feralucce
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posted on 16/7/2004 at 11:00 AM |
As posted in another forum...
I'll tell you what the problem with modern wicca is... they, like another
common religion, preach tolerance... but tend to be exclusionary and as
dismissive about other modes of magickal and spiritual thought as the
christian church is about all alternative religions... Not to mention
overly defensive and never truly certain of their own beliefs...
Many wiccans will mix and match, pulling from one religion and another
while leaving most of it behind. Desecrating a sacred belief to cobble
together your own religion while taking sacred names and phrases for their
own is akin to blashphemy.... there is a reason for a division between
wicca and pagan... I have seen people following Athena and Loki... but
dimissing Eris... and if you don't understand the irony and disgust of that
sentence... you need to do some research...
Next, wicca preaches "do what thou wilt, an it harm none..." that means
don't hurt ANY LIVING THING... it is impossible to do that... even a
vegetarian must destroy life to survive... Also a grgeat many wiccans
smoke, thereby huhrting the environment, those around them and
themselves... just a simple example of why most people don;t like it...
You average wiccan is so sure of their standpoint that they close off thier
mind to the point where they are unable to actually hold a conversation
without looking down on anyone who believes differntly... and that kind of
attitude is what started the fuckin burnings in the first place...
Lastly... wicca tends to be the college trendy thing to do... simply put...
like a LTG, they are not truly commited and are unable to convince
themselves, let alone those around them... Read the works of silver raven
wolf and you will see my point...
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feralucce
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posted on 4/8/2004 at 10:03 PM |
then post your opinion instead of correcting us for diverging ____________________ The earth turns on a tilted axis - just doing the best it can.
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Solace_in_Delirium
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posted on 4/8/2004 at 04:52 PM |
I'm not trying to be "snooty", I just wanted to see what other opinions are
out there. (changed "want want" to "wanted")
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feralucce
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posted on 4/8/2004 at 04:37 PM |
a conversation evolves... no need to be snooty about it... just deal and
move on... ____________________ The earth turns on a tilted axis - just doing the best it can.
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Solace_in_Delirium
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posted on 4/8/2004 at 04:23 PM |
Does anyone have anything else to say on the original topic? ____________________ The nightmares don't begin untill after I wake up! |
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Domkitten
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posted on 31/7/2004 at 04:18 AM |
what abbandon, you can think? considering your continual rejection of
reading the written word i'm surprised. ____________________ It's like kegel exercises for your throat.~Monolycus |
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bettie_x
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posted on 29/7/2004 at 10:26 AM |
Or physically able. ____________________ Trapped in time. Surrounded by evil. Low on gas. |
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feralucce
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posted on 29/7/2004 at 06:31 AM |
Abbadon: because you are not here physically to do that to... ____________________ The earth turns on a tilted axis - just doing the best it can.
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Abbadon
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posted on 29/7/2004 at 06:21 AM |
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bettie_x
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posted on 28/7/2004 at 11:34 AM |
That was the point of half my ranting about pagans/wiccans. That they're
just as goddamned pushy. And if you ever run across a non-crazy satanist,
you'll realise quite quickly that they DON'T take themselves seriously, and
quite often rarely take OTHERS seriously either. I know I don't (myself
and others) and that's why I have so much fun at my expense and at the
expense of everyone around me. This didn't start out about xians, I never
brought up xians (other than to compare the super freaky pushy pagans to
the super freaky pushy xians) so.....hm. lost my train of thought.
Whatever.
Abbadon: cuz I'm hoping it'll knock whatever screw loose you have out so
it'll stop affecting your rational thought and end the random, idiot,
one-liner blanket statements and get some actual thought/participation out
of you. Why don't you give us a good old "out of nowhere" americans suck.
