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AloneSoul
Fanatic   Posts: 522 Registered: 6/7/2002 Status: Offline
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posted on 21/10/2003 at 03:31 PM |
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=1&u=/
ap/20031021/ap_on_go_co/congress_abortion_13
"WASHINGTON - The Senate on Tuesday voted to ban the practice that critics
call partial birth abortion, sending President Bush (news - web sites) a
measure that supporters and foes alike said could alter the future of U.S.
abortion rights. A court challenge is certain."
Thoughts? Comments? ____________________
 but at least you know, just how much pain there is in living
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pale-face
Fanatic  Posts: 478 Registered: 22/9/2004 Status: Offline
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posted on 16/11/2004 at 01:28 PM |
| Thanks redqueen. Glad to see some one at least someone sees where I'm
coming from. ____________________
fucking classy.
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RedQueen
Member   Posts: 98 Registered: 18/10/2004 Status: Offline
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posted on 16/11/2004 at 10:42 AM |
| Oh, come on, y'all. PF is trying to be sympathetic. Perhaps his approach
is a little clumsy at times, but it's not like he's in this forum
screaming, "Burn in Hell, you fucking baby-killers." As a woman, I respect
Feral (and the rest of you guys and gals) for saying that it is ultimately
a woman's body, so therefore a woman's choice. It is. It hurts my head to
try to think from a perspective that holds otherwise. PF isn't saying
anything to the contrary, he's just saying that it looks to him that sexual
education in this country is still at the "a stork brings the mommy and
daddy a special bundle in a stereotypical colored blanket" level. Perhaps
as a man who cares about women he is expressing his concern that some women
out there are not receiving the help they need, which is a certainty in
America today under an administration that thrives on regression and public
ignorance. ____________________
Today's liberals are tomorrow's conservatives. When my generation is the
conservatives, we'll be fine letting gays get married and creationism vs.
evolution in schools will be a laughable issue.
But by god we'll be sticking it to the damn cyborgs!
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pale-face
Fanatic Posts: 478 Registered: 22/9/2004 Status: Offline
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posted on 14/11/2004 at 06:22 PM |
| *nods head in understanding* ____________________
fucking classy.
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feralucce
Extreme Fanatic   Posts: 1810 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 14/11/2004 at 04:19 PM |
| But I can tell you it is none of your fucking business as you do not have a
uterus ____________________
The earth turns on a tilted axis - just doing the best it can.
Hohenheim of Light~Full Metal Alchemist
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pale-face
Fanatic Posts: 478 Registered: 22/9/2004 Status: Offline
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posted on 14/11/2004 at 12:58 PM |
so here we go. an argument has arose because someone thought I was an
egotistical pompous ass because I mentioned that abortions may be being
abused my some girls and women. I was not trying to be insensitive to those
people who have had or have thought of having abortions. that’s your
decision. but to those girls who do decide to have abortions more than once
(whom are few and far between) need to be informed of other ways to prevent
pregnancy. not because if the "immorality" of abortion, but because of
their health.
quote:
to be conscious while
someone scraped their insides and killed a life
at it's crudest simplest description, that is exactly what an abortion is,
and you cant tell me no matter what you say that that is not good for the
girl. the possibilities for infection or possible inability to carry
children. ____________________
fucking classy.
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feralucce
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 1810 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 14/11/2004 at 10:04 AM |
| Ashe: the whole tone was what I was referring to... the entire post was
handled in such a way that pushes buttons... that was my point... but if
you want a specific part...look at your intro to your story... it screams
"I've been there, so I know more than you..." the tone was haughty, and
combative... Won't earn you any points here... ____________________
The earth turns on a tilted axis - just doing the best it can.
Hohenheim of Light~Full Metal Alchemist
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Schizo
Extreme Fanatic  Posts: 897 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 14/11/2004 at 06:03 AM |
OK - here's my two cents. I've had unprotected sex and got pregnant and
did not get an abortion for MY OWN REASONS. And I've watched someone else
(well, not WATCHED, but you know what I mean) have unprotected sex and get
an abortion for reasons that sucked, and YOU KNOW WHAT??? I don't pretend
to therefore know what person A, B, or C should do with their reproductive
functions when I've never even met them! Just because I had a good
experience with carrying to term, and seen someone have a bad experience
with having an abortion DOES NOT MEAN THAT I KNOW ANYTHING about what you,
or your sister, or your friend, or the skanky prostitute on the corner
should do with their lives! Even if I felt VERY STRONGLY about my own
decision, it STILL does not mean that I can or should choose for ANYONE
else!
