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Anya
Extreme Fanatic   Posts: 656 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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 posted on 15/5/2003 at 09:13 PM |
I was researching Wicca on the web and out of the blue, this article
happens to be on the results:
http://www.landoverbaptist.org/news0702/wiccans.html
My thoughts on this site is this: How ignorant can someone be? Or better
yet, how bored can someone be? A more polite set of questions for asking
how hypocritical this person is.
Nothing against faiths, spirituality, and/or religion in general, but as
far as this individual goes, this is doing a several things:
-Making me tempted to bash King James over some Bible thumper's head.
-Tempting me to find this guy and smack him for disturbing the peace.
-Tempting me to find this guy and paint a giant nazi symbol on his
house.
-In irony, chuckle politely from the mere amusement of someone's desire to
be totally ignorant...but at the same time twitch in paranoia.
-Makes me continue to wonder how hateful people can be. :/
Everyone's going to have their thoughts, my over all conclusion about this
fanatical document is......
According to this site, I'm the anti-Christ. *snickers*
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bettie_x
Extreme Fanatic  Posts: 1570 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 5/10/2004 at 08:20 PM |
Abb you make as if to sound that you don't have tea and cookies up your's
just BEGGING for company!
I, personally, think schitz's ass would be a preferable place to other's
asses. She'd at least have the tact to put down a throw rug and make you
wipe your feet on the way in. ____________________
Trapped in time. Surrounded by evil. Low on gas.
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pale-face
Fanatic   Posts: 478 Registered: 22/9/2004 Status: Offline
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posted on 3/10/2004 at 02:55 PM |
| Strong words from a man who dosen't know his ass from his elbow. ____________________
fucking classy.
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Abbadon
Fanatic  Posts: 499 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 3/10/2004 at 01:21 PM |
| I'd back away if I were you. You'll suffocate yourself spending that much
time up Schizo's arse. ____________________
Light is changing to shadow, and casting a shroud over all we have known.
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pale-face
Fanatic Posts: 478 Registered: 22/9/2004 Status: Offline
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posted on 3/10/2004 at 07:41 AM |
| understandable. *backs away from computer a bit* ____________________
fucking classy.
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Schizo
Extreme Fanatic  Posts: 897 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 3/10/2004 at 04:14 AM |
Thanks, Domkitten.
And Pale-face, if your brain is truly going to explode, then maybe you
better keep away. I'm afraid that the idea of witnessing someone's gray
matter splatter about rather turns my stomach. It's one of my little
quirks. ____________________
"You can tell by the scars on my arms and the cracks in my hips and the
dents in my car and the blisters on my lips that I'm not the carefullest of
girls." - Dresden Dolls, "Girl Anachronism"
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pale-face
Fanatic Posts: 478 Registered: 22/9/2004 Status: Offline
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posted on 2/10/2004 at 02:00 PM |
| Wow... I’m dumbstruck. schizo, if I ever get a chance and the financial
means, and your consent, I’m going to come see you and talk. My brain will
explode. As domkitten pointed out, you say some amazing things. ____________________
fucking classy.
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Domkitten
Fanatic  Posts: 470 Registered: 23/9/2002 Status: Offline
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posted on 2/10/2004 at 10:35 AM |
| Shciz, sometimes you say the most amazing things...so powerful and true,
and painful and full of emotion, and so very very true.... ____________________
It's like kegel exercises for your throat.~Monolycus
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Schizo
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 897 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 2/10/2004 at 08:15 AM |
I don't know what you mean by "them", but to me, it means my mother, my
father, my brother, my aunts, my uncles, my cousins, my grandparents, my
childhood friends, my mentors, my teachers, and at one time, even me. And
I know, from experience, how "they" have tested the stories and concepts,
and have had so many of these "truths" fall flat beneath them, and have
fallen with them, and how "they" have ignored their experiences, and still
trust the same way, and find fault with themselves instead of their
beliefs. I'm not judging, I know from experience that it does not help
them sleep at night, and I'm not about to just shrug my shoulders and say
"so be it."
