Okay, I think I have a ghost or poltergeist or something. I have lived in
this apartment 7 months.
When I first moved in here , I got weird vibes from the bathroom area. I
dismissed them immediately because I just figured that I wasn't used to the
environment yet.
Then, after a month or two, I started having these dreams. I've had
premonition like dreams that tell me future events and such, so this makes
this so much worse in my opinion. Well, it would happen like this:
I'd be dreaming normal dream nothing important. Then, out of nowhere I
wouldn't be dreaming anymore and my subconscious would get ahold of me and
say Sarah, Sarah get up! Get out of your room as fast as possible.
Something is coming, something is coming from the bathroom!
I'd try to get up but my eyes would just roll back in my head and I'd try
to get up but I couldnt like some massive weight was sitting on me. I'd
then succomb into another dream state where I thought I would escape. I
would then realize I wasn't awake and thus, the struggle would continue
until finally I would just wake up out of torment with my eyes in severe
pain.
As time progressed, the dreams got worse. I would start hearing something
running from the bathroom into the bedroom and stand over me breathing
heavily. It's even grabbed me and shook the bed.
I brought all this up to my boyfriend, and he actually told me that I'm not
the only one in the apartment who has had these problems. Everyone that
has slept in our bedroom which would consist of my boyfriend, his ex-wife,
his kid, and the one or two one night stands after their divorce, has had
similar dreams.
The other night my boyfriend started tossing and turning like he was trying
to get up and he started talking to me. He said, "Sarah, do you hear that?
The water, it's running over in the bathtub. Then he rolled over into a
deeper sleep. I looked into the bathroom and didn't see anything. I
didn't say anything about it because I thought he was conscious of what he
said, but later that night he brought it up to me that he had another
dream. He said he thought someone died in the bathtub via strangling or
drowning. I asked him why and he told me about the water in the bathtub
and he heard rapid water movements as if someone was kicking and then the
water running over the bathtub onto the floor. I then, told him what I
heard him say. He had no knowledge of it whatsoever.
I can no longer sleep when he isn't here for fear of things getting
progressively worse. It seems to attack stronger when I'm alone.
Can anyone give me any advice?
callei
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posted on 3/12/2004 at 10:03 AM
Move.
No seriously move the bed.
change the way the door on the bathroom and bedroom open
put a mirror on the wall between the two and one on the outside of the
bedroom and bathroom doors.
Move.
make a line of salt (and perhaps other things) and at the edge of the bed,
bathroom door, bedroom door and a zigzag in the hall between the two.
Put fresh flowers in the bathroom and change them every day
find out who died there and go to thier grave and make an offering
visualize a closed door between you and the "noise" when the dream
starts
hang around in the bathroom til late and try talking to the ghosty
move to somewhere less haunted by unhappy ghosties (after you are SURE the
boyfriends ex's are still alive, you can invite him along)
call a local occult shop and ask for thier prices for ghost assessment and
removal
call the national ghosty people and ask if they can come assess and
remove/contain the ghosty.
Move.
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Devin
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posted on 3/12/2004 at 12:47 PM
It sounds like you need to explain to it that it is dead.
Explain that it is your house now.
Explain that it's your body.
Explain that it is your dreams that are being invaded.
Maybe the ghosty just doesn't understand all of that.
After you explain it, you'll know whether or not it's aware of these
things. If it knows and doesn't care, try to make a deal with the critter.
"You can be spooky when I'm not here" kinda things.
If all of that fails, you can just tell it in no uncertain terms that you
want it out of your house and that it absolutely can not stay there any
longer. If you get to this point though, be ready to move, because if you
piss it off, things will get worse.
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MystryssRavynDarque
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posted on 3/12/2004 at 04:59 PM
Perhaps it would be good for you to explain to her how to tell it these
things. Explain how to communicate with it.
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SindelChaos
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posted on 3/12/2004 at 07:50 PM
I would move everything around, but sadly, we don't own it. It's a rented
apartment. I can't change the way things open. The bathroom door slides.
