Anya
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posted on 15/2/2004 at 10:21 AM |
I meant that it'd be childish on my part to threaten an ass-kicking.
Protestors are allowed to protest, as long as they're not disrupting normal
activity...I never denied that, nor did I intend to sound like I was. It's
the ones that break the law over it that I have a problem with. The same
can go for anti-abortion activists harassing civilians.
For your information: my Government class does go over the Constitution,
and according to the class, I am practicing free speech. It doesn't mean
that anyone has to agree with me, which I do not expect, but I am still
entitled to an opinion.
[Edited on 2/15/2004 by Anya]
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Anonymous
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posted on 15/2/2004 at 11:03 AM |
"Congress shall make no law...abridging the freedom of speech, or of the
press, or of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the
Government for a redress of grievances"
We are not the gov't. and you arent asking for redress for wrongs done to
you, so what you are saying isnt covered under that part.
We arent the gov't making a law that says you cant twaddle on with party
lines, that frankly dont accept you, your status, or your hopes and
abilities.
You are not a "people, you are a person. and we still arent making laws
about you gathering in a public place (what the laws says).
we are, to some extend, the press and your continued banging on about a
party line that would have us all deported or shot, is actually hampering
OUR freedom of speach.
In fact you are under 18 (no or limited right to speak at all) and you are
female (recent and soon to be overturned rights to speak at all) so i dont
know what you are thinking.
We arent the govt, you arent a group that has been wronged, you arent old
enough in the eyes of the law or constitution and you are hampering free
speach of the press.
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Anya
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posted on 15/2/2004 at 11:17 AM |
The unconstitutional comment was just a smart-assery, since it seems like
other people are making smart-asseries now. As far as this site not being
the government and me not being 18 yet, you got me there...so I gaffed
again.
Either way, I still keep on my political stance. Whether I failed to
clarify other points in the past, I admit the miscommunications and
apologise...and I still stand on my spot.
[Edited on 2/15/2004 by Anya]
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feralucce
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posted on 15/2/2004 at 05:08 PM |
but free speech does not mean you won't get an ass beating for your opnion,
only that the law cannot prevent you from saying it...
Also...
1)The press, at the time of the penning of the constitution was run by
local governments, not the federal... therefore the freedom of the press
was to prevent the government from interfering in a communities right to be
heard...
2) freedom of speech governs the spoken word...
3) The laws are still in flux about the digital medium, and this, at this
point has not been classified as speech or press... *grins*
Anonymous: Acutally, since she is not legally an adult yet, the law states
that she has the freedom to do and say what she wants, but legally has no
rights as a citizen... Also... please see point 3... THIS is not press...
and will NEVER be considered such, or I could a)get press passes to
events... and b)cencorship of any kind would be verbotten... I.E. people
like Shmooth could not be twitted or banned from the cite...
Feral
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feralucce
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posted on 15/2/2004 at 05:14 PM |
Traditionally... war is good for the economy... everytime we are in
conflict the economy booms... HOW THE FUCK DID BUSH FUCK THAT UP???
Feral ____________________
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Rogue
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posted on 15/2/2004 at 07:17 PM |
Bush is trained in the art of fuckuppery. His dad built Bin Ladin, and now
he has found a way to turn the image of this man into the end point of an
endless war. Osama is probably dead already or hiding, and it is largely
irrelevant which. Most of Bin Ladin's efforts were focussed in directly or
indirectly deposing the Saudi Royal Family, but he makes a handy scapegoat.
You see, during the Red Scare, Senator McCarthy and some other individuals
discovered a very important bit of information. They discovered that it
wasn't the threat of a Red invasion, or the Reds themselves, that were the
important thing. It was entirely the Scare. Perhaps one or more of them
read Orwell at one point and lit a lightbulb in his skull over it, like
"Hey, we don't actually NEED Reds to pose an actual threat, we can handle
all this through the information network." They demonised various nations
at different times, funding Afghan rebels (enter Bin Ladin) against Russia,
funding Iraq against Iran and back again, and just generally playing chess
with the lives of the people of the world. Only it's not chess or anything
that dignified, it's more like three card monty or another profit-centric
and largely rigged game.
Bin Ladin is irrelevant, the image of Bin Ladin will live forever. It has
to, since we caught the other demon figure, Hussein.
Feral, this is all bad for the economy because nobody believes in it, not
really. Many are convinced, but the danger is just not there. Not like
when Hitler was actually gaining land and was unstoppable. Besides, that
war had a goal. Stop Germany and Italy and Japan and it is won. This
cannot be won, they will never find the last guy and say that the so-called
War on Terror is over. Hell, we still haven't won the fucking War on
Poverty that was started forty years or so ago. Or the one on drugs that
was started in the eighties. Continuous war with no progress is draining
on the economy, and they don't generate the massive need for equipment and
supplies that wars used to do.
