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Author: Subject: You're going to hell!

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  posted on 24/5/2003 at 04:01 PM
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Is it me, or did the penis get off kind of easy?


First of all, I am so surprised no one jumped on that one....er...made a joke about that.

As I see it (and I was not raised a Christian, so I may be wrong), the angels were not originally nice and friendly cute wittle cuddly thigns, but were to be feared - they carried the word of gods and were messengers (and also pre-dated christianity by many years in other cultures). And Lucifer ("light bringer") is so much like Prometheus that I am surprised no one ever discusses this - they both brought the power of the gods (in different forms) to humanity, which essentially means to lift them up out of their more animal state at the time, and were punished for it, cast down to be tortured blah blah.

And I for one think that we as humans create our own heaven and hell. And if I am wrong, then I don't mind going to hell, as I'd miss my friends otherwise.....

Great topic though! In general I have friends of many vastly different faiths who accept me and mine as I accept their belief systems. As an outsider looking in, I guess I've always looked at it the way people look at any other mythology - something to learn from perhaps.

Finally, for those who have been persecuted by people claiming the Bible outlaws this and that, it also gives the big thumbs up to a lot of crazy shit - I don't know verses or whatnot, but I am pretty sure that in the old testament, sacrifice, multiple wives, murder and deceit are pretty commonly accepted. So if some Christian gives you shit about being gay or whatever, just ask them if it's okay to kill some oxen for the crops and marry a whole boat-load of people, etc....

now, back to coveting my neighbor's ass....

 

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  posted on 25/5/2003 at 07:41 AM
It's a debatable topic. A lot of the stuff in the dogmas are based on faith. Spirituality to me is merely believing there's something beyond the sciences and evolution. And it is true that in the Old Testament, there was a fair amount of sacrifices. It is said though that the New Testament was to replace the old one and such.

I hear a lot about Heaven and Hell being the state of mind; it could be possible in the sense that a lot of dogmas are fairly symbolical. I've got no problem with people having different beliefs - as long as they're not condemning mine or out to intentionally harm anyone; I've got Wiccan, Atheist, Christian, Agnostic, Satanist (philosophy), Pagan, and other associates and it's all fine with me.

Not sure if I mentioned this in the forums before, but I feel that those who condemn others for not agreeing with their beliefs are either not secure enough about their own, trying to feel special by being "different" (wow, is that new), or whatnot...once more, maybe there's more behind it. I'm just tired of hearing Bible thumpers acting "Holier Than Thou". But I'm not perfect...sooo, hehe - maybe my beliefs are warped. *goes off and drinks some tea*

 

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  posted on 1/6/2003 at 01:56 PM
Being that we really have no idea how anything works - you get to a small enough scale and everythings confusing- it is foolish to beleive a really old book knows any thing more than a group of old people.


 

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  posted on 2/6/2003 at 12:37 PM
I read a really great short horror story involving Jesus, about how it REALLY was, and it was fantastic. The Bible has a lot of great stories (I mean if you're into blood and guts, there is no gorier sweeping epic novel in existence) and SOME pretty good advice, but then again the basics of kindergarten (don't hit don't spit and share) will get you a LOT further in life when you apply them to reality. Plus you have to understand that the bible is in no way even CLOSE to the original texts, as it's been translated to DEATH over and over and so many rulers have had it "changed" to suit their needs, there's a monstrous gap in the life of jesus between the age seven and thirty (so what happened inbetween?), the people in the bible are always speaking FOR jesus, instead of him speaking for himself, and half of the original text was burnt in the library in alexandria during that big bad fire, so we don't even have the REAL bible, just the freehand cliffnotes from about 1500 years ago. You can't totally discount it, as it has some value as an accurate historical text, and has a few good tips on being a decent human being, but all that crap about ME suffering for SOMEONE ELSE'S FUCKUP (ie: the fall from "grace") can BLOW. Talk about passing the goddamn buck, why don't you. Fuck that noise. That's why I'm a satanist, not responsible for anyone but ME. If my ass is in a sling, *I* put me there, not a fig leaf wearin twit running willly nilly eatin shit he was told NOT to. Or you could turn that around and say that since I was BORN into this miserable fallen condition, well, just run with it. can't make it worse, can you?

 

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  posted on 4/6/2003 at 10:54 AM
Ditto on the responsibility thing. I'll take the rap my own actions without claiming "the devi made me do it" or "it's God's will". Even if the courts suddenly decided to accept "the devil made me do it" as a valid excuse, I think I'd still prefer to have the free will involved in taking responsibilty for my actions. Does that make sense? I'd rather not blame it on the devil because that would be like saying I didn't have any free will.

 

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  posted on 6/6/2003 at 06:19 AM
I get a kick out of the idea that so many people have to be told that they ARE responsible for thier actions. Talk about disinfranchizing people, taking away thier self knowledge that they are alive.
there is a neat book called "am i a hindu?". it gives a good sense of what its like to see the world in a nonxian way (like most of the world) I strongly reccomend it to anyone that wants to explore thier worldviews and systems of knowing.

 

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  posted on 7/6/2003 at 12:57 AM
For the moment, I think I've shared enough of my spirituality (isn't based on just one dogma, either) so I'll save the typing there.

Bettie: I agree for the most part on your thoughts on how the Bible is likely inaccurate to a certain extent. When someone thinks I'm going to go to Hell for my electic-ness or call my way the "wrong way", I just shrug (use to get pissed off though, was my fire years)...nowdays, I am this <> close to taking their book and either pulling out lines that'll piss them off or shoving it up their ASS. I could go on and on about my thoughts on Bible thumpers and the arguements they like to use to justify them condemning me("You don't have to believe in Satan to worship him!", "Bi-sexuality is a sin!", etc), but I don't want to get carpals by the end of the year...and nowdays, I guess they're not that important enough to share strong hate for.

In matter of fact, it's said that a fair amount of the Dead Sea Scrolls were considered heresy by the Church so they were to be destroyed, but there's a fair amount of it recovered thanks to archaeologists...hehe. Then you get into the age where you have the Inquisition (also dubbed as "The Burning Times") that convicted a lot of people of sleeping with the Devil. Let me note that this went for "Witches" (women with strong influence, people who used herbs to ail the ill, sociopaths, druids, pagans, etc), Jews, AND heretical Christian branches; let's not forget that A LOT of the accused were women and children as well *shudder*.

Callei: Yeah I think it's funny when little kids (or EVEN adults) blame their actions on either "God's Will" or the Devil. To me it's them saying that they cannot take responsibility for their actions. "Am I Hindu?" sounds like an interesting book title. Who's the author? Know any places on the web that'd sell it for a decent price (I am skeptical about amazon.com now for I got ripped off on a decent translation book of the Dead Sea Scrolls)? The town I live in has only so much information concerning New Age/Occult/Religion/Spirituality stuff away from the typical Christian stuff.

 
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