I could move the bed and try the rest of your suggestions. I just don't
want to piss it off even more than it is.
W0rmW00d
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posted on 4/12/2004 at 10:37 AM
Sounds like a waking sleep paralysis to me.
A surprisingly commonly reported complaint to which many hauntings, alien
abductions and such have been attributed. What is thought to happen is that
you become conscious but are still asleep, as it where, so a nightmare will
continue to plague you throughout. Due to the body's own self defence you
are paralysed, as when you are dreaming to prevent you acting out your
dreams and that is, I think, where the panic comes from.
Victims report a half-sleep state, the feeling of a presence, a weight on
their chests, panic and difficulty breathing. It is also often a location
based problem, moving house, room etc has been documented to work.
This is obviously a non supernatural assessment, and should be treated as
such. If you are going to follow this route of beleif then try stuff that
you would usually use to ensure a peaceful nights sleep, lavender oil,
maybe eucalyptus to clear airways, loadsa booze or weed. There is better
good sleep advice elsewhere on these forums but I couldn't remember
where.
This is not to say, of course, that any of the other methods told here
wouldn't work, even if it was just a peace of mind thing for you, they
could help since what I am describing here is a mental thing. If other
suggestions have not worked go to a doctor sleep therapist and describe the
problem, it is likely that they will have some suggestions.
Hope that was any help.
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Abbadon
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posted on 5/12/2004 at 02:06 PM
I would come up with a herbal solution for you, but i can't open my
grimoire at the moment. I'll try and come up with something by next week.
Sorry.
BB.
Abbadon
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SindelChaos
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posted on 8/12/2004 at 02:11 PM
Hmm, sounds logical ,W0rmw00d.
EyeCandyRayce
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posted on 8/12/2004 at 02:57 PM
May I suggest purchasing a smudge stick. Open up the windows and every
cabinet and closet. Go from room to room burning the smudge stick (sage
stick wrapped in string). As you leave the room, close the door and put
salt in the doorway. I suggest starting in the back of the place and
working your way towards the front door. Close everything as you go and put
salt in windows and doorways to keep it from fleeing back to a room that is
clearing out.
Moving the bed is a good suggestion. I also recommend making willow wreaths
if you can find a willow tree and hang them in the doorways to the room and
over the bed.
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EyeCandyRayce
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posted on 8/12/2004 at 02:58 PM
Oh. and if you do the smudge stick.. don't forget to turn off your smoke
deterctors because it produces a LOT of smoke.
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Monolycus
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posted on 8/12/2004 at 04:01 PM
I think I agree with W0rmW00d that what you described sounds like a
hypnogogic/hypnopompic experience. The "massive weight" you described
holding you down and the Sensed Malovent Presence (SMP) is a diagnostic
quality of these experiences. I think that I have mentioned before that
the Saxon word for this phenomenon was "Mara" (from whence we get the
modern "nightmare"). A haunting or poltergeist experience is generally
more physical (and often more violent) than feelings of dread experienced
when one is near-asleep. If this is what is going on, then regulating your
sleeping schedule should be enough to correct it. If you dread
going to sleep and the symptoms are brought on by exhaustion, then it
becomes something of a vicious cycle.
The only thing you described that does not seem to fit the pattern of
hypnogogic/hypnopompic experience is that your boyfriend, ex-wife, kids, et
cetera all had similar experiences. This suggests to me that there might
be a fault in the electrical wiring near the place where the bed is
located... electromagnetic fields are capable of causing vivid
hallucinations. I heard of one case in which an electric clock radio on a
bedstand magnified this effect and paranormal inestigators were able to
"exorcise the haunting" by moving the bed to the other side of the room.
If it is a wiring problem, I would suggest calling a qualified electrician
pronto; even if it were not for the risk of a house fire, prolonged
exposure to electromagnetic fields can lead to severe health problems.
I hope everything sorts itself out for you.
~M.
