that's forward (this directing arm is more of a mark point than anything, you don't really do much except use the person's force against them and keep their arm coming forward), and jabbing them at the throat with the other hand while releasing the "directing" arm (keeping it there leaves you more prone to attacks)...of course, there's likely more experienced martial artists than me...I only went through two or three sashes before I had to move to Puerto Rico...one belt in Jujitsu and Iaijutsu.

OR, if they're rushing forward, step in, grab their closest arm, turn 180 degrees, duck, and throw them over you. This somewhat requires strength, but for a fair amount of people the momentum created is the strength.

There's likely other examples...but those should give you an idea of what I learned.

 

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  posted on 29/5/2004 at 09:53 AM
it only takes 8 pounds of pressure to shatter the nose...i speak from experience...

if you direct the output from a tesla coil t a tv... it is the most beautiful destruction you will ever witness...

there are a couple of ways, while using jeet kun do, to cripple an opponent for life...

dolo: if they are unconsiouse, it's not that hard

 

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  posted on 29/5/2004 at 11:20 AM
all those tips might be great for you big burly types with long arms., but for us tiny people, kicking is good.
kick low, the ankles or the knees. a dislocted knee stops anyone not on PCP. a busted ankles even stops those on PCP.
When they get you in a headlock (the favorite trick of the big against the small) dont try to punch them, go first for thier fingers and try to break ONE at a time. the feel and sound of a breaking bone often stops thier desire to be macho at you.
IF you cant reach thier fingers, go for thier balls. try to twist and pull. a ruptured testicle is a very painful thing and will usually make them let you go.
IF you can reach those then go for the ribs. Dig your fingers under their ribs, fingers pointed up towards thier shoulder, and pull out as hard as you can. again breakage and dislocation tend to disorient.
when in doubt and loosing conciousness, go for the knees. they might fall on top of you if you manage to dislocate something, but that is still better than dying because they think you are faking it when you pass out.

 

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  posted on 29/5/2004 at 02:52 PM
small against large... SING

in this order

Ssolar plexus

Instep

Nose

Groin

That combo...will open up anyone and stop most in their tracks... including some low dose pcp-ers

 

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  posted on 29/5/2004 at 02:56 PM
Ok... now...I want to argue a point...

I studied several martala rts for 15 years +... The kick thing... Dolo... in most sintances, yes, it is crap.. but I never have had problems with it... I have found that if someone knows what they are doing, they will block the first kick. Now... I am in the process of slowly developing my own martial art, based o skill and BRUTE force... Unless the man is a master... my kicks tend to throw people around... the last fight I was in fractured his arm on the first kick... just two cents worth...

 

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  posted on 29/5/2004 at 10:28 PM
My mother in law already had the "self defense" talk with my neice seeming how they live in a really bad area. Don't get me wrong, the kid is 12 and has about 60lbs and 8" on me, but when she was younger and smaller there was something cute about hearing an 8 year old girl say "Oh don't worry, gramma already taught me. Kick their nuts in, knee them in the face, push 'em over and run like hell!"

She used to get picked on alot for being a bigger girl, and some of the neighborhood thugs have tried stealing things from her, but so far her total is 3 broken noses, 10 broken fingers, five black eyes, and ZERO bullies bothering her.

 

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  posted on 30/5/2004 at 12:46 AM
Alright Feral, I'll read ya there...a good brute force forward thrust can work wonders on a kneecap or a stomach...but is it worth the risk? If you can take a coupla' hits sure, but more often than not, it's not as effecient. 'sides, most people don't have a enough raw power in a kick to throw someone around with it...you have to be made of so much meat to do that. heh heh.

The trick to fighting well isn't doing a shitload of manuvers or fancy strikes, it's finding the easiest and most painful blows you can put in, in the fastest time possible. Most fights last under a minute...congrats on developing your own style though Feral, mad props. I've been finishing up my own for awhile but it's essentially Sambo for small people.

I'm a decent fighter, at least I've walked away from more fights than I haven't...and at my best I weighed in at a nice one thirty...little people can kick some serious ass.

Viciousness accounts for nintey percent of victory. Don't be afraid to maim, blind, tear, cut or bleed something. A bigger person may knock you out cold or even send you to the hospital, make it a point to leave them somethng to remember you by.

Screaming is also pretty unnderated...I've stopped people in their tracks by doing it. I'm not talking about bruce lee whoops or kung fu cat-calls, I'm talking a full on all out scream of every angry thought you ever had as loud as possible in their face. If you can do it...it'll knock someone off balance. How often in your life do you hear things like that? Once you get 'em off balance...tear them to hell and back.

