MystryssRavynDarque
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posted on 10/4/2004 at 09:12 AM |
So, the Christians say that Easter is a holiday set up because it is the
day that Jesus Christ rose from the tomb and walked amongst his disciples
before ascending into heaven.
Other people see Easter (even some of the Christians) as a day where a
giant rabbit leaves gifts of chocolate and stuffed animals and colored
chicken eggs inside of baskets for children.
This holiday makes me wonder where the idea of this giant rabbit came from,
why nobody has arrested him for stealing eggs, hard boiling them (a crime
which could be constituted as murder), and dying them for the pleasure of
human kind. Also, where does this rabbit get all of the chocolate he
distributes, and how can I get this hook up?
Okay, so I know that there is no Easter Bunny and that my parents give me
the candy and stuffed animals, etc. but where did this whole idea get
started? Can anyone answer that question for me? There's a hug in it for
you if you can. ____________________
"People always say what we are looking for is a meaning for life…I don't
think that's what we're looking for. I think what we're looking for is the
experience of being alive." -Joseph Campbell
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Merry_Widow
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posted on 10/4/2004 at 09:32 AM |
I'm thinking you already know about the whole fertility symbol for the
goddess Eastre.
When it comes to the actual Easter Bunny, the tradition in most likely
German in origin, and shows up in writing sometime in the 1500's. "Ostcher
Haws" came over to America with the German settlers into the Pennsylvania
Dutch country in the 1700's.
Easter as the marketing holiday we know and love today didn't start until
sometime after the civil war. ____________________
Okay, dazzle me.
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callei
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posted on 10/4/2004 at 09:49 AM |
| i thought it started because they didnt think thier god was good enough to
go to thier heven so they made him a zombie. the laying eggs thing becomes
sort of obvious if you think of a zombie trying to make a joke and how it
would smell after a few weeks. as for the chocolate, well that is the
closest you can get to a state of "heaven" for under 5 bucks. cheap thrills
are somtimes the best thrills. ____________________
Real goths wear silver and crosses to keep the werewolves and vampires
away.
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feralucce
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posted on 10/4/2004 at 01:59 PM |
Little known fact... jesus was born in september... and he died ata bout
the same time... But It is a well known fact that the Cathoic church re
arranged their holidays so the pagans would not see much of a difference
(the cathedrals feature pagan imagery in their construction for the same
reason.) (Useless trrivia - the word heathen is translated "those who live
in the heath". The reason that the reason Heathen came to mean pagan -
because those that lived in hte heath would have to travel for hours to
reach the church and therefore did not come to the church). the babylonian
goddess ishtar was the goddess of fertility... the symbols of her worship
were bunnies and eggs... Before the church created easter there was no
occurence of the name in the english language... Ishtar - easter... sounds
like more than a coincidence...
Feral ____________________
The earth turns on a tilted axis - just doing the best it can.
Hohenheim of Light~Full Metal Alchemist
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MystryssRavynDarque
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posted on 10/4/2004 at 02:58 PM |
This is all quite interesting information...do keep it coming, and for all
of those who have replied so far M_W...Callei...Feral...you get a *HUG*
from me!
M_W yours was very informative
Callei, yours made me laugh
Feral, also very informative, and yes Ishtar and Easter do sound very
similar and I didn't know about the living in the heath thing being heathan
(the southerners just refer to the children as heathans...LOL) ____________________
"People always say what we are looking for is a meaning for life…I don't
think that's what we're looking for. I think what we're looking for is
the
experience of being alive." -Joseph Campbell
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dead-cell
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posted on 10/4/2004 at 04:05 PM |
I think IamSquid already explained this. Something along the lines of
bunnies, eggs, spring...fertility.
Oh and sure they can pin point the exact day Jesus was born, but can't
determine when he rose from the grave. ____________________
co-worker: "Your gay!?"
myself: "Didn't you see my rainbow pin?"
co-worker: "I just thought you liked skettles."