Because you know what, Feral spoke the truth when he said that a male
cannot speak for a female and vice-versa, but it goes further. One person
can never fully speak for another. Yes, if you know someone very, VERY
well you can have a pretty damn good idea, but when it comes right down to
it, the only person you can speak for is yourself. So anyone, ANYONE who
feels they have the right to dictate ONE WAY OR THE OTHER what is
the"right" or "healthy" thing is for someone they don't know to do, needs
to stick it up their self-righteous twat!
And this comes from someone who cannot ABIDE the thought of abortion, but
is STILL PRO-CHOICE. So there. ____________________
"You can tell by the scars on my arms and the cracks in my hips and the
dents in my car and the blisters on my lips that I'm not the carefullest of
girls." - Dresden Dolls, "Girl Anachronism"
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Domkitten
Fanatic  Posts: 470 Registered: 23/9/2002 Status: Offline
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posted on 13/11/2004 at 11:36 PM |
I am not as talented or nearly as versed at the multipost as callei, yet
here, I will try to weave all of ashes statements into one
non-contradictory flowing piece.
quote:
I know this is a really
old post and while most of you probably will not get around to reading
this, I thought it appropriate for balance and future perusers that I throw
out some facts contrary to a few of the arguments that have been previously
presented…I merely wish to provide information that I believe to be
important to a more balanced take on this issue.
I know more about this then you do, so now I will correct you, by
showing you my ability to use a google search. You will be impressed.
quote:
Some of the posts here
claimed that there wasn't irresponsible sex so much as there was uneducated
sex. I don't know where the rest of you came from, but in
California...that's OK. That's what happens in the teenage years, it's why
teens aren't considered adults yet; they do dumb things and that's the way
it is… However, when the target population of this sex ed doesn't care or
thinks themselves invincible, it makes the whole affair kind of a waste
don't you think? ...
I have had sex ed. Therefore everyone has had sex ed. I did not learn
anything, therefore no one learned anything. Sex ed is therefore a waste of
time, Q.E.D.
quote:
also been posted that
there was no such thing as a "partial birth abortion" medically speaking.
Maybe not as defined by the medical community, but it was defined in the
bill recently outlawing partial birth abortion…
Silly people, don’t you know the government can define anything?
quote:
It was also written that
most pregnancies are not carried to term and then result in a live birth.
While that is probably a valid argument in places where malnourishment is
rampant and becoming pregnant means having the life sucked out of you for
so many months before the fetus dies anyway, I don't see the point of
justifying an abortion by saying the fetus *might* die anyway.
Since no one is starving in America….
quote:
As far as sex ed classes
go, I never had the pleasure ( ) of attending a
sex ed class run by/attended by Planned Parenthood reps. Even if I had, I
doubt I would have remembered their diagrams anyway.
I don’t listen, ergo, no one listens.
quote:
Oh yeah, we didn't get
the condom on a bannana thing. I think they figured that if we were smart
enough to put on our own socks, then we were smart enough to put on a
condom. I always kinda wondered how stupid they must think we are to show
us how a condom works.
I have not learned how to use a condom, but how hard can it be?
Besides, everyone already knows how to do that.
quote:
I do not mean to say that
all government statistics are right or even close. In fact, I like to take
all statistical data I see with a grain of salt… However, without
statistics of some sort, it's difficult/damn near impossible to get any
sort of reference point by which one can say "this is what is going on in
the big picture...
I will however, continue to expect you to believe my statistics. Please
do not argue with them, as even though I don’t believe them, I strongly
believe them.
quote:
Teenagers don't care
enough in the heat of the moment to remember this crap! Maybe we should go
about it a different way!" Accursed public schooling. Maybe they could just
ditch the banana thing and have them practice putting on socks.
We should teach sex ed, but learning how to put on a condom is not that
important.
quote:
Apparently you didn't
notice that my post was also sarcastic. You might want to note how easy it
is to miss sarcasm in writing when you don't know the person it's coming
from.
I still don’t know anything about any of you, however, I will continue
to educate you because I can’t imagine how you have gotten along this long
without my knowledge and wisdom.
quote:
Now, for starters, I
don't ever remember taking one side or the other. I've only offered
evidence to counter what seemed to me to be invalid arguments.
You are wrong, but that does not mean that I am taking sides
quote:
If you go back and read
my first post to this thread, that is the first thing I say. This does not
mean that I am making a statement about what I think. Secondly, I never
said that I was morally superior. That would be an assanine claim to make
on this forum since no two members have the same moral reference point.
