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Author: Subject: cigarettes

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  posted on 24/10/2002 at 11:50 AM
The way I see it is this: We're gonna all die someday, may as well enjoy the ride. Don't bug me constantly with anti-smoking or anti-meat ads. You smoke, you smoke. You don't, you don't...just be considerate of others; smokers and non.

A good friend of mine, his mother is dying from cancer. She's been a smoker for about 30 years. The thing is, she's no concerned with death but rather concerned with her family and living each day to it’s fullest.
I learned alot from that.

 

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  posted on 24/10/2002 at 10:51 PM
I am a non-smoker. I was raised by two smoking parents who either didn't understand or didn't believe that me continually breathing in their cigarette smoke was harmful to me as a young child. Consequently I was sick a lot as a kid , but now as a grown up and married to a non-smoker I am not sick very often at all. I'm not preaching that people shouldn't smoke, I'm just stating that when I was growing up parents routinely smoked in the same room as their kids. Most smokers realize nowadays the harm in cigarette smoke and a lot of them don't smoke around non-smokers. However, there are always exceptions.

I don't tell smokers not to smoke, but I don't allow smoking inside my own home when people visit. I actually had to stop being friends with someone over the smoking issue. She smoked in her own home with her kids and animals present, which that is fine as it's not illegal to do so. I never asked her to smoke in another room while I would visit her, but I told her up front that I would need to go outside while she smoked inside her home and I would come back in when she was done. She said this was fine with her. However, she would come over to my house and not understand why she couldn't smoke all over the house or run inside with a lit cigarette and then back out. I am actually quite allergic to cigarette smoke and I am very aware of this now that I don't live with a permanently runny nose. She got irritated that I would sneeze when she'd come in with herself and her kids covered in smoke-smelling clothes (which I had witnessed her putting on herself and her kids over and over again without ever washing them). Eventually she wrote me a nasty note saying that essentially she didn't think I had the right to not like smelling smoke in my own home even though I honored her rights in her home. So I just decided to not contact her anymore. I did her a favor and jumped her car when she asked me to, and then I just didn't contact her anymore. I believe we figured out we just weren't supposed to hang out with our differences.

I guess I am in an elaborate way trying to state the fact that in your own home, you are queen or king. People coming into your home should honor that fact. I have absolutely no problem with someone coming in smelling as if they've simply been smoking; that smell diminishes shortly after they have come back inside from smoking. I have a problem with people who smoke in the same clothes every day and don't bother to wash them, because they think they aren't dirty. Well they may not have grime all over them, but they are apt to offend non-smokers with the degree of stank on them. Showering is a helpful good hygiene activity. You'd shower after working out playing a sport most likely on a daily basis, and likewise most smokers will shower after a day of smoking. It's the exception who don't seem to realize the level of offensive smell they put off. At my work, the smokers are usually considerate of the non-smokers and don't harbor strange body odors for days upon end. I guess my other point would be that if you are going to smoke, please shower or bathe regularly and wash your clothes. I won't complain if those simple rules of hygiene are followed. Thank you for your time and patience.

 

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  posted on 26/10/2002 at 01:32 AM
One reason I quit on smoking was from the smell left on my cloths. Only when I'm extremely stressed out will I pick up a pack. That's when my other alternatives don't work. - Aye, I'm in the "live and let live" policy. When under another person's roof, you're under their rules, be considerate of them. When outside, just use common sense.

 

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  posted on 26/10/2002 at 03:41 PM
whenever i see my four-year-old daughter, she smells like she herself has been smoking. her father smokes outside the house (just as we had when i smoked and was with him), but her clothes still smell dirty. im sure she smelled just as bad before, i just notice it more.

i also, still smoke, maybe one when i get frazzled, but i always choke on it. **shrugs** im sure that one day that "stress time" craving will leave me too. its just hard right now being that my boyfriend smokes. hey, at least im saving money.

 

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  posted on 26/10/2002 at 07:57 PM
I never really gaged or cough at all...eh. Aye, that’s another thing. Smokes cost too much damn money, as the original topic of this thread stated. A few Black & Milds or a pack of Marlboro menthols aren’t as cheep as they once were.

I have a two quick thoughts about this. Driving the prices up on smokes is supposed to deter young’ins from smoking but wouldn’t upping the prices so damn much drive the kids to other drugs? They may want more bang for their buck and seek out other options.

Also banning smoking would just lead to the same epidemic as the prohibition act of 1920(?).

