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Dolorosa
Extreme Fanatic   Posts: 856 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 29/5/2004 at 04:48 AM |
This forum is about the fine art of breaking things and people, to debate
brawlin' and gettin' brawled on. I understand most of us here aren't very
much into hurting things or people, but a few are...and sooner or later
somethings gonna happenin and fists are gonna be needed...it's a sad
consequence of living around people. If you can live your life without
fightin, I salute ya'...but if not...well...here we go.
I first off need to dispell the whole one shot to the nose with the bottom
of your hand can kill instantly myth. It works in movies, it works in books
an video games, it's one hell of a prominent myth. It's also freaking
impossible. You cannot kill someone by driving a bone fragment into their
brain from their nose. That bone is triangular, one of the strongest if not
THE strongest shape possible, and all you'll really succeed at is messing
up their nasal cavity, which is fairly large.
Breaking someones neck isn't easy either...if yourgonna try and do
it...you better get a running start unless you have arms like a gorilla.
The main trick is to lead in one direction until you feel resistance then
snap it the other way and let the victim do half of the
work...understandably few people stand their and let you do that though, so
I suggest simply not freaking doing it.
Keep your damn feet on the ground...I have yet to see someone who could
use a kick for anything better than leaving themselves wide open and off
balance...that kung fu crap works pretty well in a gym, but unless your
damn sure you know what your doing, keep low and planted.
Work the face, particularly the nose, most people stop fighting after they
start bleeding, people are nintey percent coward when it comes to fighting
anyhow. Do it quick and then back off and give them a chance to
retreat...
Neck locks, very handy if you can get 'em. Put their adam's apple in the
crook of your arm, tighten then flex until they pass out...bury your face
in the back of their neck and prepare for a sound beating to the side of
the head. When they stop moving, DO NOT release your grip...everybody fakes
first, it's an instinct sorta'...wait it out. They will mess up your ears
and jaw like crazy until they finally stop.
Alright...whos got more tips for whoopin' ass?
____________________
In the valley of the Goats, the Goat Fucker is King
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Anya
Extreme Fanatic  Posts: 656 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 29/5/2004 at 05:30 AM |
When I was taking Wing Chun Kung Fu, my sifu once said that those high
kicks you see in movies are technically unnecessary (to him it'd be better
to do a low roundhouse in the lower areas), but we practiced them anyway so
we can see the weaknesses in those aggressive kicker people.
Unfortunately, I moved before I could get far in the art. The thing that
sucks is that the sifu was a REALLY good instructor.
All I can say from sparring experience is to stand your ground, yes, but
try to "flow" too. Don't try to resist too much and if you can, use the
force of the enemy against them.
For instance, if they punch, don't just dodge, but side-step forward,
"directing" their arm with your arm that's forward (this directing arm is
more of a mark point than anything, you don't really do much except use the
person's force against them and keep their arm coming forward), and jabbing
them at the throat with the other hand while releasing the "directing" arm
(keeping it there leaves you more prone to attacks)...of course, there's
likely more experienced martial artists than me...I only went through two
or three sashes before I had to move to Puerto Rico...one belt in Jujitsu
and Iaijutsu.
OR, if they're rushing forward, step in, grab their closest arm, turn 180
degrees, duck, and throw them over you. This somewhat requires strength,
but for a fair amount of people the momentum created is the strength.
There's likely other examples...but those should give you an idea of what I
learned.
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feralucce
Extreme Fanatic  Posts: 1810 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 29/5/2004 at 09:53 AM |
it only takes 8 pounds of pressure to shatter the nose...i speak from
experience...
if you direct the output from a tesla coil t a tv... it is the most
beautiful destruction you will ever witness...
there are a couple of ways, while using jeet kun do, to cripple an opponent
for life...
dolo: if they are unconsiouse, it's not that hard ____________________
The earth turns on a tilted axis - just doing the best it can.
Hohenheim of Light~Full Metal Alchemist
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callei
Extreme Fanatic  Posts: 759 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 29/5/2004 at 11:20 AM |
all those tips might be great for you big burly types with long arms., but
for us tiny people, kicking is good.
kick low, the ankles or the knees. a dislocted knee stops anyone not on
PCP. a busted ankles even stops those on PCP.
When they get you in a headlock (the favorite trick of the big against the
small) dont try to punch them, go first for thier fingers and try to break
ONE at a time. the feel and sound of a breaking bone often stops thier
desire to be macho at you.
IF you cant reach thier fingers, go for thier balls. try to twist and pull.
a ruptured testicle is a very painful thing and will usually make them let
you go.
