I feel that, although my contibution to this site is invaluable, it is time
for me to create a forum of my own so that you can begin your incessant
ranting on a different topic. I hardly need to say this, as I know you
would have taken the liberty anyway, but: Feel free to write conplete
rubbish in this forum, I donīt care about your opinions anyway.
Heres the topic:
FIAT JUSTITIA ET PEREAT MUNDUS.
(Let justice be done, even if the world will oerish.)
Discuss.
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IronWire
Coward
Posts: 3 Registered: 11/8/2002 Status: Offline
posted on 11/8/2002 at 06:14 AM
Iīm not so big on the whole justice thing.
Of course people should get punished in some way for doing "bad" things,
but "absolute justice" (e.g. an eye for an eye) doesnt seem very productive
to me.
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IamSquid
Extreme Fanatic
Posts: 658 Registered: 27/5/2002 Status: Offline
posted on 11/8/2002 at 11:34 AM
I want to pioneer a political party that will rid the world of ugly people
once and for all. I am sick to death of walking down the street and seeing
people whoīs faces remind mee of peyote-induced vommit.
Now wait, yor saying, "Squid, thatīs horrible! How could yoo think that?"
Well, let mee remind yoo that 60% of the population of the US is
overweight, of which 40% are obese. We can solve the weight problem in a
snap!
Furthermore, thereīs all this talk about how are we going to be able to pay
th social security for all the baby-boomers. Well, baby-boomers are old
now and thus theyīre ugly (I donīt care how much yoo paid, Cher, yoo look
like yoo had the surgery and thatīs just nasty, yoo die too). Letīs not
forget that the overwhelming majority of US politicians are seniors so we
can have a fresh new start.
Iīm not saying that everybody has to be pretty, some of my best friends
arenīt pretty. I just canīt stand people who are ugly. They should have
their faces beaten with unsanded planks and have T-bones tied to their
faces while we sick hungry dogs on them. Thatīs what they get for
polluting our vision!
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i wanted to die, and then it progressed into wanting everyone else to
die so i could watch, and then me die.
-ickgirl
Comedian
Fanatic
Posts: 213 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
posted on 11/8/2002 at 12:44 PM
I canīt remember the exact name of the person who wrote this quote, I just
remember it:
"At this delicate crossroads in human history where one path leads to gloom
and destruction, and the other leads to utter extinction, we must be
careful which path we will choose to tread"
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MorteAscendo
Member
Posts: 190 Registered: 6/5/2002 Status: Offline
posted on 11/8/2002 at 02:51 PM
I have no idea what the fuck this forum is really about so uhh here i
go.
GO MARLINS!!!!!!!!
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Shade
Fanatic
Posts: 289 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
posted on 11/8/2002 at 04:58 PM
Geese! Geese! Geese!
Aahhh, that felt good. Iīve been wanting to respond to abbadonīs posts with
something unintelligible for so long, and finally I have the chance!
As for the actual forum topic, itīs just the type of pseudo intelectual pap
Iīve come to expect from you Abbadon. Itīs a perfect example of the fully
unqualified statement from out of the blue; stated in the expectation of
sounding intelligent. You have the ambiguous concept of justice (whose
justice? Based on what laws?) combined with an apocolyptic ultimatum. So, A
for effort, but itīs still a failure in the execution...
____________________ It is only through the lack of sex that humanity derives the need for an
all encompassing blind love. And in that moment of extreme horniness with
no relief in sight, in that moment can be found the birth of religion.
-Me
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Monolycus
Fanatic
Posts: 580 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
posted on 12/8/2002 at 01:34 PM
I always thought the phrase was "Fiat justitia, ruat caelum" ("Let justice
be done, though the heavens fall"), but thereīs no quibbling over the
sentiment.
Frankly, I donīt believe in "justice"... or at least not what passes for it
in this day and age. Slaughtering the innocents to achieve some fuzzy
"justice" has always seemed to me to be like burning down oneīs house to
achieve toast. If there actually is a "justice" in the Universe, then that
is the Universeīs responsibility. Homo sapiens have demonstrated on too
many occasions that they donīt know how to mete it out (or, for that
matter, what it even is).
I would also like to state for the record that I donīt believe in the
pursuit of Rache ("vengeance") under the guise of "justice". Nobody (and
this means you) has some gods-given right to revenge themselves no matter
what the whining, self absorbed id in their heads would like to believe.
