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Author: Subject: Some food substitutions for Tofu.

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  posted on 26/2/2004 at 07:34 AM
Yesterday I went to Lucy's Tofuhouse for lunch. I usually order the Teriyaki Chicken Bowl, but this time, I decided to have Teriyaki Tofu instead. I actually enjoyed it. It tasted like scrambled eggs with teriyaki sauce and rice. It made me think about the tofu substitutions for food for those who want to watch out for cholestrol or want to try out vegetarian-friendly meals:

-A growing amount of Californian Asian resturants are willing to substitute chicken for tofu. The texture is different from chicken, but I personally like it (in fact, thinking about substituting three meat meals a week with tofu).

-Substitute the eggs in fried rice with it (hopefully this is an idea for those that're new vegans, assuming the other products are not animal related).

-Bettie gave me a yummy recipe for vegan cheesecake a while back. The majority of the substitutes here are replacing regular cheesecake with tofutti cheesecake (along with having egg substitute instead of regular eggs).

(NOTE: Tofu is actually VERY fatty, but fatty with the good fats. Like good and bad cholestrol, there's good and bad fat. Another reason why I suggest it for egg substitutions for those watching out for the fats and cholestrol.)

This is all for now. I'm not a vegetarian or vegan myself, but I'm the type that's willing to try almost any food at least once (except things that'd instantly kill me, of course). Do not know if I am willing to pursue the lifestyle or not, but I am willing to explore the veg-friendly recipe's out there. In the mean time, I'd like to hear about other tofu-related cuisines. Martha Stewart has a few, but I'm sure this site as a whole has a lot more.

[Edited on 2/26/2004 by Anya]

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  posted on 26/2/2004 at 08:00 AM
Food substitute for Tofu.
Ok..so Tofu is a substitute for chicken. But This thread is about a food substitute for Tofu, right? I dont know of any substitute for Tofu.
Where can I find a substitute for Tofu and still stay away from meat..?? I dont know.
Air? Air is a good substitute for Tofu.

Anya, thanks for mentioning that Tofu is fatty. If something is fatty, it better taste better than Tofu, or it's not worth chewing.
What is Tofu? It's like air, but fatning.

Alright alright..correct me if Im wrong. But Ive tasted Tofu. Now, if it was really ALL THAT, wouldnt I have remembered?
I've tasted Tofu in sallad.. And I've tasted Tofu as some sort of cheese.. Is it cheese??

Tofu, is like the vegetarian equivalent of Spam.
What is Spam? I dont really know. What is Tofu? I dont really know.






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  posted on 26/2/2004 at 08:31 AM
Im pretty sure eating Tofu renders you less agressive than from eating meat.
So if we all eat Tofu..the world will be a better place! We'll all be fat..but in a "healthy,good way".. and peace loving.

My god.. Eating Tofu has the same affect as what they did to that guy in "A Clock Orange"!
Renders you harmless.
Think about it. The guy in that movie loved to rape,rob,steal,and kill.
Im pretty sure Tofu lowers your sperm count.. So he wont want to rape.
And he would have been rendered way to harmless to rob steal and kill.
I mean damn.. Look at Bettie_x .. She wouldnt hurt a fly. ..well..maybe she'd eat one discreetly (just for the protein). ..or maybe because Tofu has slowed down her reflexes,so she wouldnt be fast enough to hurt a fly.

I curious as to why anybody would want to eat Tofu .. Arent there any better alternatives??? You poor vegans. How do you live?? How do you live????!??!????????


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A Christchurch scientist thinks soy products and vegetarianism may have lowered the world’s sperm count.

To understand where the professor is coming from we must go back a bit.

The story started in 1992 when Danish epidemiologists reported that, based on 61 studies, sperm counts had fallen worldwide in the previous 50 years.

A flood of critics dismissed the study because the sperm were up in some places but down in others and had been counted in different ways in different places.

So new surveys were undertaken, with mixed results.

Young Scotsmen were discovered to have only a quarter of the sperm produced by older Scots. Parisian men were up, but those in Toulouse were down.

New Yorkers had the highest counts in the United States but Nigerians were the lowest in the world.

A Californian study showed that nothing had changed in the US during the past 50 years.

To settle matters, University of Missouri-Columbia scientists undertook a global study, analysing 101 previous surveys with great mathematical sophistication.