IF you can reach those then go for the ribs. Dig your fingers under their
ribs, fingers pointed up towards thier shoulder, and pull out as hard as
you can. again breakage and dislocation tend to disorient.
when in doubt and loosing conciousness, go for the knees. they might fall
on top of you if you manage to dislocate something, but that is still
better than dying because they think you are faking it when you pass
out.
____________________
Real goths wear silver and crosses to keep the werewolves and vampires
away.
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feralucce
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 1810 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 29/5/2004 at 02:52 PM |
small against large... SING
in this order
Ssolar plexus
Instep
Nose
Groin
That combo...will open up anyone and stop most in their tracks... including
some low dose pcp-ers ____________________
The earth turns on a tilted axis - just doing the best it can.
Hohenheim of Light~Full Metal Alchemist
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feralucce
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 1810 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 29/5/2004 at 02:56 PM |
Ok... now...I want to argue a point...
I studied several martala rts for 15 years +... The kick thing... Dolo...
in most sintances, yes, it is crap.. but I never have had problems with
it... I have found that if someone knows what they are doing, they will
block the first kick. Now... I am in the process of slowly developing my
own martial art, based o skill and BRUTE force... Unless the man is a
master... my kicks tend to throw people around... the last fight I was in
fractured his arm on the first kick... just two cents worth...
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The earth turns on a tilted axis - just doing the best it can.
Hohenheim of Light~Full Metal Alchemist
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bettie_x
Extreme Fanatic  Posts: 1570 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 29/5/2004 at 10:28 PM |
My mother in law already had the "self defense" talk with my neice seeming
how they live in a really bad area. Don't get me wrong, the kid is 12 and
has about 60lbs and 8" on me, but when she was younger and smaller there
was something cute about hearing an 8 year old girl say "Oh don't worry,
gramma already taught me. Kick their nuts in, knee them in the face, push
'em over and run like hell!"
She used to get picked on alot for being a bigger girl, and some of the
neighborhood thugs have tried stealing things from her, but so far her
total is 3 broken noses, 10 broken fingers, five black eyes, and ZERO
bullies bothering her. ____________________
Trapped in time. Surrounded by evil. Low on gas.
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Dolorosa
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 856 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 30/5/2004 at 12:46 AM |
Alright Feral, I'll read ya there...a good brute force forward thrust can
work wonders on a kneecap or a stomach...but is it worth the risk? If you
can take a coupla' hits sure, but more often than not, it's not as
effecient. 'sides, most people don't have a enough raw power in a kick to
throw someone around with it...you have to be made of so much meat to do
that. heh heh.
The trick to fighting well isn't doing a shitload of manuvers or fancy
strikes, it's finding the easiest and most painful blows you can put in, in
the fastest time possible. Most fights last under a minute...congrats on
developing your own style though Feral, mad props. I've been finishing up
my own for awhile but it's essentially Sambo for small people.
I'm a decent fighter, at least I've walked away from more fights than I
haven't...and at my best I weighed in at a nice one thirty...little people
can kick some serious ass.
Viciousness accounts for nintey percent of victory. Don't be afraid to
maim, blind, tear, cut or bleed something. A bigger person may knock you
out cold or even send you to the hospital, make it a point to leave them
somethng to remember you by.
Screaming is also pretty unnderated...I've stopped people in their tracks
by doing it. I'm not talking about bruce lee whoops or kung fu cat-calls,
I'm talking a full on all out scream of every angry thought you ever had as
loud as possible in their face. If you can do it...it'll knock someone off
balance. How often in your life do you hear things like that? Once you get
'em off balance...tear them to hell and back.
I suggest for lighter people to try not to use your fists...keep your hands
open in order to grab, twist and tear...mebbe' even poke. Big folks with a
lot of mass can drive a good sledgehammer punch, but for smaller people
it's much more effecient to go in with claws bared. ____________________
In the valley of the Goats, the Goat Fucker is King
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Dolorosa
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 856 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 30/5/2004 at 12:53 AM |
| Oh! Almost forgot. When you get hit, and it'll happen sooner or
later...roll with it. Roll with it like crazy, if someone gives ya' a good
kick, let it toss you away, puts some nice distance in between the
combatants. The same goes for punches, you don't have to fly off, but it
does a lot of good if you let your body ride out the impact. This lessens
the kinetic damage and gives you some room to spring back and build up a
lil' bit more force. If your gonna take a hit solid and not move, you
should only be doin' it for intimidation purposes...and then you had better
be fucking balls tough. ____________________
In the valley of the Goats, the Goat Fucker is King
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Monolycus
Fanatic   Posts: 580 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 30/5/2004 at 01:36 AM |
I don't know about the kicks. I can take a kick fairly well and it usually
just pisses me off more than anything. On the other hand, some of my
students like to jab me in the solar plexus with hands clasped together and
index fingers extended. The ones who do it most frequently are the gum do
students who are trying to run an imaginary sword through me, but I have
gotten it from some taegwan do kids as well. It will take your breath
completely away for around a minute and a half, which is more than long
enough to press an attack. Another teacher downtown had a hapki do student
pull that manouver on him, but instead of the solar plexus, he jabbed him
farther south. Sent him home for the day until the swelling in his
testicle went down. Hurts, take my word for it.
