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Author: Subject: Smut's in trouble.

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  posted on 14/10/2003 at 12:40 PM
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20031014/ ap_on_go_su_co/scotus_online_porn

- Are you as tired as I am of parents and politicians using children as trump cards? Sure, I agree you should stop sites that will pop up if you happen to misspell "Barbie" but this slogan "to protect children from harmful material" is far too broad and overused.

Parents have the options and the tools to "protect" their kids so why punish the world for the "moral protection" of those who will eventually be doing the things you see on the internet? (that's a pretty blunt and cynical way to look at this but it's basically the truth)

[Edited on 10/14/2003 by AloneSoul]

 

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  posted on 14/10/2003 at 12:53 PM
it may appear so but i do not believe it is. i read the article and as a mom , i think there should be some guidelines for porn on the net. i am female and i cannot count how many times i recieved junk mail such as: "want to enlarge your penis" or "hot teen sex"& that type of spam , i feel should be regulated , of course, in reality, if parents do not wish for kids to be exposed to such things it is their responsiblity to take an interest in what their own kids are up to not the government's.

 

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  posted on 14/10/2003 at 12:55 PM
This basically covers regular porn sites themselves and not the individual spammers which I agree, has to go (although some highly visited sites, non-porn included, are involved with hiring spammers).

I get over twenty e-mails a day asking me if I want to "enlarge this" and "watch becky do that."


[Edited on 10/14/2003 by AloneSoul]

 

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  posted on 14/10/2003 at 01:00 PM
Yeah, I'm kind of going both ways on this. I don't think there is any excuse for parents saying they have no idea/control/say over what their child is doing online. On the other hand, I really hate those damn emails and ads. And then there is the stuff that randomly gets downloaded to my computer. I had a prgram floating around all last semester that managed to wiggle it;s way into my system when I hit the little button that should have closed it. Everytime I went to my computer control panel, I got a full screen ad for naked celebs. It took me forever to find the damn thing and delete it.
Don't get me wrong, I love porn and smut as much as the next girl, but I don't want it where I haven't specifically put it.

 

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  posted on 14/10/2003 at 01:03 PM
right on!
 

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  posted on 14/10/2003 at 01:11 PM
oops! that was me. you are right, i didn't catch the rest of your first post the first go round. parents should raise their own children w/o gov't interference. the first ammendment is in question here. this country is insane sometimes. what a waste of tax dollars. i do agree w/ you even though i am not a fan of smut. when will anyone draw the line on this censorship issue. i wonder, is tipper gore behind this?hehehe.

 

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  posted on 14/10/2003 at 01:18 PM
Actually, the sad thing that gets overlooked in this whole situationis the fact that those ads are actually already illegal. It's against the law to send pornographic material to anyone without first getting proof that they are old enough to to view it. Sadly, no one actually wants to enforce the existant laws, because there isn't enough money in it. What they all want to do is make more and more laws because with every law that gets written into the books, there are a dozen riders that can be slipped in under the wire for things like funding sentator so-and-so's pet project, or outlawing the use of trackballs in schools or whatever. Basically the legislators are using the whole issue to push through other, often unrelated laws.

 

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  posted on 14/10/2003 at 03:02 PM
It would be far more productive, and protect a lot more kids if congress were to pass a law against starving children in africa. If america made it illegal for parents in africa to have starving children, then there wouldn't be any starving children.

Obviously that's as bullshit as this porn thing is. The majority of the porn sites are not hosted in the US anyway, so making them illegal will only make it so their owners (if caught) can't come to the US. If they're making a good living elsewhere, I really don't think they'll care. And they certainly aren't going to change their websites.

While it might make a few US based porn sites move their servers to another country, that's about all the effect it's going to have on porn here. The sites will still be on the net, the machines will just be elsewhere.

The only people this kind of law will effect is people who run sites that fall under the definitions but don't make enough money to move their servers offshore. That means breast cancer research and sex education sites.

This all seems so obvious that it pisses me off to see people looking at it though parent colored glasses. Just because something sounds like it's going to protect your kids doesn't make it a good thing. It just makes you an idiot for not doing your homework. When the government says they'll fix everything, that's a real good sign that it's time to start fixing it yourself.

 

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  posted on 14/10/2003 at 03:11 PM
Just a little afterthought here. This reminds me of a company meeting we just had at work. It was one of those boring meetings about what the company could do to make the workplace safer. This lady who's been working here more than 20 years was making a huge fuss about how we needed to get rid of the guns. I was a little confused but finally someone managed to explain to her that the company didn't have the power to get rid of all of the world's guns. She never seemed to accept this, but she finally shut up.