I am tired of watching my otherwise intelligent friends and family drift
away from me, because fear keeps them wallowing in the same old pit of
futility, as I move on and grow. I am tired of being seen as someone who
is "falling away" instead of growing and developing. And there's nothing I
can do about it, except hurt, because "they" all have their ears closed
fast against the slightest hint of anything else.
Everything, EVERYTHING they claim their way of life gives them, I have
found without those weights and ties, and more on top of it. More peace,
more love, more strength, more courage, more joy. I am tired of seeing the
people who love me get DISAPPOINTED, inside, when I am happy, because that
contradicts the expectations they have been fed. And if not disappointed,
they just plain don't believe it. After all, how could I be happy and at
peace without being "right with God?"
I am saddened, angry, hurt, and frustrated. All the more because I know it
is their decision, not mine, and there's nothing I can do to open minds
whose owners prefer to keep them closed. But I will never, NEVER just say
"so be it," or pretend that they're happy that way, when I know they
aren't. I can't fight it, but I refuse to like it. ____________________
"You can tell by the scars on my arms and the cracks in my hips and the
dents in my car and the blisters on my lips that I'm not the carefullest
of
girls." - Dresden Dolls, "Girl Anachronism"
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pale-face
Fanatic Posts: 478 Registered: 22/9/2004 Status: Offline
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posted on 1/10/2004 at 05:00 PM |
What is so horrible about the words "I don't know"? -schizo
Nothing. They are probably some of the most important combination of words
we as humans have put together. But in terms of religious beliefs, the term
I don’t know would have never come into their heads because to them the
stories and concepts in the bible have been tested tried and true. It’s not
to us to judge weather its wrong or not. If it helps them sleep at night,
then so be it. ____________________
fucking classy.
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Schizo
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 897 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 30/9/2004 at 02:28 AM |
I think often it is a fear of the words "I don't know." Those three little
words that seem to strike such fear into so many intelligent (and
otherwise) people's hearts. The people that I know, they "know" that the
Bible is true, and they "know" that their church founder was a prophet
straight from God, and if you ask how they know, they either shut up, or
evade, or shout "faith, faith!" If they could just admit "I don't know,
but this is what I think, and how I want to live my life," then perhaps we
could interact more pleasantly, but they can't. They are so afraid of not
knowing, that they convince themselves that they DO know, and then because
they know these things so firmly, they start judging me because I'm so
mistaken as to set those things aside.
What is so horrible about the words "I don't know"? I would rather not
know something than be convinced of something that might not be true. If I
admit I don't know something, then maybe I can find it out somehow,
someday. But if I'm so convinced that 2+2+8, then how can I be shown
differently?
I think it is a necessary part of basic intelligence and confidence to be
able to distinguish between what you know and what you don't know. It is
necessary to test your theories and thoughts to see if they actually hold
water. It is necessary to try to prove your theories wrong. After all, if
your theory is actually correct, it will stand up to rigorous testing, and
you have nothing to fear! In fact, all you have to fear is being proven
wrong, and what's wrong with that? And who knows? You might get proven
right, and then you can be fully confident in your theory without resorting
to evasions. Anyway, it's better to hold a theory and get it proved wrong
then to hold it, and never test it, and live your life based on a
fallacy.
I believe in a hearty attitude of "I don't know, but I do think, and I'm
sure as hell going to find out if I can." ____________________
"You can tell by the scars on my arms and the cracks in my hips and
the
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dents in my car and the blisters on my lips that I'm not the carefullest
of
girls." - Dresden Dolls, "Girl Anachronism"
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pale-face
Fanatic Posts: 478 Registered: 22/9/2004 Status: Offline
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posted on 29/9/2004 at 04:16 PM |
| Schizo, you raise a good question. and in as in many other instances,
ignorance is bliss. people would rather not comprehend what they are doing. ____________________
fucking classy.
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punkwriter
Coward   Posts: 5 Registered: 23/9/2004 Status: Offline
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posted on 29/9/2004 at 02:03 PM |
These are some excellent points, Schizo, Ironboots and Monolycus. I agree
with you in that it is a travesty when a briliant individual shuts down
there mind. This is a dilemna I have pondered many times. One of the
theories I have concluded after many discussions. Is one that you have
already thought upon.