~M. ____________________
"I believe that woman is planning to shoot me again."
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IamSquid
Extreme Fanatic  Posts: 658 Registered: 27/5/2002 Status: Offline
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posted on 30/5/2004 at 06:02 PM |
Kicking in knees is really the surest way to win a fight although crushing
someone's achilles tendon is always fun too. I've found that basic Aikido,
yes I said Aikido, when altered slightly can be a very effecive form of
lethal combat. Basic bars are easily changed into compound fractures.
I've always been a big fan of the philophy behind taijutsu (the fighting
style aspect of ninjitsu). Basicly the idea is to do whatever it takes to
ensure (1)or opponent(s) die and (2)yoo are unscathed. Some good examples
of said techniques are attacking people while their backs are turned,
running away and throwing things at them from a safe distance, spitting in
people's eyes, etc. Sure it might sound chicken-shit, and in many ways it
is but it allowed a single ninja to take out dozens of samurai at a
time!
As far as high kicking goes, my personal favorite thing to watch has been
people doing "Pride of Korea" (a TKD kick that involves a clockwise
roundhouse with the right leg, spinning around and following it up with
another roundhouse with the left leg). It is quite simply the easiest way
to get yor ass handed to yoo. Thus I like to encourage other people to use
it as much as possible! ____________________
i wanted to die, and then it progressed into wanting everyone else to
die so i could watch, and then me die.
-ickgirl
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Squire-of-Gothos
Fanatic  Posts: 206 Registered: 1/1/2003 Status: Offline
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posted on 1/6/2004 at 06:15 AM |
| I've been a shrimp all my life, so fighting was an essential neccesity for
me, growing up. For some reason, bully's love tall, skinny kids. Though I
have studied karate, kung fu, tai-chi, and have been extremely fascinated
by jeet kun do, my most effective technique has been berserker. You know,
those Viking guys that believed that some people, callled berserkers, could
get into a blood rage, and essentially achieve a super human strength,
smashing and mauling anything in their path. I generally take the first hit
or two, and when they try and grapple me for the take down, I go fucking
mad, hit the throat, nose, and knees, and don't stop thrashing and hitting
until they stop moving. It's worked for me, my tally so far is two broken
noses, a dislocated arm, and many many guys coming to my house with friends
for revenge. NO one has fight ethics anymore, they fight with like 8
friends. Pussies, in my opinion, but thats where the stun gun, 12 inch
bowie, and sidearms come in...bleh ____________________
“The only thing that can alter the good writer is death.”
“You know that if I were reincarnated, I’d want to come back a buzzard.
Nothing hates him. He is never bothered or in danger, and he can eat
anything.”
Faulkner
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EyeCandyRayce
Fanatic  Posts: 247 Registered: 19/1/2004 Status: Offline
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posted on 1/6/2004 at 09:33 AM |
Dolo wrote:
"Neck locks, very handy if you can get 'em. Put their adam's apple in the
crook of your arm, tighten then flex until they pass out...bury your face
in the back of their neck and prepare for a sound beating to the side of
the head"
Your forgetting one vital thing. You have to lock your arm which prevents
them from pulling away your arm or your fingers. After putting their adams
apple in the crook of your arm, put your other elbow on their shoulder. Put
the hand from the arm around their neck into the crook of your other arm
and put the hand from that arm on the back of your head. This locks them
into the hold so they cannot pull out of it.
A good painful thing to do is get really close to them and just run the
edge of your shoe right down the from of their leg. There are a lot of
nerves on the shin bone and scrapping a shoe down it with a good stomp
motion hurts like hell. The negative is that it puts you very close to
them.
[Edited on 6/1/04 by EyeCandyRayce] ____________________
Suicide Hotline - Please Hold
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