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Author: Subject: It's a sick and disgusting world.

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  posted on 28/11/2003 at 03:08 PM
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2001793273_honorkilling17 .html

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ABU QASH, West Bank Raped by her brothers and impregnated, Rofayda Qaoud refused to commit suicide, her mother recalls, even after she bought the 17-year-old a razor with which to slit her wrists.


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Armed with a plastic bag, razor and wooden stick, Qaoud entered her sleeping daughter's room last Jan. 27. "Tonight you die, Rofayda," she told the girl, before wrapping the bag tightly around her head.



and even worse,

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The children say they've forgiven Qaoud and return her affection.

"My mother did this because she does not want us to be punished by people," Fatima explains with a shy smile. "I love my mother much more now than before."




And the worst part is that I am not even surprised that someone could do that to their own daughter..

 

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  posted on 29/11/2003 at 02:13 AM
I don't know what surprises me more: the fact that the father was actually telling his wife that murdering their daughter would be wrong, or the fact that the younger kids are okay with this. Do familes really value honor above justice? Why didn't the brothers have to die? Why was the victim punished? How could the mother be so shallow? How could a woman murder her own child after she had been brutally violated and carried that child to term?

The world's not just sick and disgusting; it's downright poisonous...

I think I'll take a shower now and try and think some happy thoughts...

 

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  posted on 29/11/2003 at 09:31 AM
What the Hell...

I can't believe that they did that to their own daughter...when it was not even her fault she got raped and impregnated.


 

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  posted on 29/11/2003 at 11:58 AM
it was the mother that killed her, the father was against it.
 

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  posted on 29/11/2003 at 04:17 PM
Yep...the dad said that it violated the Qu'ran.

Honor above the love of a child...how could a mother be so cold?

Something to add to the list of things that make me cry...

[Edited on 29/11/2003 by LadyCygnet]

 

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  posted on 30/11/2003 at 02:28 AM
*shakes my head*

I hope that something is done with the mother...if she goes through a...unfortunate...fate...well, what she gets for letting her sons get away with such crud then doing that to the daughter.

Yes, sadistic mind in these tired eyes...

 

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  posted on 30/11/2003 at 10:52 AM
I hope that mother will die of a horrible death. I'm against the death penalty, but there are times when it's the right thing to do. That woman shouldn't be let anywhere near a child, their personality still forming. I never thought I'd see a child saying that she loves her mother because she murdered her sister...

 

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  posted on 30/11/2003 at 09:13 PM
Whe are we to judge the religious beliefs of another culture?

What's sadder is this LINK right here...

 

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  posted on 30/11/2003 at 10:41 PM
Um, Feral, the husband, the MAN of the house, told hid wife that killing their daughter would violate that rule about murder in the Qur'an. By the edicts of Islam, the woman had both defied holy law AND her husband. Her crime was an act of obsession rather than an act of someone obeying her religious and cultural mores. God, Goddess, or whatever higher power may or may not be has the right to ultimately judge her action...but it still violated holy law...

And your link didn't work, hon.

 

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  posted on 30/11/2003 at 11:50 PM
Drops it

[Edited on 12/1/2003 by feralucce]

 

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  posted on 1/12/2003 at 12:28 AM
Well, here's a Muslim's take on Islam's stance on rape as opposed to that of Christianity and Judaism:

http://www.quransearch.com/que10.htm

I still call foul.

 

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  posted on 1/12/2003 at 01:03 AM
Feral: Man... Just goes to show how much we've been conditioned to buy buy buy without regard to anything else. blah.

What I'm wondering about is: Why do people rush so much? The sales (according to the news; I wasn't out there) weren't that spectacular, prices weren't slashed very much. Yet people thought they HAD to get all their shopping done...

I shall never understand the human being.

But as for the main subject, I'm not sure what I feel about it. On one hand, yes, this was an atrocious, uncompassionate act. But (like Feral was getting at, I think) where do we draw the line in messing with other people's cultures? I don't just mean religion, but culture as a whole.
As Americans, we would never condone such an act.
But maybe from the mother's perspective, it was the responsible thing to do.

I don't know...

 

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  posted on 1/12/2003 at 01:08 AM
Iron: no... it shows that as the subject does not effect me in any way... and as I am NOT mainstream in my beliefs... I REFUSE to make a judgement, when I am not effected and cannot be well informed on the subject...

BY THE WAY... I am not capitalist... SOCIAL ANARCHIST... I find the reference to buy buy buy conditioning more than mildly offensive *grins* but I;ll let you slide thist time...

Feral

 

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  posted on 1/12/2003 at 01:10 AM
Also... anyone that supports any national government, organised religion, or political ideal supports this kind of behavior, but in many cases on a grander scale

 

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  posted on 1/12/2003 at 01:17 AM
I didn't mean you, Feral... my 'buy' complaint was directed towards the people in your link about the trampling at wal-mart.

[Edited on 12/1/2003 by Ironboots]

 

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  posted on 1/12/2003 at 01:45 AM
Watch him jump to conclusions and set an olympic record tonight! Film at eleven...

*chuckles* thought the comment was incharacteristic... but it warranted a response...

BTW>.. it was a 29.95 dvd player...that is a great price
Feral

[Edited on 12/1/2003 by feralucce]

 

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  posted on 1/12/2003 at 11:06 AM
Sure it was a great price, but was it really worth it to trample another human being?

Thank God I do my shopping online and off peak hours...*sigh*

 

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  posted on 1/12/2003 at 11:14 AM
lady cygnet... you would probably be surprised... many would be surprised by my opinion on something like this...

if someone is dumb enough to put themselves in a situation like that, then, honestly.... they truly deserve what they get... day after thanksgiving... the biggest shopping day of the year... there is history of fights in stores, riots in malls... with history like that, one should avoid any situation that would put themselves in the line of fire...

 

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  posted on 16/1/2004 at 11:56 AM
:shakes head: Well, she will later on be reborn as a cockroach or a dung beatle,

 

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