Last year, the team confirmed the worldwide fall in sperm counts, reckoning that Americans were producing 2 per cent fewer sperm annually and Europeans and Australians 3 per cent fewer. The fall has been blamed variously on stress, smoking, diesel fumes, eating iodised salt, taxi-driving, smoking dope and everything else.

Wearing Y-fronts was another possibility but a study on New Yorkers (reported in the Journal of Urology) showed that “tighty whites do not elevate testicular temperatures as previous supposed”.

None of these things could satisfactorily explain lowered sperm counts.

Suspicion falls most consistently on increasing exposure the chemicals in the environment especially the female hormone oestrogen, or a similar chemical used to make the plastic PVC.

Enter biochemist Professor Ian Shaw of the Institute of Environmental Science Research, Christchurch.

In the latest New Zealand Science Review, he reports that we take hardly any plastic-making oestrogen into our blood, but tons of oestrogen from soy products – 1430 times more!

He suggests that falling sperm counts have coincided with the increasing popularity of soy products and vegetarianism in Western diets.

The professor gets some support from Tokyo where only 4 per cent of young men are up to WHO sperm standards.

Sperm counts have also fallen here in Wellington since 1993. Stress? Smoking dope? Taxi-driving? Tight pants?

Not likely. More likely our lads have fallen slave to tofu-eating chic.





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  posted on 26/2/2004 at 09:52 AM
Anya: It's not just California Republic that has restaurants like that. I used to eat lots of tofu Phad Kra Pow noodles at a Thai place in Denver, and almost all Asian restaurants would substitute tofu in anything if you asked...even if it was not listed in the menu. I was doing it because I was keeping strict Kosher, and even normally Kosher meats like beef are Trefeh if they are not prepared correctly. Since you couldn't be sure, and the chances of a band of Thai immigrants following Kashrut is slim, I chose tofu. I discovered it to be yummy, so even now I order my Phad Kra Pow or Phad Khee Mao with tofu. It is interesting to me that almost all Asian restaurants even in Ohio will make anything with tofu without it being listed on the menu, but very few non-Asian restaurants will do this.
My main beef (get it?) with meat is the factory conditions under which it is produced, not that I particularly care about the doe-eyed fleshbuckets that were bred to be eaten, but the end result is the same. I'm sure Bettie could provide much more information on these factory conditions, I just eat what I want and happen to think that tofu is yum. Not that plastic tofu cheese stuff though, that's just nasty. They should never try to make anything non-vegetarian out of vegetarian ingredients, in my opinion. If you're eating tofu bologna, just go ahead and get bologna or eat something that is actually vegetarian. Soy milk, tofurkey, all those things seem to violate the spirit of vegetarianism. I mean, what if Anthony Hopkins said he was going non-cannibal but had a chef make things out of meat that looked like human parts? Seems like you should commit to one way or the other.
When I eat grilled Portobello mushroom strips, I am not pretending they are chicken. When I have yummy Asian food with tofu, I am not pretending it is meat. Maybe I think about these things too much.


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  posted on 26/2/2004 at 10:34 AM
tofu can be almost 0% fat and up as high as 50% fat. it depends on how it is made. and the hormones in cows milk are the most often sited reason for the fall in sperm count, since they are the most notable in heavy milk drinkers. oh and prostate problems and bad joints.

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  posted on 26/2/2004 at 10:34 AM
tofu can be almost 0% fat and up as high as 50% fat. it depends on how it is made. and the hormones in cows milk are the most often sited reason for the fall in sperm count, since they are the most notable in heavy milk drinkers. oh and prostate problems and bad joints.

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  posted on 26/2/2004 at 03:55 PM
Okay, likely a grammar error in the thread title. I was making this thread for the sake of giving ideas that you can use tofu instead of other things if people are worried about cholestrol or something of the like. That and I am interested in some tofu recipes.

Rogue: I'm sure it's at other places, I just mentioned Cali for it was the only place I knew of so far that did such a thing. I'm sorry if I came across wrong. I ordered the tofu bowl because I wanted to try it out, not pretend it's chicken or anything. *snickers*



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  posted on 26/2/2004 at 05:14 PM
I know, I was just pointing out that tofu substitution is fairly common even in redneck hell. I just use firm tofu anywhere meat is supposed to be used, but I have never tried it as an egg substitute. I tried going vegetarian for a while, but the meat-like concoctions were all terrible so now they irritate me. I didn't say you were pretending, but it just cracks me up that there are meat imitations for vegetarians...it seems like they would avoid the principle of meat and not just the actual substance. Same goes for non-alcoholic beer.