If you have been wronged, make a note of it and move on. I wish my enemies
a long and productive life... as far away from me as possible.
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IamSquid
Extreme Fanatic
Posts: 658 Registered: 27/5/2002 Status: Offline
posted on 12/8/2002 at 02:22 PM
Revenge is just what will make yoo feel better for a split second, it
solves nothing more. Justice on the other hand is saying "okay, hereīs a
problem, how can we solve it?" This is why I believe in rehabilitation
rather than prison (and rehabilitation that WORKS damnit, not just public
service).
Take for example the problem of ugly people. We could just make fun of
them and ostricize them but what would that really solve? Theyīll just
marry other ugly people and have ugly little families and low and behold we
have MORE ugly people. No the solution is quite simple: Kill them! Or at
least sterilize them and throw them onto some island somewhere.
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i wanted to die, and then it progressed into wanting everyone else to
die so i could watch, and then me die.
-ickgirl
Comedian
Fanatic
Posts: 213 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
posted on 12/8/2002 at 04:13 PM
Too much Latin to do anybody good.
Itīs not even a great language. Thereīs a reason itīs dead. And the
people who devote time to it want to prove their case of "de omni re
scibili et quibusdam aliis."
Yeah...throw the uglies on an island...with the lepers, the jews, and the
kkk.
Sounds like a plan
*Sarcasm*(I know/hope you were kidding as well)
Then there comes to the issue of "what is beauty"...what you find beautiful
is FAR different from what I would find beautiful.
Itīs always a fine idea until youīre not on the jury, but instead are in
the "selection/rejection" pool.
and a man smite you on one cheek, smash him the fuck on the other! Itīs
not justice, itīs self preserverance...īcause you KNOW heīs gonna go and
talk about what a pussy you are and then youīre going to get a lot more
beatings a lot more frequently.
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IamSquid
Extreme Fanatic
Posts: 658 Registered: 27/5/2002 Status: Offline
posted on 12/8/2002 at 10:52 PM
Let the hypothetical him talk all the shit he wants. I know I can take
care of myself and if people watch what I do rather than listen to what
other people say theyīll figure that out themselves.
Sure revenge feels good but 99% of the time it feels better in the long run
to know a problem has been solved rather than inflated.
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i wanted to die, and then it progressed into wanting everyone else
to
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die so i could watch, and then me die.
-ickgirl
Monolycus
Fanatic
Posts: 580 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
posted on 13/8/2002 at 02:00 AM
Comedian: Not everything, perhaps when Iīm better rested. Shieh shieh.
Bettie: I am afraid that I must disagree with you about the vengeance
philosophy. The Isrealis take that same approach... and it works with
predictable results (viz. It increases hostilities and actually decreases
oneīs odds of survival as a limitless supply of offended parties join the
fray). Violence will only beget more violence whether it is retaliatory or
pre-emptive. A more secure way of insuring your survival would seem to me
to be to remain just as nice as pie and make coalitions... that way, he who
smites your cheek will have your many friends to contend with. Surround
yourself with enough friends and it is unlikely that the smiter in question
would get close enough in the first place, but that is stretching the whole
schoolyard analogy. Believe me, I have very little doubt about your
ability to defend yourself, but there are six and a half billion others in
the world who may not share my optimism. Personally, I havenīt the energy
or inclination to revenge myself upon everyone who might have it coming. I
am, I was, I will be
your plastic pal whoīs fun to be with,
~Monolycus
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KatB
Fanatic
Posts: 241 Registered: 16/7/2002 Status: Offline
posted on 13/8/2002 at 03:52 AM
Squid: If you need a theme-song for your political party, i suggest Boyd
Riceīs "People". Sweet song, maybe not the best for sing-a-long, but
bursting with creativity. Like bringing back the Circus Maximus! :grin:
(I expect he might _not_ be kidding, though...)
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Anonymous
Posts: 116 Registered: 14/4/2002 Status: Offline
posted on 13/8/2002 at 03:46 PM
Excellent, excellent! This forum is going exactly to plan! Mwahahaha! Iīve
got the usual people telling me what a pseudo-intellectual fuckwit I am,
and others completely changing the topic of the forum.
Well, heres another of my wonderful Latin quotes to keep you fumbling along
in the deep darkness of mild intellectual thought:
ODI PROFANUM VULGOS ET ARCEO.