It's been a while. ____________________ Trapped in time. Surrounded by evil. Low on gas. |
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Zero
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posted on 28/7/2004 at 10:36 AM |
bettie: umm...i can't remember whether any of it that i read was written by
him or not...i read few biographys about him and none of those were written
by him
and it was kinda my point that in every group, whether they be religious or
otherwise, you're gonna have a few people that take it just a little bit
too far.
personally i think that when people start to take themselves too seriously
they end up making complete assholes of themselves, and it aint just the
christians....they're just the only ones you hear about until something
like the "heavens gate" thing happens ____________________ "It is a fool's prerogative to utter truths that no one else will speak." ~
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Abbadon
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posted on 28/7/2004 at 08:59 AM |
Why? ____________________ Light is changing to shadow, and casting a shroud over all we have known. |
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bettie_x
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posted on 27/7/2004 at 01:09 PM |
I hope one hits you in the face. ____________________ Trapped in time. Surrounded by evil. Low on gas. |
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Abbadon
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posted on 27/7/2004 at 07:20 AM |
Thats an interesting point of view. I'm seeing pots and kettles flying past
my eyes, its all going black! ____________________ Light is changing to shadow, and casting a shroud over all we have known. |
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bettie_x
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posted on 26/7/2004 at 11:12 AM |
"I read of Anton's biography's and i think some stuff he wrote..."
....sooo what did he write? And if it is a biography then someone else did
it, if it's an AUTObiography then HE wrote it, and he never wrote his own,
Blanche Barton wrote it for him when he was still alive. ("Secret life of a
satanist").
As for the guy you talked to, just remember that just like xianity, wicca,
paganism, buddhism (yes, even buddhism) there are people who WANT to fit
themselves into a category, not because they belong but because they like
the IMAGE of that group. These are where the crazy "cult" people come
from. ANd he might have been an offspirt of COS, like Temple of Set, Order
of the Golden Dawn (new, not old) or something. Those people can get a
little crazy too, and they consider themselves an actual religion with
Satan as an actual deity. ANd he MIGHT be in a cult going under the banner
of COS or an affiliate. If he is, then you better tell him to stay away
from kool-aide.
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MystryssRavynDarque
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posted on 26/7/2004 at 10:31 AM |
I was in a world religions class last year (there are some neeto classes in
high schools now, look them up kiddies) and my teacher said that Pagans are
hedonists basically. They can have one god, many gods, or no god at all.
They just like the pleasures of life a lot and live like it. He wasn't
that great of a teacher, and hell he didn't want to seem bias to any
religion, but he was. He didn't tell us his religion until the end of the
semester and I had him pegged. Non-denominational Christian. He had us put
what we thought he was on paper, then he counted up how many of each there
were. Lots of people thought he was either Jewish or Buddhist, but I was
the only one who got it right. You do have to be careful with classes like
that though and not believe everything the teacher says because they might
be bias, but they can teach you a lot if you look around for yourself.
Debating with the teacher is fun. ____________________ "People always say what we are looking for is a meaning for life…I don't
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Zero
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posted on 26/7/2004 at 07:42 AM |
To be honest i didn't really know whether Satanism was considered a
religion or not...cause, lets be honest, just about any wacko with a book
and several dumb fuck followers can start a club and somewhere along the
lines call themselves a religion. I read of Anton's biography's and i think
some stuff he wrote...
Anyway the guy i was talking about was creepy and spoke as if it was a
religion. It sounded like he had been braiwashed or something. guys like
him are main targets of cults. (A young and insecure person who's looking
to be excepted looking for a place where he/she belongs.....blah blah blah)
A LITTLE OFF TOPIC
"... but they have a need to imagine themselves to be somethingmore... and
as such, they jump at the chance to Roleplay"
*points up* You aren't serious about that are you? That's just a joke
right? I guess i can understand how you arrived at that analysis, but then
it doesn't just come from the wiccans.
The way i see it, it's not them wanting to imagine themselves as something
more....it's them wanting to be apart of something bigger than themselves.
That to me is just a part of human nature. I mean read ferals article about
shmeng if you want an example. That kind of behavior is in every religion
and in just about every social setting. ____________________ "It is a fool's prerogative to utter truths that no one else will speak."