Also, to claim moral superiority, I would have to start by taking a side
and bashing the other. I have yet to claim moral superiority, I have yet to
pass judgement on anyone, I have yet See point number
one.
Saying your arguments is invalid is not taking sides. If you listened
more closely to me and my statistics you would see that. I don't have to
claim superiority, it goes without saying.
quote:
I used to have friends
that had one, and I know how much it can mess you up... I don't appear to
fall under a single category you put me under.
As you can see I continue to be right, and now you have to feel sorry
for me too, which makes me even more right.
quote:
I am frankly
disappointed that you would categorize me so quickly, especially after
putting me through the wringer for wrongly judging people. Try to be a
little more careful, won't you? I don't brand you an idiot every time I
don't like what you have to say.
Please, don’t think I think you are intelligent. I don’t know, you, I
haven’t bothered to take the time to get to know you before correcting you.
I do not plan to do so. I am right.
quote:
If I'm wrong, then by all
means prove me wrong. (That is not a challenge from the all-mighty me. If I
really am incorrect, I would like to know so that I can correct my
opinion.)
I am so right, and you are all so very wrong.
quote:
As far as I am aware, Dom
is the only one I have been condecending to and for that I apologize. I
supposed I shouldn't be bothered when people pass judgement on me before
getting the whole story (or any story as it were) or on my ideas without
seeming to have read the post that stated my intent.
I will continue to pass judgement on others before getting or
understand their full story. However, do not insult me by playing it the
same with me!
quote:
quote:
it may not have been your intent to sound
this way... but you sound like a child parroting mommy and daddy's
religious views in an attempt to sound important and well informed
So, if you would please point out were I came across this
way so I can clarify myself, I would appreciate it. That wasn't the way I
meant to come across. My opinion isn't any more important than anyone
else's and I was not at all informed before I started to wonder and went
hunting for information. Also, my views don't exactly square with my
parents'.
Prove me wrong people. You can say whatever you want. But I’m still
right. I can use google, so I’m more informed then you. I had to think
about an abortion, so I can be superior. I don’t know you so I can judge
you, but don’t judge me till you know me.
[Edited on 11/14/2004 by Domkitten] ____________________
It's like kegel exercises for your throat.~Monolycus
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ash_psyche
Coward   Posts: 10 Registered: 28/10/2004 Status: Offline
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posted on 13/11/2004 at 09:43 PM |
As far as I am aware, Dom is the only one I have been condecending to and
for that I apologize. I supposed I shouldn't be bothered when people pass
judgement on me before getting the whole story (or any story as it were) or
on my ideas without seeming to have read the post that stated my intent.
The personal story I presented was in response to Dom's accusation that I
thought I was above the situation. When people say something to this
effect, it generally has meant "If you had been faced with the same
situation, you would have done the same thing, so don't give me this 'I
would have done it differently' bullshit." Therefore, I included what I did
and how I felt as well as what I faced. quote:
I'm not going to condemn anyone that has an
abortion. I used to have friends that had one, and I know how much it can
mess you up. I know that being in the situation where you have to make that
choice makes you feel very ugly and hateful and hurtful and ashamed before
you even get to a clinician's table.
The point of that
part there was to express that the aim of this story was not to put anyone
down for having an abortion. It's a sucky place to be. It happens. That's
just the way it is.quote:
it may
not have been your intent to sound this way... but you sound like a child
parroting mommy and daddy's religious views in an attempt to sound
important and well informed
So, if you would please point
out were I came across this way so I can clarify myself, I would appreciate
it. That wasn't the way I meant to come across. My opinion isn't any more
important than anyone else's and I was not at all informed before I started
to wonder and went hunting for information. Also, my views don't exactly
square with my parents'.
____________________
All good things to know are difficult to learn
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feralucce
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 1810 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 13/11/2004 at 07:54 PM |
Ashe_Psyche:
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"Dom: Apparently you didn't notice that my post was also sarcastic. You
might want to note how easy it is to miss sarcasm in writing when you don't
know the person it's coming from"
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No offense... but your statement does not appear to be sarcastic... make
yourself understood... STATE THAT IT IS SARCASM... but don't be an assbag
when someone misses your brillint and scintillating sarcasm... by your
reaction to Domkitten, you KNOW that she missed it... therefore you could
ahve seen it coming... the responsibility falls upon YOU to make yourself
understood
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"Feral: Do you not consider this to be a moral/ethical issue? The way I see
it, if it is, then men can have a perfectly valid outsider's view, and that
can be an asset on a touchy topic like this one. If it is not a
moral/ethical issue, then this whole thread is pointless. At least, that is
how it strikes me. If I'm wrong, then by all means prove me wrong. (That is
not a challenge from the all-mighty me. If I really am incorrect, I would
like to know so that I can correct my opinion.)"