Stick that in you pipe and smoke it!
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Monolycus
Fanatic
Posts: 580 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
posted on 13/8/2002 at 09:44 PM
I am sure that the rabble feel much the same way about you.
____________________ "I believe that woman is planning to shoot me again."
I"m not talking grand scale...and true vengence is well thought out...not
running around with a club.
I do believe in it, as others believe in pacifism.
I would rather be a force to be reconed with than a doormat. I would
rather spend a night in jail than take a beating with my head between my
knees.
Anything grand scale (war, politics, etc) regarding vengence HAS to be well
thought out, tho it rarely IS (ie: gulf war, "war on terrorism" and all the
other nasty little crap weīve been involved with in the past few decades).
Thatīs not vengence, thatīs retardism with guns.
Everything I do in life and say in life is carefully thought out...from my
opinions on things and my actions. I fuck up like everyone else, but I
keep it to a minimum by either keeping my mouth shut (and that is very very
hard) or not getting involved.
Israleis (spelled?) on the most part (Islamic, that is) are relatively
peaceful...the vengence that they believe in are only in extreme
circumstances like when your religion/way of life/family are in grave
danger....itīs the religious zealots (like in all religions) that take it,
warp it, make it suit their cause, that give it a bad name.
Just my pennyīs worth.
Usually I just make sure I either donīt have enemies or that the ones I do
have know not to bug me.
It has been rare indeed just how many times I"ve had to take action for my
saftey or peace of mind.
Usually I"m quite peacable and rather low key.
Iīve got a short fuse, but itīs hard to light and I donīt take anything I
do lightly.
Vengence, like religion, wine and slumming, can be healthy if taken in
moderation, and with a lot of thought.
____________________ Trapped in time. Surrounded by evil. Low on gas.
Comedian
Fanatic
Posts: 213 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
posted on 14/8/2002 at 12:51 AM
Scorpios, the Assassins of the Zodiac... No matter what physical torment
we can confer, the worst punishment of all is to be damned to do it again..
WHich is the inherent problem with any vendettas. Dooming ourselves to
our enemyīs fate does nothing.
I wasnīt able to dig up my old copy of "Amo, Amas, Amat and More" from
whatever dusty box itīs in, so Iīm going to be lacking on that translation
for bit..
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Monolycus
Fanatic
Posts: 580 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
posted on 14/8/2002 at 01:14 AM
Squidlet: Now, they are probably just as frightened of you as... well...
hmm. Iīll get back to you on that, although, honestly, if we got rid of
all the ugly people as per your wish and all the stupid people as per my
wish, and all the assholes, et cetera as per the wishes of the majority, we
would have plenty of room to park.
Bettie: I respect your position. I donīt subscribe to it, but I admire
anyone who can stick to their guns in a rational way.
Comedian: The latest Latin outburst translates to "I hate the uninitiated
rabble and keep them far from me". Iīm guessing here, but it seems the
sort of thing Horace might have said originally, but it looks like Abbadon
has said most recently. I liked your Mandarin Chinese suggestion, but Iīll
take whatever language someone wants to make themselves feel important
with. Anything is better than that Orwellian Webspeak one finds on the
boards from time to time. I am, I was, I will be
das Fremdsprecher,
~Monolycus.
____________________ "I believe that woman is planning to shoot me again."
Well mono, youīre not the only one
Nobody has to agree with me, but only respect my opinions as I respect
theirs...seems simple enough and most people around here get it which is
really really nice.
I will always leave a fight with perhaps a black eye, but pride and self
respect in tact if it kills me. I wonīt be a victim, I wonīt be a stat,
and I wonīt just close my eyes and take it (ie: anything bad that I have
control over). I donīt rush into anything...which is why I STILL havenīt
bought a new car...I have too much aries in me for my own good sometimes,
but luckily I was born ON the taurus cusp and it levels me out. I think
before I rush.
Comedian: Scorpios are FRIGHTENING. My best friend is a scorpio AND A
full blooded scottish REDHEAD *shriek*...and somehow Iīve managed to stay
on her good side for 13 years, THANK GOODNESS. Sheīs loyal as blood to
those that are close to her, but her motto is:
fuck me once, shame on you
fuck me twice you better have good life insurance.
But NOTHING is scarier than virgos *shudder*
____________________ Trapped in time. Surrounded by evil. Low on gas.
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