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feralucce
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posted on 26/7/2004 at 06:45 AM |
theows in his two cents...*
Bettie... on your cult point... I would ahve to agree, but that is not
really wha tmost of the world believes... the CHURCH calls wiccans a
cult... and if THEY had a leader, they MIGHT be able to be dangerous to
akruller or two...
but I also agree with Schizo... I know several satanists (one makes these
AWESOME jesus on the cross marionettes)
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bettie_x
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posted on 26/7/2004 at 03:05 AM |
Schitz, baby, you do what feels right, but there's no such thing as "wasted
time" when you're learning about something new. Even if you don't agree
with him, Lavey's writing is a fucking hoot, he cracks me up. Plus as an
added benifit, he's easily bored and had a short attention span when things
got booring, hence his books are short, precise, and almost WRITTEN for
people with short attention spans. Needless to say I didn't have to read
him twice to understand.
And as far as backbones, the COS isn't even JUST about protecting yourself,
it's got quite a bit about getting even or making a point to assure that
person and everyone they know that they DO NOT fuck with you. EVER. If a
man smite you on one cheek, BASH him on the other, there is no dignity in
being a doormat, yah yah blah.
One of the KEY things I hate about fucking "white lighter" pussies is their
goddamned "rule of three". They call people who don't subscribe to "white
light" (you can call it what you want, but bullshit is still BROWN) are
"bad people" and how terrible they are wank wank wank and ALWAYS fall back
on RO3. Well it states you don't do harm (even to someone who deserves it)
because it'll come BACK on you three times harder. Well you self righteous
sissies, if "we're" bad because we don't subscribe to peacenik hippie crap,
then where is YOUR rule stating "Don't cause harm because it's MEAN to do
that and we're GOOD people"? They use the fucking RO3 like a mother uses a
boogeyman under the bed to a child to make sure they don't get up for water
when mommy and daddy are playing "leapfrog" in the middle of the night.
It's a threat, a boogeyman, a fear tactic to keep control of people. It
doesn't make you a good or better person, it makes you a 'fraidy-cat.
And if I hear one more references to Salem and "those who died for the
cause" I'm going to fork someone. NONE OF THOSE DEAD PEOPLE WERE INVOLVED
IN WITCHCRAFT AND WOULD HAVE DONE THE SAME TO THEIR NEIGHBORS IF THEY'D
GOTTEN AROUND TO IT FIRST! They weren't martyrs for new-agers, they were
victims of mass hysteria, bored hormonal teenage girls in a restricted
repressive social enviroment, and possibly ergot poisoning from an
unseasonable warm/wet spell before harvest (puritans on LSD!). So shut up.
Yeah yeah I did a sophomore report on it in highschool, but to my credit I
was 15 and didn't know shit about it. ____________________ Trapped in time. Surrounded by evil. Low on gas. |
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Schizo
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posted on 26/7/2004 at 02:05 AM |
You know, I don't know much about Satanism, (except for the obvious bit
about not being devil-worship.) But I DO know a Satanist, and am glad to
know her, too! (Yes, I'm talking about you, Bettie darlin'!)
All I can say is, the Satanist you talked to must have been kind of wacko
himself, and not in a good way either. Anything can be taken too far, and
it sounds like he took the whole fuck-people-over bit waaaaaaaay too far,
or at the very least communicated himself pretty damn badly.
If my girl Bettie is any indication, COS isn't about fucking other people
over as much as it is not allowing anyone else to fuck you over. Or your
good friends too, for that matter.
Personally, I have suddenly developed an overwhelming desire to learn more
about Satanism. It's been a while since I adopted a religion to study. So
far it's only been Christianity and Wicca. Neither of them tend to have
much backbone in the face of nasty people doing nasty things. I think
maybe I have something to learn from this kick-ass religion/philosophy to
fine-tune my technique and mindset while dealing with these fuckers. ____________________ "You can tell by the scars on my arms and the cracks in my hips and the
dents in my car and the blisters on my lips that I'm not the carefullest of
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