I think that after a certain point of questioning something that cannot be
proven absolutely true or absolutely false through conventional means, an
individual must make one of three decisions. Either they must decide that
they will believe in nothing because if there is not absolute truth proving
that that something exists the only logic they can see is that it does not
exist. The second option one may decide to accept, as Schizo put it, is to
have "blind faith" in what they have been taught no matter how ludicris it
may sound to someone who has been taught something different.
The third option is the logical one to me and that is that the individual
decides to realize that life is split into the tangable and the intangable,
the concrete and the abstract, and the objective facts vs. the subjective
truth. When this is realized one then decides to except a level of the
abstract and subjective to enable them to have hopes and dreams that may
not seem realistic in a logical world. This may be achieved by spiritual
belief or by subscribing to a certain religion. But the thing that
separates this individual from the fundamentalist jurkoff, is that they
decide to base there anger, judgement and condemnation of others upon
absolute objective fact that can be backed up through real evidence, (ie. a
court of law, scientific experimentation, etc.) as apposed to basing there
judgement or anger upon subjective based beliefs that are backed by a book
or doctrine that is true because people have such strong faith that it is
and because it cannot be proven false.
Then they use there religious or spiritual beliefs as personal foundations
to strengthen the abstract and intangable elements of their life. Like
love, happiness, belief in an after life and things of that nature that can
help live a less stressful life.
____________________
Waking up to a sleepless world, only now do I truly understand the depths
of my abstract dream. In a reality that never sleeps who's to say that the
dilusions are not reality themselves?
—Me
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Schizo
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 897 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 29/9/2004 at 01:19 PM |
You hit the nail right on the head, Ironboots. I know plenty of people do
it, but WHY!?
And I still haven't come across quite the same dichotomy, to quite the same
degree, in any other place. I'm talking Ivy League and Oxford level
intelligence, and not just intelligence, but just plain good sense, turned
off in a heartbeat to swallow the most outrageous propaganda, without even
an inkling that they're doing it. And people who will take the harshest
correction with the utmost humility suddenly getting vehemently defensive
the moment you so much as hint that such whole-hearted embracing of such
extreme dogmas might not be the wisest thing. I know everyone has their
blind spots, but they make their blind spot their greatest pride. Of
course, they call it "blind faith", but it's the same thing, isn't it?
But yes, that dichotomy exists everywhere you turn, religion or no
religion. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that everyone does it to some
small degree.
I just think people need to realize that religious fanatics come in all
shapes and sizes. They aren't all back-woods pea-brained hicks. Even the
brilliant, talented, well-traveled and erudite can turn off their minds,
along with the dim and inexperienced. It's sad, but true. ____________________
"You can tell by the scars on my arms and the cracks in my hips and
the
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dents in my car and the blisters on my lips that I'm not the
carefullest
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of
girls." - Dresden Dolls, "Girl Anachronism"
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Ironboots
Extreme Fanatic  Posts: 893 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 29/9/2004 at 08:55 AM |
I suppose its one of those "no matter how many times I see it, I still
can't understand why they do it" kinda things, Mono...
I see the same thing in loggers who love the woods, hate clearcuts, but
keep on doing what they do, just because their father was a logger, and
their father's father was a logger, and their father's father's father was
a logger. There are other jobs for these people, other industries, as well
as alternatives to wood products, but they just don't get it. ____________________
Piggy's got the Conch!
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Monolycus
Fanatic  Posts: 580 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 29/9/2004 at 02:54 AM |
"And I still can't figure out how such amazingly smart and insightful
people can just turn off their minds without feeling the same mental check
that I did. "
Umm... Schiz... you're not new around here or anything. The
otherwise-intelligent-turning-off-their-higher-critical-faculties thing is
going on around you all the time... and it's not always about religion. Go
through the backlogs a bit, sweetie. This should not come as a
surprise.
~M. ____________________
"I believe that woman is planning to shoot me again."
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Schizo
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 897 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 29/9/2004 at 02:21 AM |
You know, it's strange. The people I was raised among prided themselves on
their intelligence and education, even if it was self-education. It seemed
like everyone knew multiple languages, many of them dead, or was a debate
champion, or could play some musical instrument, often several. Their
grade-school children knew more about history and geography than many
college graduates, and I credit them largely with the fact that I am not
your run-of-the-mill no-college ignoramus.