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  posted on 26/2/2004 at 06:58 PM
Try the Chik'N (lol) patties - they're like breaded chicken patties but soy. I actually like them way better than the real thing (no yucky gristle bits). As far as meat imitations go they're pretty damn good. I don't see why that poses a moral problem. I grew up eating meat, and so I like meat still. But for both health and ethical reasons I find it hard to eat the real thing. So, if something is good and gets close enough to what I remember...then I'm game.

Tofu is like anything else. It can be done poorly or it can be done well. When prepared correctly tofu is like a delicious slightly crispy sponge that soaks up the flavor of whatever it is sitting in...mmmmm...


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  posted on 26/2/2004 at 07:43 PM
I would find it difficult to avoid meat. Though I personally do not condone how some factories treat their animals, it's still difficult. My reasons are fairly due to health ones, as well (and financial). Some vegetarians end up collapsing and sent in the hospital due to health issues surrounding the diet, mainly for it can be difficult to get the proper nutrients that're plentiful in meat (though not impossible). Otherwise, I have great respect for those who spend the extra few dollars and time to prepare their selves meat substitutions.

I thought about eating tofu at least three times a week for the sake of keeping the bad cholestrol out of my system, which most meats carry (though now resturants are doing better with cutting most fat out of certain meat dishes). Also, for some reason, I have some good feeling in me when I eat tofu now and then, do not know why. Maybe it's the feeling that the bad fats are being cleansed out of my system...that or there's some chemical property associated with the product...or even the sheer fact that I am willing to eat certain things that many people are not.

Kira: I'll try the patties, sounds really yummy. I also agree with the tofu preparation. Nothing tastes better than a teriyaki dish of any kind.

[Edited on 2/27/2004 by Anya]


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  posted on 26/2/2004 at 08:00 PM
Kira those gardenburger "chicken" patties are about my favorite thing on THE FACE OF THE EARTH. And you don't have to just eat them like a chicken sandwich, you can use them in stirfry, put "country" gravy over them, make all sorts of things out of it, I love it.

When my brain isn't splitting, I'll pop back in and bombard you with a zillion super good recipes and meat substitutes, as you've hit on my favorite topic: FOOOOOOODDD!

I swear to god, with my metabolism, I think if I wasn't a vegan I wouldn't be able to maintain a size 7, which is up from a size 1 before I learned how to cook *HA*


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  posted on 26/2/2004 at 11:03 PM
Rogue: I don't think you were thinking about these things too much when you brought up the pretending it's meat factor.

The reasons behind considering something a meat substitute are as varied as the people who eat meat substitutes. I know people who simply want to cut out some of the meat from their diet for health reasons, and those people are usually looking for something that reminds them of meat.

Some other people consider meat substitutes as a stepping stone to getting away from the idea of eating animals, but who aren't ready to look at food in a whole new light yet.

Personally when I finally decided to completely eliminate meat from my diet, I deliberately did not eat any meat substitutes at all for about two or three months. I did that for the purpose of making sure that I was able to live without the taste of animal or something that tasted like animal. When I was sure I was ready, then I started allowing meat substitutes in. I feel like I really am eating things called "fry chick" and "chickn", etc. as protein, since that's exactly what I am doing it for. Plus tofu/bean curd absorbs all the flavors of the vegetables and seasonings in the food and provides a neat texture to the meal.

I don't think tofu tastes like chicken or beef, but it does remind a lot of people of that because of seasonings that the tofu picks up. It works great in recipes that are intended to have a bit more substance to them when meat is eliminated.

Now as for tofu and other substitutes...

Like Rogue mentioned with the Portabella mushrooms, they taste great in strips. I like them as fajitas because their texture is great with onions and bell peppers.

Jasmine rice can work really good in dishes because it clumps together nicely, and adds a lot of texture to a dish.

Guacamole works really good in tacos, as do refried beans (but have to make sure the beans do not have lard in them).

Chunky pieces of tomato in a dish are also a very good filling.

I'm finding a lot more vegetarian dishes at restaurants than I used to, and that makes things a lot easier when going out to eat. Something that my husband does a lot, is to ask them to simply leave out the meat in dishes. It's amazing how many dishes are still very delicious and filling if nothing is substituted for the meat. For some reason I didn't really get in this habit as fast as my husband did, but he does it because he has to eat out on the road so much. When you do that at a restaurant, you've suddenly got most of the dishes at your disposal.