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Wormwood, I have had SERIOUS waking-dream paralysis issues since I was a
kid, and it happens when I'm in undue stress or agitation. I also sleep
walk, sleep talk, sleep fight, and sleep goof off. Usually that's the
solution, but any sort of "ritual" is mostly just to ease the mind and set
the mood for "i'm in control". The illogical brain demands pagentry to set
the brain to get what it wants, like following a paint by numbers book.
Follow the steps to achieve the desired results of the will. I do however
have a more that slight belief in spooks, because I've been able to tell
the difference between spooky combatants and "oh wait, i'm still asleep but
not really". When i am suffering an "attack" I make sure to look at the
clock, memorize whatever I can in my surroundings to date and time and
relevancy, and when it ends I veryify what I remembered.
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SindelChaos
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posted on 10/12/2004 at 02:52 PM
Well, even though it's a logical way of looking at it, there have been more
incidents.
My boyfriend woke up from a dream with scratches all over him.
Our alarm clock went off once and then blew up! There was a small fire
sparks were flying everywhere.
We got a new alarm clock and we would set it for the right time and
everything- double checked it and everything. We made sure we set it. The
next morning the alarm would be turned off.
We put two aluminum folding chairs up, one against the bedroom door the
other against the closet door (which leads to the sliding bathroom door and
then the bathroom. We thought surely, if anyone was coming in our room to
turn off the alarm when the door opened, the chair would crash and we would
wake up. We woke up the next morning and found the closet door open, the
chair on the floor, and the alarm turned off. The chair by the bedroom
door was untouched.
So, even though it could be a sleeping problem/whatever, I have doubts
about it.
EyeCandyRayce
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posted on 11/12/2004 at 01:41 AM
As I've said in my recent article about paranormal experiences. I'm pretty
fucking scepticle. Here are my thoughts on the paranormal...
Orbs: bullshit. These can be caused by digital lens flare (caused by the
flash reflecting off the lens because they are so close to each other),
dust and even rain drops (I did a recent experiment with rain drops in a
forest and got perfect orbs in every shot. Go figure!
Spirit Plasma: As in spirit ghost in images. I have reproduced this many
times by simply slowly blowing out smoke while taking a picture.
But your experiences, while there is a very likely chance of them being
caused by electro magnetic fields.. there is always the power of the
mind.
I suggested the sage for many reasons...
1. Because it has been proven tride and true for me MANY times.
2. Because two of the most amazing Native American Shamans I have ever met
and definately two of the most amazing people I have EVER met swore that
sage removes anything negative from your the environment that the sage is
burn in. This I have used many times to help people with similar odd
experiences as you.
3. Because doing something you can believe in that sinks into every single
pore of the air gives you mental strength. And mental strength drives away
anything.
4. I also suggest just being aggressive. I used to live in a REALLY old
house in Oklahoma and everyone in the house (including guests) watched many
things happen. The two main things being two children who would run down
the hall (seen by my mother who doesn't believe in ghosts and my step
fathers family when they stayed up late one night) and an old man who would
come in through the garage. The old man was the grandfather of the kids
seen. Everyone in the house just seemed to "know" this. We all also "knew"
that this old man was an abusive drunk who hated the childrens mother.
Before anyone else in the house had seen him I had an encounter with him
where he came in the garage door (as he always did for years past me) and
seemed angry I was there. I told him "NO!" and he disappeared.
The reason I tell you this is that while others who lived in the house and
even just visited the house had major bad experiences with this old man.
Once I told him NO! and meant it. I mean truly meant NO MORE.. YOU HAVE NO
FUTURE HERE WITH ME.. he never appeared to me again.
The power of US is stronger than anything in this world.
People can sit and give you all the explanations they want for your
"mental" or "electrical" condition. But the truth is that until you find
somehting you believe in.. it isn't going to work! Please try the sage and
try just going through your house being very firm in how you feel about it
being there verbally. They have ears, even if those ears are not visible.
Above all else, your energy will rise during such an aggresive emotional
state and will most likely make the spirits back off. In situations where
those spirits didn't back off from me. I simply gathered myself and came on
even stronger. In the end... I always win.
