A few weeks ago, a local public school found out that preachers had been
signing in as guests and eating lunch with elementary students. The
preachers sat with students who went to their churches, and some sat with
students they didn't know. Either way, religion and why those students
needed to be religious became the topic of discussion. When the school
officials realized what was going on, the shit pretty much hit the fan.
Parents got pissed because these people could just walk into the school and
do pretty much whatever they wanted to with the students as long as they
weren't infringing on class time. Parents got pissed because their 8 year
olds were told they were going to hell because they didn't worship under a
particular religion or attend a specific church. Other parents got mad
because they liked the preachers being able to go into the school and talk
to the students about god.. They felt it was something the normal school
day was lacking, and of course it's lacking in public schools because the
majority of people feel it is not a school appropriate topic.
The bigger result of all this is a state-wide contraversy about allowing
preachers into the schools to talk to students during their lunch times.
The bible thumpers like it because they want to "get in touch with the
youth." However, they threw a fit when they were told that because of the
discrimination laws, they would also have to allow Satanist or Pagan
Ministers too. There was also some talk about them also having to allow
cult leaders if they allowed some of the mainstream religious groups into
the schools.
It hasn't ended yet. The churches are still pushing to be let into the
schools and pushing that only religions that worship God (i really don't
see how they can argue that, because who can say who god really is) be let
into the schools. As of right now, the principals of the schools are
allowed to oversee any religious person visiting the school, though they
are urged to not let preachers in.
What do you all think about all this?
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callei: I'll put on my english perfesser(I KNOW it is misspelled) outfit
and take a picture
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Domkitten
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posted on 28/7/2004 at 06:53 AM
damn, schiz, you put da smack down, sheeattt....
Impressive.
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callei
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posted on 28/7/2004 at 06:18 AM
I *really* wish that we could have had graphics with that. I would love to
have seen Bane in a jester's costume and Feral dressed up like Judge or
English Professor. THAT would make good TV. with Schiz as the voice over
explaining the action and giving "play by play" commentary.
Who's with me? I bet we could pitch it to FOX. They will buy anything as a
sitcom.
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I have to say... I find those people mystifying... I vas cornfuzzled
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Schizo
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posted on 28/7/2004 at 02:29 AM
I just thought that maybe Bane might have an easier time figuring out what
just happened if it were all spelled out in one post. Maybe then he'd be
embarrassed enough to drop it.
I mean, God! How much of a fool can you make of yourself to insist you
never quoted something when it is RIGHT THERE FOR YOU TO READ! To deny
having quoted it TWICE! And really, that quote was key to his argument,
since it was based on it that he threw out Buddhism as a religion!
And considering the fact that he only quoted PART of Webster's definition
of religion, only the part that supported his argument! And what a whiny
little pansy he turned out to be. Feral hanging his argument on one quote?
If I counted right, Feral's initial argument hung on 7 or 8 different
quotes and facts, and his rebuttal of Bane's reply had about 5 key points.
It was only after that point that the argument became about the Webster's
dictionary quote, and then only because Bane was such an idiot that he
couldn't even figure out what he himself posted.
Don't worry Feral, I don't think you have to feel stupid in this case, as
usual!
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RandomZion
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posted on 27/7/2004 at 08:02 PM
As a Christen and a member of society, I would like to say that these men
are an embarrassment to the faith community. I would never want anyone
going into my child's lunch room and trying to force an opinion on them,
like those men did. Especially one that is a heavy life changing choice
like converting to one faith or another. There is a time, a place and an
age for that and it is not then there or that age. Those men should have
known better and the school should go under some sort of investigation for
being so lax on their security.
Goddamned girl, when did you get enough free time on your hands to do
THAT?! I mean, come on, getting on someone for staggering over their own
words, backtracking, and then partially aquiescing to the fact they're
wrong only to then say that someone using their own argument to win an
argument is a "weak thread" is one thing, but cutting and clipping and
making the whole thing COHESIVE and understandable? Goddamned.
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Schizo
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posted on 27/7/2004 at 02:45 PM
Bane : Buddhism not a religion. "New Age" religions not documented in
past. Prove the opposite.