I suggest for lighter people to try not to use your fists...keep your hands open in order to grab, twist and tear...mebbe' even poke. Big folks with a lot of mass can drive a good sledgehammer punch, but for smaller people it's much more effecient to go in with claws bared.

 

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  posted on 30/5/2004 at 12:53 AM
Oh! Almost forgot. When you get hit, and it'll happen sooner or later...roll with it. Roll with it like crazy, if someone gives ya' a good kick, let it toss you away, puts some nice distance in between the combatants. The same goes for punches, you don't have to fly off, but it does a lot of good if you let your body ride out the impact. This lessens the kinetic damage and gives you some room to spring back and build up a lil' bit more force. If your gonna take a hit solid and not move, you should only be doin' it for intimidation purposes...and then you had better be fucking balls tough.

 

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  posted on 30/5/2004 at 01:36 AM
I don't know about the kicks. I can take a kick fairly well and it usually just pisses me off more than anything. On the other hand, some of my students like to jab me in the solar plexus with hands clasped together and index fingers extended. The ones who do it most frequently are the gum do students who are trying to run an imaginary sword through me, but I have gotten it from some taegwan do kids as well. It will take your breath completely away for around a minute and a half, which is more than long enough to press an attack. Another teacher downtown had a hapki do student pull that manouver on him, but instead of the solar plexus, he jabbed him farther south. Sent him home for the day until the swelling in his testicle went down. Hurts, take my word for it.

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  posted on 30/5/2004 at 06:02 PM
Kicking in knees is really the surest way to win a fight although crushing someone's achilles tendon is always fun too. I've found that basic Aikido, yes I said Aikido, when altered slightly can be a very effecive form of lethal combat. Basic bars are easily changed into compound fractures.

I've always been a big fan of the philophy behind taijutsu (the fighting style aspect of ninjitsu). Basicly the idea is to do whatever it takes to ensure (1)or opponent(s) die and (2)yoo are unscathed. Some good examples of said techniques are attacking people while their backs are turned, running away and throwing things at them from a safe distance, spitting in people's eyes, etc. Sure it might sound chicken-shit, and in many ways it is but it allowed a single ninja to take out dozens of samurai at a time!

As far as high kicking goes, my personal favorite thing to watch has been people doing "Pride of Korea" (a TKD kick that involves a clockwise roundhouse with the right leg, spinning around and following it up with another roundhouse with the left leg). It is quite simply the easiest way to get yor ass handed to yoo. Thus I like to encourage other people to use it as much as possible!

 

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  posted on 1/6/2004 at 06:15 AM
I've been a shrimp all my life, so fighting was an essential neccesity for me, growing up. For some reason, bully's love tall, skinny kids. Though I have studied karate, kung fu, tai-chi, and have been extremely fascinated by jeet kun do, my most effective technique has been berserker. You know, those Viking guys that believed that some people, callled berserkers, could get into a blood rage, and essentially achieve a super human strength, smashing and mauling anything in their path. I generally take the first hit or two, and when they try and grapple me for the take down, I go fucking mad, hit the throat, nose, and knees, and don't stop thrashing and hitting until they stop moving. It's worked for me, my tally so far is two broken noses, a dislocated arm, and many many guys coming to my house with friends for revenge. NO one has fight ethics anymore, they fight with like 8 friends. Pussies, in my opinion, but thats where the stun gun, 12 inch bowie, and sidearms come in...bleh

 

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  posted on 1/6/2004 at 09:33 AM
Dolo wrote:
"Neck locks, very handy if you can get 'em. Put their adam's apple in the crook of your arm, tighten then flex until they pass out...bury your face in the back of their neck and prepare for a sound beating to the side of the head"

Your forgetting one vital thing. You have to lock your arm which prevents them from pulling away your arm or your fingers. After putting their adams apple in the crook of your arm, put your other elbow on their shoulder. Put the hand from the arm around their neck into the crook of your other arm and put the hand from that arm on the back of your head. This locks them into the hold so they cannot pull out of it.

A good painful thing to do is get really close to them and just run the edge of your shoe right down the from of their leg. There are a lot of nerves on the shin bone and scrapping a shoe down it with a good stomp motion hurts like hell. The negative is that it puts you very close to them.

[Edited on 6/1/04 by EyeCandyRayce]

 

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