Those thoughts just popped into my head, I just wanted to put it out into the air here.

 

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  posted on 27/10/2002 at 01:50 AM
As a smoker myself (regretfully) I see one very simple solution to the smoking issue: Make the additives to cigarettes illegal!

Not all of them obviously as nicotine is an additive (I shit yoo not, just another example that American Spirits and Winston ARE NOT ADDITIVE-FREE) and because some people want clove, menthol, etc. The point is, it doesn't take a genius to realize that arsenic (in the tobbacco), gunpowder (in the paper), and asbestos (in the filter) are REALLY FUCKING BAD FOR YOO, worse for yoo than the tobacco itself. Not that inhaling the fumes from anything burning is good for yoo.

Why hasn't anyone come-up with this before?

 

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  posted on 27/10/2002 at 04:03 AM
Cigarettes here cost about £2 something for a pack of ten, not really sure how that equates to dollars. I'm fine with the price, especially as I don't normally smoke that much. If I've had a really stressful day, then I will smoke more but I normally smoke less than half a pack a day. It's just a really good way to relieve stress / nerves.

I only started smoking this year, although for ages before hand I'd hung out with people who *all* smoked. I never minded the small of cigarettes so I didn't have a problem with them smoking. Thing is, they all respected the fact that at the time I didn't smoke, and I didn't want to start. They would go to lengths to make sure that I didn't end up with smoke in my face, or permeating my clothing and I was grateful to them for that.

Ooooh yeah... As for bonging cigarette baccy. *Shudders* I got really bored and tried that once. It's about as fun as jonging *anything*.

 

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  posted on 27/10/2002 at 10:31 AM
i know i'm a little late in saying this, but i haven't been able to keep up with the forums as i'd like. So here it is for all to see: my two strips of latnium! (read with caution) ciggeretts should be free. I doubt you'll find anyone against smoking as I am, mostly because the smell makes me sick. I mean no offence against smokers, in fact I have many friends who do. It's a physical thing. They make me sick. Simple as that.

Anyway, yes, ciggeretts should be free! Why do I say this? Well, have you ever worked in a grocery store? I swear, half the forking world is on food stamps. Would you like to know what they do? Well, the food stamps go twards frozen steaks, then they come through the line a second time to buy ciggeretts and beer. Hell, beer should be free too!

You know why so many people are on food stamps??? Their weak minds have been programed into thinking that they NEED ciggeretts and beer. I'm sorry, perhaps I'm being biased here, but all things considered, both are LUXURIES. If you can't afford stuf like that, then maybe you shouldn't be buying it. However, I know that's not an option anymore in a lot of cases, therefore a lot of problems would be solved if ciggeretts (and beer) were free.

haha ok my logic sucks. I suppose I'm just sick of hearing about my mother bitching about the taxes too. heh, oh well

 

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  posted on 27/10/2002 at 10:38 AM
Forgot something. I've always wondered why anyone would wanna smoke tobacco. If you're going to wreck your lungs, you should at least get a decent buzz from it!

those are the words that got my friend david to quit though he still smokes a bowl when he can afford it. At least he smells better now *grin*

 

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  posted on 27/10/2002 at 10:11 PM
Smokes, haven’t touched one for three weeks now.
Weed, ack, waste of money and time. The way I saw some of my old friends become flat out stoner slobs, I quit that for about two years, haven’t looked back and am still counting. You can get a nice short buzz from cigarettes, inhale more, heh. Besides, just walking outside here in NJ and breathing in the toxic air will damage your lungs. *breaths and coughs* Oh yeah.

Besides, ten bucks gets you a dime or a small bottle of these choices.
EverClear
AfterShock
Vodka
mmmmmm, stomach burning alcohol.

Also for poorer folk *i know because my family was very poor about...12 years back* smokes, alcohol and drugs simply numb reality for a short time. A temporary fix is still as attractive as a fix. Oh and hard liquor makes the body feel warmer...even though it thins the blood, if you’re on the street, it’s a cheep, simple option.

 

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  posted on 28/3/2003 at 01:01 AM
God bless Okinawa !!! Everyone over here smokes and off base a pack of brand name cigarettes comes to about $2.80 americn dollars. I know its not good for me, but damnit I enjoy it. Besides, I'd rather live for 40 years and die happy then live to 100 and be miserable. I do what I want cause I enjoy it. Its my life and if its not bothering you then leave me the fuck alone. I had to go have a physical the other day and the doctor who did it (she was very cute ) just straight up said "You know smoking is evil" heh, that explains a lot... hmmm. I think I need another physical.