Saying there needs to be guidelines about what goes on the net is like that lady saying our company needs make a policy to get rid of all the world's guns. While getting rid of all of the world's guns and making guidelines about website content are good ideas, Having good ideas doesn't necessarily keep you from being an idiot.

 

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  posted on 14/10/2003 at 04:59 PM
i agree with you, devin. parents need to stop depending on the gov't to cure their ills. parents need to take responsibility themselves, the money wasted in enforcing laws such as these are a waste of time and money. it seems as if so many tax dollars are wasted on stupid issues like this and our country can't even provide every citizen with access to health care, protect kids living in poverty or in abusive situations. this IS a petty issue, there are more serious issues in govt that should be addressed. tax payers are not getting their money's worth with this one. most states can't even keep public schools in business right now. american kids are in danger of becoming uneducated morons. that's ok though as long kids are sheltered from anything sexual. another way for govt to keep the people in the dark.

 

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  posted on 14/10/2003 at 06:12 PM
Should I sing the song "Smut" by Tom Lehrer now?

 

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  posted on 15/10/2003 at 11:27 PM
I"m sorry shade, this is so off topic, but when you brought up the pornography spam I died laughing thinking of my poor proper mother who had a full picture lesbian sex webcam ad freeze on her computer screen for 3 hrs *roflmfao* (her computer was acting all buggy)
She doesn't find it nearly as funny as I do.
She has a new computer now

 

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  posted on 16/10/2003 at 04:51 AM
Actually a child is the only thing that will beat an ace of spades....won't somebody please think of the aces.

 

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  posted on 16/10/2003 at 07:56 AM
See? Sometimes Smut-Spam can be used in good old fashioned pranks.

 

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  posted on 18/10/2003 at 07:20 PM
Yeah, I think some of this stuff is ridiculous. Why don't they make laws based on irresponsible parents over this, if anything at all? Either way, a lot of the ways a child is raised is part of the parent's responsibility. When a parent says, "I have no control over this!", that's bull. If they need help, they should get help if they need it. Either way, it's their responsibility.

If psychologists and psychiatrists are responsible for whatever patients commit homicide or suicide on them, then why is it that parents are not taking any responsibility for these little things? In turn, if a child starts doing 'adult-like' things after the age of twelve, then they should be charged as an adult, as well. Maybe that'll teach parents and children alike to work on things. Then again, kind of my ramble for the moment. Too hot to think straight.

 

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  posted on 18/10/2003 at 08:22 PM
Yeah, that would be nice if it was that way...I used to think it was common sense to well, uh, raise your own kids. Granted I will give some people this one thing: SOME kids are yes, sadly, and as much of a cliche as it is, BORN bad. But most of the time it's a direct result of immature people having babies, people who aren't emotionally/psychologically ready for children, people who just aren't READY to have children but do it anyway (for any number of reasons), and just straight up idiot breeding. You can blame pornography, videogames, movies, and whatever till your face is blue, but nine times out of ten it's just stupid, irresponsible, immature idiot parents.
IF you don't want your kid watching porn, don't make it accessable. BUY a blocker for your internet or shut it off. BUY a parental control device for your TV or SHUT IT OFF. If I want to watch horrible, low class, cheezy softcore porn on HBO, it better fucking be there, because I PAY FOR IT. If you don't want your kids to see what I get a good hard laugh out of, then don't pay for HBO. Don't let your kids watch your stupid soap operas, or late night TV. If I want smut, I shall have smut, and no middleaged disney embroidered denim shirt wearing ninny with $80 highlights in her hair is going to tell me "no". If said woman did her motherly duty and watched her own kids, the govt would have to do it for her.
Less goddamned laws and more goddamned personal responsibility.
So there.

 

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  posted on 18/10/2003 at 09:51 PM
You hit the button square on, Bettie.

We need more responsibility and less legal issues.


Hong Kong's economy use to be better than our's for they did not have so many legal issues. They KNEW that they were getting into dirty business when they did and you know what? They'd take responsibility for it.

My bike got wrecked yesterday. The person was waiting for traffic to pass by so I went along, but she let off the brake. Partly my fault for I figured that she would have waited for traffic to clear up, but either way, it's what happens when people do not LOOK IN BOTH DIRECTIONS. Fortunately, she knows of responsibility and is getting me a new bike, but a lot of people around this area would just take off. I was lucky for it was more side than front, so I only scraped my elbow and wrecked my bike. It could have been a lot worse. I'm taking care of the wound, she's helping pay the bike back so responsibility is taken for our actions.

The two things are not related to the topic, but they're examples of people taking responsibility and using common sense, which is part of my opinion on how things should be.

 
 


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