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  posted on 27/2/2004 at 07:00 AM
I thought about it plenty, thanks, how much did you think about dismissing my statement? It seems as if meat-like substitutes are for those who still desire meat but either want to eat healthier or want to try and prove themselves better than others. This is not true in all cases, of course, for instance I don't doubt Bettie's convictions at all. Maybe it's overanalysing things (you can't spell that word without spelling 'anal'), but it seems like the desire for flesh is the thing to be eliminated from a spiritual standpoint. Besides, there are plenty of actual vegetarian dishes out there that don't pretend to be anything. I would say at this point that I would eat the chicken substitute for the sole reason that I have a chicken allergy but still like the taste of it. Kira: Does it also have none of that white gelatinous chicken spackle that is between the skin and meat?
I guess I view meat substitutes in the same light as buying a "small" SUV and acting all self-righteous because you are saving the environment during your solo commute while talking on the cellphone.



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  posted on 27/2/2004 at 07:23 AM
Rogue, if it were about feeling better than others or posturing then I would have a t-shirt made that said "I <3 Chik'N and you suck" or something. lol. Preferable a ringer. Then I can hang out with all the emo kids.

I can't imagine how that sliding scale works...so if you're a vegetarian who doesn't eat fake meat somehow you're better than a vegetarian who likes not dogs? Nonsense. I think there are a million different reasons people choose to stop eating flesh. If those kind of products make it easier, then I'm all for it. Plus some of them are good as stand alones even if you don't like the real thing.

And no, no spackle in the Chik'N patties. Like Bettie said, you can cook with 'em too...but I like to cut them up and dip them in honey, cause I'm a weirdo like that.

This thread is making me hungry. Especially that part about guacamole.


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  posted on 27/2/2004 at 07:34 AM
It's not just about posturing all the time, I just have known people who seemed like their only reason for any lifestyle choice was to try and prove they were better than others. Like I said, it is a kind of ideological issue for me and I'm probably complicating it unnecessarily. My reasons for avoiding meat, when I do, are the preparation methods and heaviness. Besides, tofu Phad Khee Mao tastes better than shrimp or pork. The substitutes I have tried were nasty, like the bologna or the cheese, and I found I would rather have something that is made for its own merit and not to mimic something else.

I'll shut up now.


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  posted on 27/2/2004 at 09:18 AM
I think most of us will agree that soya cheeze and chik burgers (or the chick nuggets even) are very different things. Balogna is a bad thing no matter what it pretends to be made of, so that fact that it tastes bad made from soy doesnt obviate the fact that it tastes bad when its made of cow lips.
chick'n with honey mustard, avocado slices, and wedges of tomatoe is soooo goood


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  posted on 27/2/2004 at 09:23 AM
Crud...what's the name of that brand that comes in the green box...I think it has morning somewhere in the name. I remember I tried that once and was pretty impressed with the taste and texture.
I'm an unapologetic carnivore, but my sister is a vegetarian. When I visit her and she cooks, there is no meat. I remember one of the first times I visited, she made a pasta sauce, and instead of putting meat in it, she used lentils. I was wary until I tried it. It makes for a very satisfying and filling sauce, and it tastes awesome.


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  posted on 27/2/2004 at 04:10 PM
Well hell fuck me for wording it wrong then.

Rogue: I was trying to say that you were not overthinking it.....AND that you had a valid point. Apparently I worded it wrong and it sounded like I was saying you hadn't thought it out very well. I didn't dismiss you.....I was TRYING to agree with you.

I was also TRYING to give the several different reasons that I know people use substitutes and I also do not ever try to posture about how this sort of vegetarian is better than another sort of vegetarian.

Next time I'll make sure to double check how I word stuff a little better.

My whole point in writing what I did was to agree with a few people on what they wrote and when I saw the responses, I realized that I must have worded everything wrong somehow.


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  posted on 27/2/2004 at 04:14 PM
I probably even worded the last post wrong somehow. I'm just having that sort of day. I think I must need a hug or something. I don't know.


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  posted on 27/2/2004 at 05:02 PM
GROUP HUG for starlight!!!!!!!
As the queen of typos, i can only say I totally understand. words can be slippery things, like eels dipped in lube.


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