BlueLinn
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posted on 8/3/2004 at 07:12 AM |
Part of the new law designating marrige to be between a man and a woman
passed the other day, through one of the barriers to make it a
constitutional amendment... Please all begin screaming in rage now.... ____________________ When the world is over, will we wonder how it began? |
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bettie_x
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posted on 20/7/2004 at 11:25 PM |
Oh god that is totally the bullshit the dried up old bastards in congress
would say when you got them in a corner, goddamned you for pointing that
out.
Personal choice is where it IS at. If you don't wanna have sex with a guy,
don't have sex with a guy. If you don't want to marry a woman, don't marry
a woman. They say it will dissolve the foundation of the american family.
Fuck their american family, I say.
I was watching the daily show today and a senator was going on about how if
homosexuals were allowed to marry, it would lead to children being born out
of wedlock (?!WTF?!) to which john stewart replied..."Is sodomy THAT
POWERFUL?! That the combination of penis and ass creates some wonder twin
connection activation that results in reversing the laws of nature
and....and..." ?!
These people are grasping at straws to try to make their point, and you
know what? They can fuck THEMSELVES, and I'll laugh when they make
assholes of themselves on television, and I'll laugh when gay marriage
eventually goes through as 100% LEGAL.
And I swear to god today i was boxed in by fucking conservatives in
minivans at a stop light. The van to the right had a bumper sticker that
said "abortion: n: govt sanctioned murder" and the one in FRONT had a
sticker that said "marriage = girl sign+boy sign". I was in a bad mood, so
I honked my horn, flipped them both off, and then went to a different
grocery store. I AM SICK OF THOSE FUCKING BUMPER STICKERS. ____________________ Trapped in time. Surrounded by evil. Low on gas. |
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feralucce
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posted on 20/7/2004 at 10:24 PM |
bettie I agree... though...*grrins* pursuit is all that is allowed for...
BEING happy is unconstitutional...
I don't think that this issue should be a mandate f the masses, but instead
a personal choice... ____________________ The earth turns on a tilted axis - just doing the best it can.
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bettie_x
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 1570 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 20/7/2004 at 10:14 PM |
Feral: Then take it away from everyone. I'm not talking constitution, I'm
talking rights to ways of life that well, go without saying. If there are
benifits to being "legally" married, and marriage is allowed, then allow
everyone or allow nobody. You could interpret "all men created equal" and
"persuit of happiness" as rights, and not allowing a certain group of
people to be married is NOT consitutionally following "all created equal"
and not allowing a group of people to be married is NOT constitutionally
follwing "persuit of happiness". I'm speaking not constituional rights,
but general "goes without saying" rights that everyone else has. HOWEVER,
if they plan to go forward with the bill that makes gay marriage illegal,
then it COULD become a constitutional fight to make marriage to ANY gender
a right, and then it would be constitutional. However, I think that even
HAVING to have that in the constitution is retarded. I know I keep
circling back to how RETARDED the whole issue is, but well, IT IS. ____________________ Trapped in time. Surrounded by evil. Low on gas. |
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Andree
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posted on 20/7/2004 at 08:13 PM |
I know, bettie--I was agreeing with you. ____________________ < / hate > |
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feralucce
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 1810 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 20/7/2004 at 07:02 PM |
Let's take a good look at what the constitution actually says are
rights...
after actually reading it... the only thing constitutionally that I can
find about anything even remote is freedom of religion...
If one has a certain sexuality they KNOW for a fact that they are
right...
Religion: A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or
conscientious devotion.
but NO ONE has the constitutional RIGHT to ever be married... ____________________ The earth turns on a tilted axis - just doing the best it can.
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bettie_x
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posted on 20/7/2004 at 07:00 PM |
Uh, yes, yes I do, but to list them all would take forever so I merely
mentioned the few that are most prevalent in the argument. Why i said it
shouldn't even be a debate is because the mere idea of telling two people
of "legal" age and reasonable mind that they cannot legally bind themselves
in which way seems fit is SO absurd I don't know why it's even an issue. ____________________ Trapped in time. Surrounded by evil. Low on gas. |
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Andree
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posted on 20/7/2004 at 05:52 PM |
quote: It shouldn't even BE a
debate. A denial of rights, an injustice to one is an injustice to all.