And yet, when it came down to deciphering right and wrong, these brilliant,
highly-educated people seemed to just shut their brains clean off. Not
just blindly believing the Bible, which is bad enough (if you're going to
put trust in a book, do it with your eyes open, please!), but they would,
with robot-like precision, interpret the Bible exactly the way their
long-dead but still seemingly powerful church founder did.
Eventually, I had to get out of there. My mind had been torturing me for
years with the dismal fact that I really didn't agree with what I was being
fed. It took some time, though, to break through the years of conditioning
and training that kept me obediently doing things I didn't truly believe
in. I'm only now feeling that I'm really starting to get free from the
programming.
And I still can't figure out how such amazingly smart and insightful people
can just turn off their minds without feeling the same mental check that I
did. Unless they do - come to think of it, they probably do - but are
afraid of the consequences of following through with what they really
think. You've got to remember - the stakes are pretty high. Burning
forever is pretty damn serious.
[Edited on 9/29/2004 by Schizo] ____________________
"You can tell by the scars on my arms and the cracks in my hips and
the
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dents in my car and the blisters on my lips that I'm not the
carefullest
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of
girls." - Dresden Dolls, "Girl Anachronism"
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pale-face
Fanatic Posts: 478 Registered: 22/9/2004 Status: Offline
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posted on 28/9/2004 at 07:45 PM |
| I must say schizo those cabbage patch dolls are iffy characters. but never
the less I cant quite wrap my mind around how Christianity has been such a
large say in what people do. They are simply to ignorant to have that kind
of power. Not to say I don’t believe in there studies, I’m a bourn and
raised Christian. I’ve been to Italy to see the Vatican and many other
famous churches of the ages. But their beliefs are at times forced upon
people, and that’s just simply not right. o well, thats my 2 cents. ____________________
fucking classy.
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Schizo
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 897 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 28/9/2004 at 02:34 AM |
Don't worry punkwriter, the place is a big spoof. And a good one at that!
I don't have any solid proof, but I'm an ex-fanatic myself (thank the dear
Lord for saving me from a life of terminal self-righteousness), so I know
how they work, and more importantly, how they don't work. And Christian
fanatics don't brag about how they cast the first stone (see one of the
links on the side of the Landover page.) Not to mention sell Fornicator
brand WhatWouldJesusDo thongs.
The scary thing is, the spoof isn't so far off from reality. When I was a
child, I was not allowed to have a Cabbage Patch doll, because supposedly
they had demonic ties or something half-cracked like that. I guess there
was some story going around about some poor kid who developed an eating
disorder around the time she was given a Cabbage Patch Kid, and it turned
out her doll was named after some Indian goddess of starvation or
something. Anyway, it was enough to cause panic in the ranks, and as a
result, I was the only girl in my class without a real, live, true blue
Cabbage Patch Kid doll. I'm still dealing with the scars. *snff snff*
Damn fanatics... ____________________
"You can tell by the scars on my arms and the cracks in my hips and
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the
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dents in my car and the blisters on my lips that I'm not the
carefullest
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of
girls." - Dresden Dolls, "Girl Anachronism"
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punkwriter
Coward Posts: 5 Registered: 23/9/2004 Status: Offline
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posted on 27/9/2004 at 09:06 PM |
Holy shit man. That is fuckin funny. OK I am new on this site so none of
you know me, but my friend Andree told me about it so here I am.
So, dead-cell, what is the story of Landover Baptist Church. I looked for
something that would explain if it is a fake or not but all I found was the
history they had posted. I didn't have enough time to check it out. I would
automatically think it was a joke if it were not for all of the psycho
fundamentalist christians I know personally. Living in Oklahoma you have
the unfortunate opportunity of running into a lot of people who have
completely lost it when it comes to common sense mixing with spirituality.
In other words they have no common sense to speak of.
Anyway I wasn't meaning to go on a rant I was just wondering if this site
is for real or if it is a sploof. ____________________
Waking up to a sleepless world, only now do I truly understand the
depths
of my abstract dream. In a reality that never sleeps who's to say that
the
dilusions are not reality themselves?
—Me
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