-(yes, it actually happened to me)
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angel_of_death
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posted on 10/4/2004 at 04:18 PM |
| i agree with merry_widow, easter has become that time of year when
chocolate is mass produced, childrens heads are filled with images of
bunnies hopping into thier room while they sleep (thats sounds pretty
scary) and then those children, who are alreday scared of the giant bunny
coming to them while they sleep, get sick from all the chocolate. It
doesant matter about the exact dates of Jesus death/ coming back to life 3
days later, easter is when this is celebrated, but now, its about
chocolate, how sad. ____________________
I know whats it like to want to die, how it hurts to smile, how you try to
fit in but you can't, how you hurt yourself on the outside, to try to kill
the pain in the inside.
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feralucce
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posted on 10/4/2004 at 05:17 PM |
MRD: I may be mistaken... but the sources I have pulled it frfom are
sound... (The Pembridge scholars) my hobby is etimology..
Three days later... anyone ever notice palm sunday is only 1.5 days apart
from easter sunday? No wonder the grregortian calendar is all smegged up! ____________________
The earth turns on a tilted axis - just doing the best it can.
Hohenheim of Light~Full Metal Alchemist
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Schizo
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posted on 11/4/2004 at 04:02 AM |
But Jesus was killed during Passover, and that happens in the springtime,
roughly around the same time as modern day Easter. The September feast is
Tabernacles, not Passover.
And Jesus was probably killed on a Thursday, not a Friday. Since he was
supposed to have laid in the grave three days. The mistake was made
because the Jewish leaders told the Romans to break Jesus' legs so he would
die quicker, so they could bury him before Sabbath fell. Well, the Jewish
Sabbath is usually on a Friday night, so the mistake is understandable, but
what people don't realize is, the first day of Passover is what is called a
"Feast Sabbath", and the same rules apply as the weekly Sabbath.
It would be very difficult to do all the calculations to see if that
particular Passover started on a Thursday, but it would not at all surprise
me. And then Jesus would have those three days in the tomb that the Bible
spoke of, before he disappeared.
My old church always celebrated "Good Thursday" instead of "Good Friday".
That's because we were so Old Testament/Jewish oriented, that we knew all
those nit-picking details like Feast Sabbaths, that no one else bothers to
read about. We also had a tradition of a fast from 9:00 AM to 3:00 PM on
every Thursday to commemorate the time Jesus supposedly hung on the cross
(from the morning sacrifice to the evening sacrifice.) And we had a
meeting every week morning at 9:00, also in honor of the morning
sacrifice.
Dinner was always at 3:00 on Thursdays, and it was generally some sort of
soup, since that's easier on a very empty stomach. I always hated being on
Thursday dinner duty at Bible School, since that meant you had a couple
hours less to get things ready. And after dinner was Town Trip, where we
would all pile into the campus van and head to town to buy shampoo and
deoderant and other necessities, since we weren't allowed to leave campus
any other time, or use our own vehicles.
So I have reason to remember these gory details! So if the Bible is
accurate enough, Jesus died in the early spring. But it doesn't say when
he was born.
Happy Easter everybody! May the Easter Monster bring you lots of goodies!
(Riley's getting an Easter Monster in her basket - Elmo. She adores Elmo.
And she always gets them for Easter, for some reason. One with bunny ears,
and one with an Easter egg body. Strange.) ____________________
"You can tell by the scars on my arms and the cracks in my hips and the
dents in my car and the blisters on my lips that I'm not the carefullest of
girls." - Dresden Dolls, "Girl Anachronism"
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Merry_Widow
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posted on 11/4/2004 at 11:23 AM |
I had a Dad come to my window at the theater yesterday and buy a gift card.
Then I got to sign it as the Easter Bunny. That rocked.
Hee hee. I can't wait to do the Easter Bunny/Santa Claus/Tooth Fairy bit.
I'm going to take every excuse I can to get my Noodleloaf a little
something. ____________________
Okay, dazzle me.
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feralucce
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posted on 11/4/2004 at 11:27 AM |
tabernacles and passover... I acutally, honestly, get those confused...
reguardless... He DID rise (if it's correct) on hte sabbath... which was a
saturday...
lol...
Feral ____________________
The earth turns on a tilted axis - just doing the best it can.