Did you know that there are 1,049 benefits that are denied to homosexual
couples becaues they cannot marry? ____________________ < / hate > |
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bettie_x
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 1570 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 20/7/2004 at 12:49 PM |
Britva, just to let you know, "polls" mean absolutely nothing, ESPECIALLY
if they come from the press. All they do is spit numbers and percents out
at you, they don't tell you WHO was polled, how many people, in what area
of the nation (yes, it matters), and other important facts that make up the
stats and keep them "clean". I'm sure if they polled 500 homosexuals on
whether or not they should be allowed to marry, they would get at least 95%
approval. But lets say the go to the "bible belt" and ask middle aged
married heterosexuals you would probably get about 80% disapproval. The
numbers being 45% yes 55% no is fishy, makes it seem like "ooo it's so
close but that's the way the ball bounces folks" with NO information of
demographics polled. Plus you have to take into account the viewership or
readership of AP or whatever "news" organization, do they have a mostly
liberal or fundamentalist patronage? Fox news network is owned by
republicans and has a mostly republican viewership, and their polls they
take (mostly by having viewers call in to vote) usually lean toward
conservative results on issues. Same with more "liberal" networks. I
don't trust polls, especially on tv. I trust ones that give me stats along
with the percents. And even then, they're probably still lying to you.
I personally dont' see what the big deal is. What, they're going to screw
up privatised healthcare by being able to claim their spouse as a
dependent? You mean, just like heterosexuals? What, they're going to
wreak havoc on social security by claiming their spouse as a dependent?
Just like heteros? They're going to take advantage of marriage tax breaks
and family tax breaks? Just like heteros? Wow, all those things seem like
RIGHTS and benifits of the american citizens.....so aren't they citizens
too? I honestly don't think that it's anyone else's goddamned say what
someone else does with their life. It shouldn't even BE a debate. A
denial of rights, an injustice to one is an injustice to all, but
apparently that doesn't come into effect until it happens to YOU. ____________________ Trapped in time. Surrounded by evil. Low on gas. |
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Devin
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posted on 20/7/2004 at 08:48 AM |
Does oklahoma recognize other state's tattoos ? ____________________ So Sayeth Me |
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Andree
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posted on 20/7/2004 at 08:16 AM |
The tattoo shops in OKC are usually underground-type shops. Come cops just
look the other way. When I was in Norman last week, I asked a tattoo
artist all about it while a friend was getting some ink done. This guy
works underground, which means he has no taxable income, and I'm sure the
IRS finds that very suspicious . . . ____________________ < / hate > |
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feralucce
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 1810 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 20/7/2004 at 04:03 AM |
that is funny... cause oklahoma city has a couple tatoo shops... ____________________ The earth turns on a tilted axis - just doing the best it can.
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Andree
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posted on 20/7/2004 at 12:30 AM |
I was just arguing with Luke, my Oklahoman cousin, about gay marriage. I
presented my usual argument, which is:
Religious reasoning cannot enter the argument. If you believe
homosexuality is wrong, fine. Don't marry another guy. But you have no
right to let your religious beliefs interfer with the lives of those who
don't believe the same as you do. Banning gay marriage would be banning
extramarital sex--morality applies to the individual.
Many people will argue that homosexuality is a sin, and should therefore be
banned. I'm not arguing whether it is or not; all I'm saying is that the
government cannot make it illegal on a moral basis. People will say, "yes,
but like it or not, America is a religious government." But like Britva
said, America is NOT a religious government. Many of our laws parallel
Biblical laws, but not because they're Biblical laws; it's because
they're just good laws. They're practical; they're utilitarian--the reason
we don't kill is because it takes away another person's right to live.
Practical. Most laws exist to prevent harm to others. But we can also
make laws to prevent personal harm; e.g., the seatbelt law. The seatbelt
law is fairly black-and-white: dying is harmful, and crashing into a
guardrail without a seatbelt will probably kill you. But whether or not
homosexuality is harmful . . . that's speculative. The Bible says that any
sin a man commits is outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins
against his own body. Try telling that to someone who does not believe in
the Christian Bible. Religious arguments cannot be used in governmental
debates; only arguments based on practicality.