 

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  posted on 28/3/2003 at 01:59 PM
Sadly at this time my grandmother is dying from over 25 years of smoking. My grandfather died from it 3-4 years ago from the same. They both developed emphesyma(lord knows I can't remember how to spell it), my grandmother is at this point using an oxygen tank every day, all day. My grandfather did the same just before he died. It makes me sick to hear her wheezing, hacking, and coughing up tar constantly. My mother is also a smoker, she has not yet developed these symptoms, but I figure she will eventually. Those are my reasons to not smoke. I also know the other reasons to not smoke, such as the contents of the cigarrettes. Not to say I would never ever try one, but I do not plan on making it a part of my life.

 

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  posted on 28/3/2003 at 03:20 PM
Then I would say dont ever even try one cause once your addicted thats it! Its a real bitch to quit.

 

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  posted on 28/3/2003 at 08:03 PM
Lordy yes! I have seen the horrors! I was just saying that I don't condem it entirely by saying that I wouldn't say that I would never try it. Yeah.

 

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think that's what we're looking for. I think what we're looking for is the
experience of being alive." -Joseph Campbell

 

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  posted on 29/3/2003 at 10:02 PM
Wow, I just realised something after reading through this forum... I too bitch quite a bit about the cigarette taxes here - a packet is a bit below $10.

BUT the money actually goes to the healthcare system - which is free.
The logic being - if you're going to cost the society hundreds of thousands (that would be in Kroner...) you actually have to pay for it too...

So actually - I can live with that! Ha ha ha, especially since I hardly ever run out of tax free cigarettes, being the only smoker in a family of travellers...

 

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  posted on 30/3/2003 at 03:23 AM
Oooh - the wonderful new laws that have just come out regarding cigerettes here are... rather crappy. They're no longer allowed to sell cigarettes that are called 'lights' or 'extra light' or anything like that. EG: Superkings lights are now Superkings blue. Don't ask me why.

That also stuck a fucking ugly warning on the front and the back that gives various warnings about smoking. This thing takes up over half of the fag packet and says things such as "Smoking when pregnant harms your baby." I think the best warning I've seen so far HAS to be "Smoking causes a slow and painful death." Isn't that charming to have on the front of your cigarettes?

The labels have actually gone down quite well here - the metaller kids tend to try and 'collect the whole set!' - they cut them out and stick them on their bags!

 

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  posted on 30/3/2003 at 10:49 AM
I guess the advantages of overseas are more than one would guess. Here, boxes run anywhere from 50 cents to 2 dollars, more or less. Singles are about 5-10 cents. Just my 2 cents.

~Seth

"let that which does not matter truely slide"

 

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  posted on 30/3/2003 at 10:52 AM
If you're addicted, well, that's another issue, but if you're not.. why would you do something that brings about no benifits? well, maybe socializing with other smokers (sniff, I have no friends). Then again, I have sort of a thing about chemicals... fuck, i wouldn't take my prescription pain killers after my wisdom teeth were pulled (which really sucks, for all those who haven't gotten them out).

 

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  posted on 30/3/2003 at 11:03 AM
When I started smoking, it wasn't to socialize. I was in freaking middle school, and believe me, I found benefits.
I actually have managed to quit for the most part. It helps to have a room mate who will bust a huge can of Catholic whoop ass on me if she finds me smoking.

 

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  posted on 9/7/2003 at 12:34 PM
Smoking does have it benefits, cigarettes have vitamins and minerals that you can only get from tobacco. I don't see any nicotine in those damn Centrum commercials! seriously though, I started when I was 14. Firstly, It made me look older, and when I would walk by people on the street, i wasn't just some kid walking, I was some guy with a cigarette walking. which is Bullshit, but hey, I was 14. Secondly, I just liked them. I liked the way they tasted (honest!) the smell, the feel, everything. It gave me a legitimant reason to carry a lighter, and I liked the way I looked. But first and formost, I just liked them.

Oh, as for the actual reason this post was started, prices in florida are spectacular. The state would be fudged if they pulled that expensive crap here, because I could go to my local (literally down the street) Indian smoking stand, and buy a pack of marlboro's for about 2.75! and thats the way it is in most of the southern part of the state.

all this talk about smoking is making me want to, so bah to you all!

 

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