But wait, is war good for the economy ever? All that buying of supplies
that stimulates the economy short-term generates equally massive public
debt. It's not like the government cashes in its jar of pennies when war
breaks out, it takes it from the future generations of citizens. That's
what we are seeing now. We are the ones who were robbed when the
government fought in Korea and Vietnam and Granada and generally meddled in
the affairs of countless other nations. The economic slump of late has
nothing to do with anything current, other than the tech-boom greed that
amplified the rise and fall of the stock market. (It is technically not a
crash, just a correction to normal historic prices after a greed-driven
run-up.)
As for war solving anything... That is hard to say. I tend to think that
war is something that cannot always be avoided, but it something to have on
the back shelf WHEN ALL ELSE FAILS. Too many people want to fling missiles
at the first sight of trouble, and in my opinion we tried almost no
diplomatic means to solve the supposed Saddam problem. The fact that
nothing has been found to date just vindicates Russia, Germany, and France
in voicing their Democratic and diplomatic concerns and voting against a UN
action. Unprovoked military actions should only ever be initiated by the
UN or another global body, requiring a vote of many nations and not just
one belligerent drunk from Texas who was born with a whole goddamned silver
placesetting up his ass.
I can't summarise my position as anti-war or pro-war. I'm
anti-whatever-you-call-what-we-are-doing-in-Iraq, but I agree with Anya in
that we need to be responsible and restore some sort of elected power
before leaving on the first train. We took apart the government and
security structure, and it would be evil to leave a power vacuum to be
filled by gangsters or whomever. We should have never gone in in the first
place, but handled the whole thing through the UN, but now we have a
responsibility to give them back their lives. If that means an anti-US
Shi'a majority elected by the people, that is what we have to do.
I think any time anyone goes to war, all of humanity suffers. I guess the
trick is to figure out when that suffering is less than the suffering
caused by the protagonist of the particular war. As Callei pointed out,
there is currently genocide being carried out in the world in nations that
have no oil. It would be a better use of military resources (by UN action,
of course) to put a stop to this and restore order, but far less profitable
to people like Halliburton.
Thus is exposed the fetid underbelly of the global hegemony beast. It
feeds on blood and money and defecates catch phrases and intangible threats
which are eagerly consumed by the very people whose blood fuels its hunger.
I don't know what else to call it but planet rape, and it will continue
until 1) powers-that-be gain enlightenment and put things right, 2) the
people rise up and burn down the world and start a new cycle, or 3) some
larger authority comes into place and is made up of people genuinely
concerned with the fate of every last soul.
Or Klaatu. Klaatu would rock right about now.
Anyway, that's my two unwanted cents.
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Anya
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posted on 15/2/2004 at 07:41 PM |
For the record, I didn't say that no one could nail me for my
opinion...just that I spoke it and felt that people are just as
close-minded if they picked a side and call me close-minded for being on
the other side of the fence. In turn, everyone can think what they
want...I merely defend my story.
[Edited on 2/16/2004 by Anya]
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feralucce
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 1810 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 16/2/2004 at 01:03 PM |
| For the record... I disagree... but only on a semantic point... war is
inevitable... but never necessary... ____________________
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feralucce
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posted on 18/2/2004 at 12:12 AM |
ok... someone told me that they were considering voting for someone, but
that senator Kerry seeme to be the only way to get DUH-Bya outta of the
office... I find that this is a sad state of affairss... that we need to
vote for someone we dont like simply to get one evil out of the whtie
house..
I did some research on Kerry... and honestly, all I can find on this twat
is this:
"SENATOR JOHN FORBES KERRY REFUSED TO PROVIDE ANY
RESPONSES TO CITIZENS ON ISSUES THROUGH THE
NATIONAL POLITICAL AWARENESS TEST
SENATOR JOHN FORBES KERRY REFUSED TO PROVIDE THIS INFORMATION WHEN ASKED TO
DO SO ON 23 SEPARATE OCCASIONS BY:
MSNBC
CBS News
Cox Newspapers
Knight Ridder
National Journal
MTV
New Hampshire Public Broadcasting
Tucson Citizen
St. Paul Pioneer Press
Portsmouth Herald
Nashua Telegraph
Iowa Public Radio
Ames Daily Tribune
Cedar Rapids Gazette
Iowa City Press
The State (SC)
WYY Philadelphia
San Jose Mercury News
Geraldine Ferraro, Former Democratic Congresswoman
Michael Dukakis, Fomer Democratic Congressman
Bill Frenzel, Former Republican Congressman
Jim Leach, Republican Congressman
Richard Kimball, Project Vote Smart President"
This..., honestly... disturbs me... I have one real BIG reason for
this..
"PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH REFUSED TO PROVIDE ANY
RESPONSES TO CITIZENS ON ISSUES THROUGH THE
NATIONAL POLITICAL AWARENESS TEST
PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH REFUSED TO PROVIDE THIS INFORMATION WHEN ASKED TO
DO SO ON 23 SEPARATE OCCASIONS BY:
MSNBC
CBS News
Cox Newspapers
Knight Ridder
National Journal
MTV
New Hampshire Public Broadcasting
Tucson Citizen
St. Paul Pioneer Press
Portsmouth Herald
Nashua Telegraph
Iowa Public Radio
Ames Daily Tribune
Cedar Rapids Gazette
Iowa City Press
The State (SC)
WYY Philadelphia
San Jose Mercury News
Geraldine Ferraro, Former Democratic Congresswoman
Michael Dukakis, Fomer Democratic Congressman
Bill Frenzel, Former Republican Congressman
Jim Leach, Republican Congressman
Richard Kimball, Project Vote Smart President
sounds a bit familiar, doesn't it? ____________________
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Ironboots
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posted on 18/2/2004 at 09:49 AM |
Heh... which do I elect, a snake or a serpent?
I don't think there's anything we can do, short of revolution. If we elect
another party, eventually they'll get snakes in the ranks, too. But maybe
if we get just one good guy into office, he'll straighten out the whole
damn media-political-corporate system. But how is he going to get elected
if he's against the corporate-media-political system?
Damn. 
As for Osama, he's probably sleeping in the lincoln bedroom right now.
By the way, you guys can really fill up a forum in a three day weekend! ____________________
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Anya
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posted on 19/2/2004 at 08:08 AM |
Despite my want to see his head on a platter, I am afraid that I am in
agreement with you Ironboots. I personally do think that if W is the type
to do anything to get re-elected, he'll throw Binny out there somewhere in
October. That's from the conspirator side, though. Who knows. It wont
affect my vote.
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feralucce
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posted on 19/2/2004 at 09:08 AM |
| anya: you proposed Kerry.... where's the data neede to assure he WON"T be
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BlueLinn
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posted on 1/3/2004 at 07:51 AM |
| :nods: Le sigh... (been away for about 2 weeks,,, can't believe I missed
all this) But anyway... :snicker: Nader is running again... goooo green
party... Although I do believe he is going indipendant this run around. not
sure though. ____________________
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feralucce
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posted on 1/3/2004 at 08:51 AM |
| the only way to ensure that bush is out is a unified vote and nader is
going to destroy that... 4 more years of bush... yay ____________________
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Ironboots
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posted on 1/3/2004 at 09:43 AM |
Well, you said yourself that Kerry just might be as bad as Bush...
So I'm with you, Blue Linn. Vote for Nader and let the democrats feel the
pain! If they're just going to be the pseudo-liberal arm of the republican
party, we can do without them!
!Muerte al democrats! Vivamos las verdes! ____________________
Piggy's got the Conch!
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feralucce
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posted on 1/3/2004 at 11:38 AM |
Ironboots: the statement was ironic and bitter... I am whole heartedly
against Kerry...
http://www.usvetdsp.com/story10.htm
http://www.usvetdsp.com/vvajk_pr_05_04.htm
http://www.drudgereport.com/flash7.htm
http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/17337.htm<
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that pretty much sums him up...
Feral
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Ironboots
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posted on 1/3/2004 at 01:09 PM |
I know it was ironic and bitter. But you hate Kerry, you hate Bush, so
let's all vote for Nader. That's what I was saying...
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Anya
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posted on 1/3/2004 at 04:27 PM |
I admit that I was looking into Kerry, but now it seems that I do not like
him either. I almost feel like going for the lesser of the two evils,
though. Honestly, I do not know who I am going to vote for now. I guess
I'll keep an eye on the debates...
Some conspirators suggested to me that Kerry would be another Bush
(controlled by a "Shadow Government")...so who knows. I take it with a
grain of salt, but either way, I'm going to just watch and see what happens
before casting my vote. The person I was voting for was obviously not good
enough for the Democratic party. 
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feralucce
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posted on 1/3/2004 at 10:41 PM |
| Boots: which is what I was sayin... I see your point and I am going to vote
as an Idealist this election ____________________
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feralucce
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posted on 3/3/2004 at 12:08 AM |
thing is... nader dropped last time... and dean... has nothing... he's a
blank... no goo or bad... UGH!!!
fuck it... cthulu for president in 2004, fuck settling for the lesser of
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