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Author: Subject: "God/the Devil made me to do it!"

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  posted on 23/7/2003 at 09:06 AM
I dunno about that, Starlight...
Seems to me they're about equal, if not love ahead.

I mean, think about all the soup kitchens in the world, all the food drives for the homeless, all the visits to dudes on death row, all the religious private schools that are waay better than most public schools on less money, all the stuff collected for people in East Timor, Guatamala, or any other disaster-striken country, all the religious orphanages (I know, they might not be heaven, but at least its something for the poor buggers), all of the speech by religious leaders (Martin Luther King Jr, for one) against hate, all the everything! There's a lot of good out there if you look, Star...

 

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  posted on 23/7/2003 at 09:26 AM
But you can say that about all the non-religous soup kitchens (most of them), food drives, visits to deathrow (lawyers and journalists), private schools (again most arent religous), collections, orphanages and group homes (also not religious en masse), and leaders that speak against hate.
So its not religion that makes them be nice, they just sometimes find ways to be nice thru thier religion. or mean.

 

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  posted on 23/7/2003 at 01:59 PM
Ah huh. As I said, a lot of these people use it as a "shield".
 

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  posted on 24/7/2003 at 03:43 PM
Whats wrong with you people? Has nobody ever heard of Salman Rushdie?

 

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  posted on 24/7/2003 at 10:25 PM
I agree with part of what you say Ironboots. I do agree there are some religious type organizations that do some seriously good things for their fellow man. However, as Callei has pointed out, a lot of non-religious organizations do many of the same things.

I also have immense respect for Martin Luther King, Jr. He was a remarkable man, and I like to think that in MLK, Jr.'s case that his actions transcended religion and was actually done in the name of humankind in general.

Leaving the historical battles of religion behind, there are still wars being based on religion in the world. There are mutilations of young boys' and girls' genitals done in the name of religion. There are young people without access to or knowledge of birth control because of religion. There are population explosions because of religious beliefs that birth control and abortion is wrong. In many cases, there would be no cause for an abortion if access to birth control had been allowed.

Many children and women are beaten because their religion doesn't discourage it entirely. Many don't report such beatings because their religion teaches them that it's better to forgive and keep the family unit intact than to leave and not be abused.

There are a lot of people who do actually do good deeds, and who say they do it on behalf of their religion or their church. I prefer to think that these same people would also do the same good deeds even if religion had no play in the matter.

 

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  posted on 25/7/2003 at 05:50 PM
Actually, Starlight and Callei, the same could be said about acts of hate. There are plenty of wars, mutilations, no birth control, population explosions, and beatings that have nothing to do with religion.

And Starlight, I would say the same thing about the people who commit acts of hate in the name of religion - they would do the same things even if religion were not a factor.

Some people are nasty, others are nice. And it doesn't seem to consistently indicate religiousness or non-religiousness on either side. If you want to do something, you'll find your excuses wherever it's convenient for you. Be it the name of "Christ" or the name of "common sense".

Hey, not even all homophobes are religious.

 

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  posted on 25/2/2004 at 02:08 AM
Religion is used mostly to answer things people can't seem to answer. Also its used to give security for them selfs. As for the guy he claimed that "God" told him to kill those people - most likely he's a loony or giving the media something to think about.

 

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  posted on 22/9/2004 at 06:40 PM
the whole excuse about god made me do it is just about as credible as i was drunk. is they say anything like that, o well, as long as people realize that there full of shit i'm okay with it.

 

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  posted on 22/9/2004 at 09:00 PM
I think drunkenness is a very legitimate excuse for uncouth behavior. Getting regrettably drunk in the first place, however, is not.

 

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  posted on 22/9/2004 at 09:42 PM
im religious... that is the first thing i will admit... i am involved in both my youth group and my church... and i love every second of it... the second thing i will admit is that most of the stuff said alreday i 100% agree with...

it makes me so mad when people use God as an excuse for things ie: God made me do it... thats just that one person being weak and not being able to stand up and face the world... and it gives all Christians a bad name... and i dont like that, i really dont...

as was said before... in the name of God SO many cruel and inhuman acts are carried out across the world... this upsets me... cause once again, it gives all Christians a bad name... i do not in anyway, shape or form support beatings/murders/mutilations done ''in the name of the lord'' because its bull... its an excuse... and if i could have one thing it would be to have it stopped...

i dont have any answers for where god came from etc... and i will admit at times... i have my doubts about the bible (refer to ravensSOUL's post) but at the end of the day... i have a point to my life... something that makes me happy and makes me feel safe... i have good friends... i have stood up and faced the mistakes i made in my past... and it was the hardest thing i have ever had to do... but it helped me... what i am trying to get across is that not ALL ppl who believe in God are bad... that religion is worth while and not a heap of crap... its not an escape system for all people... its something perceived differently by everyone...

i am not in anyway trying to push it on any of u... b4 i was a Christian i was told i would burn in hell more times then i can count and then told to give my heart to the Lord... i gave up the converting thing ages ago cause i believe in ppl being happy, and having their free choice... God may not work for everyone, but it works for me... and i just wanted to show that not all ppl who believe in God are bad...

 

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  posted on 23/9/2004 at 02:30 AM
A thing worse than dealing with people who are a bad representative for one's religion is feeling like you yourself are a poor representative.

 

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