Feral : Religion = set of beliefs based on leading of religious teacher,
cause pursued with zeal and devotion. Buddhism from 528 BC w/ religious
book - Tipitaka. Asatru from 1000 AD w/ religious book - Havamal.
Scottish witchcraft, 1563 AD, familial records. Polytheism of Romans +
Greeks well documented. Native American religions 200 yrs. +, oral
traditions. Shinto 500 BC, with Buddhism national religions of Japan since
before Christ.
Bane : No god in Buddhism, therefore not religion. Webster.com - service
or worship of god or supernatural. No continuing priesthood for Greek
Pantheons. Shinto no longer national religion of Japan. Havamal has
nothing to do with Buddhism.
Feral : Websters written by Church of England, therefore biased. Buddhism
based on supernatural. St. Peter's original church no longer exists, so
Christianity in same boat as Greek mythology. Havamal - ASATRU, not
BUDDHISM! Buddhism + Shinto both under Tipitaka. Definition of terms
important to discussion.
Bane : No reference to Websters in last post. Did not understand Asatru
reference.
Feral : Websters.com = Websters dictionary. Definition from WEBSTERS
siting religion as cause held to with ardor and faith.
Bane : Did not mention Websters, mentioned Brittanica.
Feral : Quotes Bane's post mentioning Websters.
Bane : Your argument is weak if you hang it on one post (Websters
dictionary)
Feral : You ignored the part of your own source that contradicted your
argument, you chose to make the argument about the Webster's quote.
Bane - entire argument based on partially quoted Webster's definition of
religion needing a god, throwing out religions for reasons that would
disqualify Christianity, and misunderstanding part of Feral's post. Also
apparently cannot remember his own sources, even when they are right there
to read.
Feral - bases argument on complete definitions (even the complete Webster's
definition), and well-researched examples of "New Age" religions that have
been documented in the past.
Also, Bane seems to mistake Feral for a Wiccan, even though he clearly
stated he was a follower of Eris, further enforcing the impression he gives
of being unable to read.
Winner, Feral.
And Bane can go sit at the kiddie table.
[Edited on 7/28/2004 by Schizo]
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of
girls." - Dresden Dolls, "Girl Anachronism"
BANE: no offense, but a) you ignored that even in the same fucking source
it states "a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and
faith" which supports my view... I was not "hanging my argument" on one
source I was framing a point... but you chose to make it about " i DID NOT
CITE THAT SOURCE." making it a fuckin issue... I am through responding to
you as this really, is a waste of my time...
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Abbadon
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posted on 27/7/2004 at 07:15 AM
Suppose, hypothetically, and remember I said that, that God exists. And you
knew that people who don't believe in God were going to hell. And you were
a nice person. Wouldn't you want everybody else to believe in God so they
didn't all have to go to hell? You be a bastard if you didn't. So give us
poor priests a break, would you?! What priests say could just be right you
know. You have no proof either way, so why are you so strongly against
it?
BB.
Abbadon
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Bane
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posted on 27/7/2004 at 07:08 AM
ok... but one quote to hang your chain of evidence upon is very very
thin...
"Ferraluce: There is no god involved in Bhuddism.(btw. there are two
mainstreams in Bhuddism you didn'T mention...)
Bhuddism has a spiritual leader, but that DOES NOT define religion.
as
webster.com --- RIGHT FUCKING HERE... there it is... right the fuck here...
in the middle fo the first paragraph... RIGHT THE FUCK HERE
states, religion is a "service and worship of God or the supernatural".
[Edited on 7/26/2004 by feralucce]
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Bane
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posted on 25/7/2004 at 02:40 PM
@Ferraluce: I DID NOT mention webster... i mentioned
BRITANNICA.COM...(couldn't find even one reference to WEBSTER.COM)
So you can't bite me using a source that I DID NOT PROVIDE ... ;-)
really... read my post where i gave some links... I did not quote
webster...
*pedantic*
"Budhism is documented as far back in history as 528 bc and they have a
religious book called the
tipitaka(http://www.accesstoinsight.org/canon/)
Asatru documented in the 10th century ad... they have a book, the havamal"
I thought you meant Bhuddists because you missed a full stop...I know what
the Edda is...