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Author: Subject: FWIW

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  posted on 2/5/2009 at 10:53 AM
A long time ago, I spent a fair amount of time thinking I'd been banned from the site, so I stayed away until people told me it was safe to come back. Every time I tried to pull it up, I would get an error message that said "You do not have permission to access this site." I still get these messages sometimes. Since I have gotten these messages on three different computers on two different continents, I'm assuming it's a site problem and doesn't have anything to do with my system.

I always kind of admired the fact that there was no micromanagement going on... unfortunately, it doesn't seem like there's much in the way of macromanagement going on, either. The site is inaccesible 50% of the time, the "best vampire badass" poll hasn't been updated in a couple years, the chat is too buggy to use... and so on. I know that there is no way to control user contributions, but I think it's time to do some site maintenence or just pull the plug on it.

[Edited on 5/2/2009 by Monolycus]

 

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  posted on 2/5/2009 at 10:29 PM
I went ahead and logged in when I glanced at the site and saw a new pic posted. French maid outfits...gotta love 'em. It looks like I've delayed posting long enough for the karma script to nip me in the butt and put me on probation. So, while I'm logged in, I figure I better make a post. I suggest more new suggestable pics be posted by those with suggestible persuasions...or something like that.

 

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  posted on 3/5/2009 at 08:53 PM
Pics are okay. There was one up of me for nearly a year that I never gave permission to be posted in the first place and I'm glad it's been bumped. The galleries always seem to be the hub of most of the activity, so that would probably be the place to start a revitalization campaign.

I'd say forums/main page if the ego-stroking/pissing matches could be kept in check... but I think we all know better than that at this point.

 

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  posted on 13/5/2009 at 01:33 PM
Over the last few years I have lost a lot of my motivation for maintaining the site. I don't have much to complain about these days, and I've slept with most of the people on the site that I wanted to. I know at least a few others have as well. There are plenty of people to banter with nearby, and it's hard to motivate to stay inside now that it's not raining and gloomy where I am. If there is enough interest, I might be willing to put some more time into it.

 

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  posted on 16/5/2009 at 07:13 AM
I'd love to see Shmeng return to its former glory - I pop in every now and then, see that there's no new articles, and leave again. It would be fantastic to see Shmeng 2.0 - redesigned from the ground up in web 2.0 style. I don't know if simply refurbishing the current version would actually save the site itself. It needs more newness to capture the attention of new users.

 

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  posted on 16/5/2009 at 08:10 AM
No offense, Pixi, but that is part of the problem. We pop in now and then, hoping someone else has written something, and then leave again.

Another problem is that it seems that there are a lot of different visions of what this site should be, and what behavior is appropriate to make it this way. This tends to lead to drama. I've been involved in some. No fun to be a part of, and probably no fun to read either. And the person whose opinion about the site really matters is, by his own admission, not all that motivated. And I personally don't think it's really fair for us to expect Devin to fix things for us, if that's really not something he wants to be doing.

The core of the problem is, I believe, that we all have other, more important things to do these days. Lots of us have had kids in the last few years, there have been marriages, divorces, moves, natural disasters - all sorts of things that disrupt the lives of people who used to be active here, and now use that time and energy elsewhere. It's a natural thing. After all, this is the internet.

My personal spin on things is that this place was awesome in its day, but it's pretty obvious that this is not its day anymore. I'd like to see some sort of compromise between completely dismantling it, and clinging to lost hope that it may be restored to its former glory. I'd be sad to see it disappear entirely, because, on occasion, I do really like to go back and read stuff. It's interesting to see how far I've come since my newbie days, and there are also things that other people wrote that I like to go back and reread to get insight or amusement or whatever.

Perhaps there is a way to preserve this as a sort of static archive. I don't really see a reason to continue to keep the option to post new material. Right now, the only people really posting are bots. Those of us who want to communicate with others are already doing so through other means. Maybe, at the most, it would be cool to leave active member profiles updatable, so we can keep current contact information in case someone wants to get in touch, maybe let others know what forums we actually are active in, and what handles we go by, so if someone likes our style, they can continue to interact with us in another web community.

I also think it's important to remember that Devin is not the only person capable of taking care of this issue. I don't see why anyone can't get together a site of their own, if they really want this kind of community to continue, and see if they can recreate the magic. If Devin doesn't feel motivated to do this on his own, then someone who does feel motivated should pick up the torch. There are plenty of site builders out there, even for those who don't do code. I've thought of taking this option myself, and was starting to study HTML on my own for this reason, until my computer crashed. I intend to get back on it when my life calms down a bit. I don't expect my site to ever generate the interest that this one has, of course. But then, I don't expect Shmeng to ever be what it was, either. Just glad to have been there when it happened.

But most of all, nothing is ever going to change if we keep expecting someone else to fix it. If you really, truly want to see more activity on Shmeng, then become more active. Otherwise, you don't really want it.

 

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  posted on 17/5/2009 at 01:36 AM
"No offense, Pixi, but that is part of the problem. We pop in now and then, hoping someone else has written something, and then leave again. "

You're right Schizo, but it's hard to feel motivated to write something when it doesn't look like anyone would be interested in reading it. Heck, I'm not even sure it would be moderated and posted or returned! I know that, for me at least, that's particularly depressing considering how active with quality content this place used to be.

I'm fair-to-average with web design, and I'm not sure whether I'd have the time or the skill to create a site on a par with this one, but if Devin were willing I'd be happy to take a look the code for Shmeng, and see if I could at least get rid of the bots and keep them out.

 

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  posted on 17/5/2009 at 08:30 AM
I think we all feel that way, Pixi. I do occasionally have an inspiration that makes me think "hey, this would make a good article for Shmeng, maybe." But then I figure, why bother? Kind of why I've started thinking about starting my own site, so I can write shit down and get it out of my head without any pretenses that there is going to be anything but the sound of crickets in response. Yeah, I could always start a blog somewhere, but I don't know - I think I really would like the challenge of building my own site, just to see if I can do it.

I honestly think this place has been around too long for its own good. Hate to get all historical, but when Shmeng started out, it had a higher proportion of good, solid members to noisy idiots/trolls/etc. Then came the deluge of me-too-ers who just wanted to be a part of something that looked cool, but didn't have a clue how to actually add anything, with an occasional newbie that actually added something. The awesomeness just got diluted, and then came all the arguments about what to do about that dilution. And then everyone got sick of it all, or busy with something else, and stopped adding. So mostly only the noisy ones were left. And then they all went away, too, like moths with no light to fly around. And then there was nothing. It's a natural progression.

I don't think you can recreate the early awesomeness without recreating the conditions that produced that awesomeness. And that would be to turn this into a fresh new site, with vitally interested members, and vitally interested people in charge.

However, if there really are others who want to perform CPR on Shmeng, I might be willing to add a little of my own effort to the mix. Just to be warned, my life is more than a little insane right now (I know, I know, what's new) and it's very uncertain how much I'm actually going to be able to contribute. But at least I'll put it on my to-do list, and I might be able to squeak in an article or something every so often.

 

____________________
"You can tell by the scars on my arms and the cracks in my hips and the
dents in my car and the blisters on my lips that I'm not the carefullest of
girls." - Dresden Dolls, "Girl Anachronism"

 
 


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