Just believe in yourself and the fact that your home should be YOURS!
[Edited on 12/11/04 by EyeCandyRayce]
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W0rmW00d
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posted on 11/12/2004 at 11:04 AM
Moving slightly away from the helping bit, just because im interested.
Bettie, how have you been able to be so aware of whether what you are
experiencing is dream or awake? I have often tried to impose a mental
picture of what a room is really like in half awake situations (though
nothing like a sleep paralysis thingy, just that half awake when you have
been drinking heavily the night before) and my dream reality always seems
to make perfect sense at the time. I have 'woken up' in rooms with pillars
in them and all sorts that have not just felt like, but actually been my
bedroom for the period of time that I was still half asleep, then actually
woken up and been very confused.
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And the third angel sounded, and a troll army did descend upon the world.
I keep a digital clock by my bed and watch it, I note where my husband is
and which sprawled out direction he's sleeping in, and before I was married
I would note which uncomfortable area of my bed my wiener dog is sleeping
in (which I still do and she still does. You wouldn't think an animal that
small could be such a HOG) and I lie there watching the clock until it
passes, then sit up and verify everything is as it was during the five
minutes I was "under". Full on sleep paralysis is FRIGHTENING, and they
are like mini-siezures where you have no control over your body whatsoever.
I used to wake up as a kid like that and be SO frightened and trying so
hard to yell for my mom, but all would come out of my barely moving mouth
was air.
Now the difference....when I'm "half asleep" I sleepwalk, talk, fight, goof
off, infinity. I don't remember MOST of it, but I usually remember talking
and trying to shut myself up before I say something REALLY stupid, or being
in the process of something I should know better than to be doing and
thinking "oooo stop I gotta stop it", like when I woke up after hiking
michael's shirt over his head, balling up on him, and digging my nails into
his skin. I don't remember the time I tried boxing him when he tried to
put me to bed, I don't remember the OTHER times I talked, the time I balled
up against the wall making grouchy noises only to put my hands and feet on
the wall and litterally butt-bumped him straight off the bed. I also don't
remember HOW I used to get outside as a kid, only that I'd wake up in the
middle of our field or out at my dad's shop at 3am.
When I wake up (key being awake ie: alert) paralysed, I know what it is,
and I lie there till it passes. The few times I fought it did nothing.
Now spooks....I don't disagree that it's my own brain playing tricks, but
it's just too real to not at least harbor another belief, and I accept both
sides of it equally. Could be, maybe not, I'll know when I'm the one doing
the harassing to some other kid decades down the road after I'm dead. I'll
start with one of the worst things I've had happened to myself. I had gone
to bed, but not asleep, and my room was dark. As I laid down my head I
heard a faint sound like helecoptor blades that grew louder and one whole
side of my face and body siezed and became dead, and I flopped down half on
my back with my head turned (towards the clock on my nightstand). The
sound increased and the pins and needles and tension did with it, and all
of a sudden it just STOPPED, but I still couldn't move. After two minutes
of this (watched the clock) I felt preassure on the other side of my bed
where the dog was NOT, and then what felt like two small feet went RACING
up my bed (stomping, the little snotrag) on top of me, planted a "foot"
into the side of my face and bam. Gone. I laid there for another whole
minute and a half before being able to move. I naturally got up, checked
for cats, and when I laid back down I heard the noise starting up again, so
I wrenched myself up (the seizing had started again) and yelled "CUT IT
OUT!" and the sensation in the half of my body being affected STOPPED and
the noise cut.
Now, that could have been quite likely my overactive imagination, it could
have been a mild epileptic episode (I dont' have epilepsy, I think), it
could have been a bad dinner, or sleep paralysis, but that and the other
times something like that have happened it's been VERY different than
waking up and thinking "ah shit, here we go again, can't move". Or it
could have been SPOOKS! But all of that is merely conjecture, and stick by
my stance that I'll find out when I am deceased.
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SindelChaos
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posted on 14/12/2004 at 08:56 PM
I moved the bedroom around and stuff. Things seem to be going better...