I have yet to hear a good argument against homosexual marriage that is not
religious. There is a weak argument that has to do with Darwinistic
principles (procreation is difficult between two men or two women.) But
the last time I checked, America did not have a problem with
procreation.
Anyway, this argument with my cousin Luke took a different turn. He said,
"Fine, but I wouldn't want a homosexual couple adopting my child." Later
in the day a similar conversation was going on, and I learned something
that I find disturbing. The state of Oklahoma does not recognize other
states' gay adoptions. Essentially, if a gay couple legally adopts a child
in Washington or California or anywhere, then moves to Oklahoma, the
adoption is negated. This means that parents may be denied access to their
legally-adopted children.
'Course, this is Oklahoma, where it's illegal to get tattoos . . .
[Edited on 7/20/2004 by Andree] ____________________ < / hate > |
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callei
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 759 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 19/7/2004 at 07:14 AM |
feral dont pretend a teenager has any grasp of history, reality, or even
thier own genitals. let them go on hating "America" for whatever petty
little make believe reason they want. and certainly dont try to explain
that America was founded by the intolerant. it will just make my eyes bleed
to have to read all that again. ____________________ Real goths wear silver and crosses to keep the werewolves and vampires
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feralucce
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 1810 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 19/7/2004 at 05:49 AM |
thank you for your dazzling social commentary... seems odd that our contry
has never really claimed to be tollerant... just that we were a
democracy... if you pay attention to the last 20 years of foreing policy,
you would see that the government is far from tolerant... ____________________ The earth turns on a tilted axis - just doing the best it can.
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Bane
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posted on 19/7/2004 at 03:43 AM |
There is a law in America that prevents gay marriages?
Seems a bit odd.... forbidding gay marriages in the land that deemed itself
the inventor of tolerance itself.... strange...
even round here it is now legal....
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Britva
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posted on 30/3/2004 at 05:42 PM |
I'm not sure what you mean exactly when you say that the moral code which
rules American society is a primarily biblical one. If you mean that most
of the people in the U.S. are Christian and (at least nominally) support
Christain values, then I would have to agree. These people also tend to
support laws which reinforce their values (surprise surprise). Of course,
according to the last UN survey, over 130 of the member nations (including
the UK) were predominantly Christian, so this hardly makes the US unique.
But our legal system certainly isn't based on the Bible. If it was, we
would be doing as the Bible recommends and putting people to death for
working on the sabbath, eating shellfish, wearing garments of two different
kinds of thread, and trimming the hair around their temples. In addition, I
would have probably sold my sister into slavery by now to pay off my
student loans, which the Bible is also ok with. Women would not be able to
teach male children, speak in church, and, thanks to my favorite bible
quote of all time, "If two Israelite men are fighting and the wife of one
tries to rescue her husband by grabbing the testicles of the other man, her
hand must be cut off without pity." (Deuteronomy 25:11-12 NLT)
Also, our system of government certainly isn't based on the Bible. In fact,
our Constitution specifically mandates a separation between church and
state. If you could say our government was based on any one school of
thought, I would probably pin it on Enlightenment philosophy, but that's a
whole other story. For the most part, our laws and government have been a
pretty strong tool for the protection of religious minorities.
So in short, do we have a lot of religious conflict? Yes. Do we have to
deal with a lot of powerful Christian assholes trying to force their views
on everyone? Yes. Is the Bible the foundation for society and culture in
the United States? Not hardly.
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feralucce
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 1810 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 30/3/2004 at 04:58 PM |
1) I was making a reference to the past, not the present...
2) the government is not representative of its people at this point. Those
that make the laws are from an earlier generation... the AVERAGE american
is no longer christian... Until you have actually experienced a people, you
have no room to talk...
3) again I say... Until you can bring a well researched statement or
argument to the table... chill...
Feral ____________________ The earth turns on a tilted axis - just doing the best it can.
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Merry_Widow
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posted on 30/3/2004 at 04:03 PM |
I wonder what a lady grinch would look like? ____________________ Okay, dazzle me. |
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Schizo
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posted on 30/3/2004 at 03:25 PM |
Grench? Is that the plural of grinch? Or maybe a grinch wench. ____________________ "You can tell by the scars on my arms and the cracks in my hips and the
dents in my car and the blisters on my lips that I'm not the carefullest of
girls." - Dresden Dolls, "Girl Anachronism" |
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