Hohenheim of Light~Full Metal Alchemist
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ravinsaend
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posted on 11/4/2004 at 02:34 PM |
Many changes have been made in the bible thru the centuries to serve the
personal goals and prejudices and such of the varying institutions/people
that brought certain versions of the bible into existence.(such as the King
James, sponsered by King James[obviously] which is the first bible version
in history to sport anything specifically condemning witchcraft/witches)
I don't know about when he died, but as feral said, it is historically
proven fact that Jesus was born in September, I believe the pinpointed date
was the 29th but I'd have to check on that, and also that he was born in a
cave near Nazareth, not a manger in Bethel(now known as Bethlehem) Many of
the facts in today's bible versions DO coincide with known historical
facts, but there are also quite a few points at which known history and the
bibles of today do not agree, when compared for authentication purposes. Of
course, it helps to remember that in jesus' day many and varying calenders
were used throughout the world and also the entirety of the new testament
was written by secondhand observers(the disciples) and some of the books
were written LONG after Jesus' death, so, of course, mistakes in certain
areas are only to be expected. ____________________
Corruption? Why yes..I have plenty of that for sale.
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Dolorosa
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posted on 11/4/2004 at 11:56 PM |
Hey!
I think we're all missing the point here...I mean, seriously...Callei
brought it up, but it was like, Whoosh.
Jesus is a fucking zombie!
Dudes...get my twelve gauge.
Who's with me?
Merry hit it on the nose as per the books as far as I can tell. ____________________
In the valley of the Goats, the Goat Fucker is King
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Schizo
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posted on 12/4/2004 at 03:28 AM |
Actually, Feral, he rose on a Sunday. That part's right. Or at least, the
fact was discovered then. I think the theory is he rose early Sunday
morning.
See, he was killed Thursday afternoon, Thursday evening was the Feast
Sabbath, then Friday evening started the regular Sabbath, so the Sabbath
problem didn't end until Saturday evening. It was OK then for Jesus'
friends to bring him all the burying herbs and incense and stuff, since it
wasn't the Sabbath anymore, but it was dark so they waited until Sunday
morning, when they came and discovered he was gone. So he "rose" the third
day. Sunday.
____________________
"You can tell by the scars on my arms and the cracks in my hips and the
dents in my car and the blisters on my lips that I'm not the carefullest
of
girls." - Dresden Dolls, "Girl Anachronism"
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IamSquid
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posted on 12/4/2004 at 05:41 AM |
The idea of a rabbit passing out eggs is pretty simple. Easter celebrates
tje rising of X from the dead. The fact that it occurs in spring
symoblizes the rebirth of nature (ie animals coming out of hybernation,
planets sprouting new leaves, etc.) and therfor fertility. Rabbits beign a
fertility symbol is almost as obvious as eggs.
I had never occured of the "historical" Easter occuring in September but
that would make sense because in Isreal summer is too hot and dry for most
things to live as easily as winter which means that what we here in the US
refer to as Autumn is when vegetation begins to flourish again in
Isreal.
But I really hate the whole "historical Jesus" thing. The idea that the
Gospels depict actual events in the objective waking world is absurd as the
events which they are supposed to relate conflict with one another. The
fact that people are always trying to prove that the events in the Bible
"actually happened" drives people deep into madness. This is why Xians
generally find is difficult to understand any other religion, because they
assume that the followers of whatever relgion it may be take all the
mythology literally and miss the point of the myth completely.
Whether or not X "actually" rose from the dead, or if there even was an
"actual" Jesus is completely missing the point. It's the myth that's
important, and it's a pretty cool myth at that. ____________________
i wanted to die, and then it progressed into wanting everyone else to
die so i could watch, and then me die.
-ickgirl
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Anya
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posted on 12/4/2004 at 06:45 AM |
You actually brought up something that made me dislusioned with my previous
religious path. It isn't that all of them are bad or anything, but the
fundamentalists of it just kept taking the Bible for word instead of
spiritual context, so they miss the point of the myths and stories all
together...and so forth. Come to think of it, there's so many
interpretations (hence the many denominations) so finding the "right
interpretation" is just as possible as knowing the "right interpretation"
of a poem.
However, it wont stop me from taking historical classes based on
Judeo-Christianity. I think that I could learn a great deal either way.
It'll be a minor once I have time to take other classes. If I can, I
really want to get into either the Sumerian stuff or the Hindi
faith...those are the main ones that just call to me.
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