blackheartedsoul
Coward Posts: 4 Registered: 7/1/2005 Status: Offline
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posted on 7/1/2005 at 08:17 PM |
Yep, I'm new as of a few minutes ago. uuhh.. yeah, I'm new |
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feralucce
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 1810 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 7/1/2005 at 08:26 PM |
yay ____________________ The earth turns on a tilted axis - just doing the best it can.
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gothicmorman
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posted on 8/1/2005 at 02:33 AM |
sort of.
welcome to shmeng. this was probably a bad post to start off with. now they
will all hate you and flame you when given the chance unless you work your
butt off to prove yourself worthy. the people here take dedication very
seriously, that is why i am prettymuch still a newbie though i have been on
and off here for a few years. feral here ^ can be very mean if you get on
his bad side. but all in all he is still really cool. good luck.
[Edited on 1/8/2005 by gothicmorman] |
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Monolycus
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posted on 8/1/2005 at 03:01 AM |
I'm not sure that's true, gm. My first instinct was to flame you
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~M. ____________________ "I believe that woman is planning to shoot me again." |
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gothicmorman
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posted on 8/1/2005 at 03:10 AM |
if i were you that would be my first instinct too but at least i posted
knowing that. It is not entirely true what i said, at least not to that
extreme but generally a less elaborated version is prettymuch the way it
goes. that or the newbie doesnt post much and gets ignored. |
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feralucce
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 1810 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 8/1/2005 at 05:55 AM |
Gm: were that the case... I would have started the flame strike... you seem
to think we hate newbies... we welcome them... as long as they contribute
to the site in some, however small, way...
As for ignoring them... in a room full of vegetables...which one deserves
attention?
[Edited on 1/8/2005 by feralucce] ____________________ The earth turns on a tilted axis - just doing the best it can.
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W0rmW00d
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posted on 8/1/2005 at 06:49 PM |
The freshest one feral? ____________________ Eritis sicut Deus scientes bonum et malum.
And the third angel sounded, and a troll army did descend upon the world. |
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W0rmW00d
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posted on 8/1/2005 at 06:51 PM |
Oh, and hi, blackheartedsoul, to keep to the original thread for once. ____________________ Eritis sicut Deus scientes bonum et malum.
And the third angel sounded, and a troll army did descend upon the world. |
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gothicmorman
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posted on 8/1/2005 at 07:40 PM |
feralucce: somehow, "hi, i am new" does not seem like a contribution. yes,
you welcome newbies: as long as they fit a criteria. they have to be smart
from the beginng.
http://www.shmeng.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=XForum&file=viewt
hread&tid=695 - this person for instance was not smart and
automatically got flamed.
http://www.shmeng.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=XForum&
amp;file=viewthread&tid=693 - the forum is called 'Gothic
Enlightenment' yet 'what is goth?' type threads are unacceptable.
bitch-pidgeon technically did make a contribution but all the same got
shafted because it was not the right kind.
as for vegetables the best and worst ones get attention and the mediocre
one's do not. same with people, same with people on here. |
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feralucce
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 1810 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 9/1/2005 at 08:38 AM |
if you would like to cite information on the site - i will cite this
article... http://www.shmeng.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&
amp;file=article&sid=708 ... OF COURSE WE CERTAIN STANDARDS AND
CRITERIA
as for your specific poins... thread one... substitution of letters and
numbers for words... is obivously not up to par... thread two... stating
the VERY obvious... duh... it was not the topic, butthe presentation... ____________________ The earth turns on a tilted axis - just doing the best it can.
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Dolorosa
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 856 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 10/1/2005 at 02:38 AM |
Oh just die... ____________________ In the valley of the Goats, the Goat Fucker is King |
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gothicmorman
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posted on 10/1/2005 at 06:29 AM |
so, if you understand and agree with what i said... then why are we
arguing? Your article (very well written i might add) kinda proved what i
was saying. Newbies come in and if they are don't fit right in they get
flamed and hated because they are bumbling idiots. I fail to see what the
problem with warning him/her is. if told that, any newbie no matter how
dumb would naturally ask why and boom - they start learning right away. if
they don't like what they learn then they go away before starting too much
trouble or they stay and undergo 'baptism by fire.' of course this is only
one of many logical outcomes to being warned. |
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Devin
Administrator Posts: 317 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Online
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posted on 10/1/2005 at 07:40 AM |
I think the important thing you've missed is that it's not the newbies that
fit right in that are accepted. It's the newbies that stand out. That's a
pretty big distinction. ____________________ So Sayeth Me |
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blackheartedsoul
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posted on 10/1/2005 at 04:01 PM |
I come on every once in a while, a few times a week I guess. I also posted
on another thread, I think it was something about a good band that you
think should be recognized. I'm not sure. I will make my contrabutions(sp?)
and all. |
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gothicmorman
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posted on 10/1/2005 at 05:58 PM |
ah, i see what i have missed now. thus baptism by fire because (in my
understanding) those who stand out are usually the more opinionated ones
that will argue their point. i was thinking about this earlier and i think
that when a new person comes on they first are an annoyance because of all
the regular reasons etc. but if they stand out and hold their opinions etc
they may be annoying at first but eventually they prove themselves worthy
of having an opinion and are accepted. from one side it seems like the
newbie went from annoying to learned but from another side it is not just
the newbie that changed but the entire community shifted as well. every
single person that comes through here alters things at least slightly so it
is not that there is a community on the inside and some people on the
outside are let in but the community is all of them good or bad and every
time someone new comes along or one person's status with others in the
community shifts the entire being evolves another layer... and now i have
lost myself so i will stop talking. did anyone follow that? |
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feralucce
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 1810 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 10/1/2005 at 08:36 PM |
i didn't understand what you just said... you are special ____________________ The earth turns on a tilted axis - just doing the best it can.
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Schizo
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 897 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 11/1/2005 at 03:16 AM |
To expand on Devin's statement, it is not just necessary to stand out, it
is necessary to stand out in a positive fashion. Any troll or noisy idiot
can grab attention.
Let's put it this way. If you contribute something that adds to the value
of the site, you end up valued. If you contribute something that detracts
from the value of the site, you will not be valued, in fact, you will
probably end up being chased away, eventually, if you are persistent enough
in your negative contribution. If you just plain make a lot of
contributions that don't mean anything to anyone, then everyone will get
very, very sick of it, and probably end up swatting you like the buzzing
mosquito you have become.
Obvious stupidity will be pointed out. Obvious trouble-making will be
dealt with. Obvious worth will be commended. It's that simple.
You think the ones we like are the argumentative ones? Hardly. That's far
from being the criteria. The ones we like are ones who can express
themselves, through words or art, preferably both. Obviously, there are
going to be differences of opinion and view, and the trial by fire occurs
when those opinions are tested, and found to be well-thought-out and sound,
and that the person can defend them without starting childish tantrums and
name-calling. Able to argue your point, yes, but argumentative, most
certainly no. Anyone who comes here just feeling argumentative has about a
no-winged fly in a fly-swatter factory's chance of making it as an accepted
Shmengling. ____________________ "You can tell by the scars on my arms and the cracks in my hips and the
dents in my car and the blisters on my lips that I'm not the carefullest of
girls." - Dresden Dolls, "Girl Anachronism" |
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Abbadon
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posted on 11/1/2005 at 06:57 AM |
If you children can't stop squabbling,you won't be able to sit together any
more. ____________________ Light is changing to shadow, and casting a shroud over all we have known. |
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gothicmorman
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posted on 13/1/2005 at 01:16 AM |
^shush we're busy.
what i have seen seems like even a simple difference of opinion can make a
newbie a mosquito because the community is not used to his or her presence
or the change that he or she makes on the community but as the community
gets used to the way said newbie presents things and the newbie learns how
to present their opinions more carefully a medium emerges and all settle
into the altered shmeng mode of operation.
many things can be seen as a detraction or contribution to the site
although some are obviously detrations and some obviously contributions.
for instance another "What is goth?" thread could have been a contribution
to the site on the grounds that opinions are always changing and maybe
there are new ideas to be brought out by new and old people but because the
poster was a newbie and did not present it in a way that the shmenglings
could accept it was shunned.
i apologise for the mistake, when i said argumentitive i meant what you
said, the ones that can hold their opinion in the face of fire and
brimstone etc. |
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Monolycus
Fanatic Posts: 580 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 13/1/2005 at 01:53 AM |
quote: i apologise for the
mistake, when i said argumentitive i meant what you said, the ones that can
hold their opinion in the face of fire and brimstone etc.
Sorry to be ever-the-hair-splitter, but for pity's sake, don't think that
merely "holding an opinion" is such a grand damned thing. Any idiot can
form an "opinion" and nobody wants to hear it from them. An even greater
idiot "holds their opinion" in the face of reasonable refutation (much less
fire and/or brimstone).
Voice your conclusions and observations. Defend them as necessary, but be
prepared to alter them in the face of sound argument and evidence to the
contrary. Keep your damned opinions to yourself.
~M. ____________________ "I believe that woman is planning to shoot me again." |
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