=============================
well... morals and ethics are completely sobjective... In some places it is
considered propper to eat the body of an enemy... while christianity is
completely against that kind of thing... secondly, since when has politics
been about what is ethical and moral? Thirdly... No... I do not consider
this an ethical or moral issue as I cannot (once again) EVEN BEGIN TO
FUCKING UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS LIKE TO HAVE A UTERUS, LET ALONE BE
PREGNANT... AS SUCH, I am unfit to judge right and wrong in this
situation... the only ethical consideration is this... How is it right for
me to tell anyone what to do in reference to modification of one's own
person?
On a different note... Step off the high horse and discuss... don't
condescend to me or domkitten, or anyone else for that matter... join the
conversation without the recto-crainial inversion, and you will find that
this pack will be less likely to rip you to shreds... just a word to the
wise... it may not have been your intent to sound this way... but you sound
like a child parroting mommy and daddy's religious views in an attempt to
sound important and well informed... if that is not you, you need to
re-assess your mode of communication to make yourself understand... and
before you berate me for my mode of communication... I AM an asshole and my
intent is to communicate in a blunt, abbrasive and overall condescending
manner, as that was the mode you chose...
Now... as for your story... you had a decision to make... it was YOUR life,
YOUR body, YOUR choice... I cannot even begin to grasp what that was
like... THEREFORE... IN YOUR life... it was the right thing to do... when
someone else chooses the abortion... IT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO...
period... there is no one true way... what is right for you is not right
for me, or callei, or domkitten or anyone else... ethics and morals are
societal constructs... and as society (in america at least) was proven on
the 2nd, it is a fucking retarded collection of individuals... so why
should what they feel (not know, but feel) is right matter at all to me?
The answer is simple... the only reason the "morals" of this country matter
to me is because I don't want to spend the rest of my life in prison...
plain and simple... My religion, a form of paganism, is considered "evil"
by mainstream christians... (the magority in the US)... does that make it
so? Think on that...
Have a nice day
[Edited on 11/14/2004 by feralucce] ____________________
The earth turns on a tilted axis - just doing the best it can.
Hohenheim of Light~Full Metal Alchemist
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ash_psyche
Coward Posts: 10 Registered: 28/10/2004 Status: Offline
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posted on 13/11/2004 at 07:33 PM |
Dom: Apparently you didn't notice that my post was also sarcastic. You
might want to note how easy it is to miss sarcasm in writing when you don't
know the person it's coming from. Now, for starters, I don't ever remember
taking one side or the other. I've only offered evidence to counter what
seemed to me to be invalid arguments. If you go back and read my first post
to this thread, that is the first thing I say. This does not mean that I am
making a statement about what I think. Secondly, I never said that I was
morally superior. That would be an assanine claim to make on this forum
since no two members have the same moral reference point. Also, to claim
moral superiority, I would have to start by taking a side and bashing the
other. I have yet to claim moral superiority, I have yet to pass judgement
on anyone, I have yet See point number one. For the record, I do know of
women who have had abortions and thought nothing more of it than they would
of a tooth-cleaning, or the removal of a wart. Dont' think for a second
that because you know women who deeply regretted their decision that there
aren't women who didn't feel a thing emotionally. As for quote:
stop judging people because you feel that
you of superior intelligence will never have to make that choice.
I never claimed to be of superior intelligence. It takes
superior understanding to avoid that sort of situation. As a matter of
fact, I did have to make a choice like that. When I was in high school I
was raped by my boyfriend of the time and for two months I thought I was
pregnant. During that hellish time in my life I had to decide whether or
not to have an abortion. My parents didn't know, my church didn't know, my
boyfriend wanted me to have one. It was quite the low-point. Add to that
the idea that if I had carried to term, my parents would have tried to
force me to put the baby up for adoption before essentially disowning me
and the church would have essentially excommunicated me, I had a pretty
fucking hard choice to make. I was pretty fucking alone. But I chose to
carry to term and adopt out the baby anyway. Yeah, abortion would have
undoubtedly been "the best option", but I would have rather died than live
with the reality of having killed my unborn child. Abortion was not the
only option so I didn't take it. I'm not going to condemn anyone that has
an abortion. I used to have friends that had one, and I know how much it
can mess you up. I know that being in the situation where you have to make
that choice makes you feel very ugly and hateful and hurtful and ashamed
before you even get to a clinician's table. So, I don't appear to fall
under a single category you put me under. I'm frankly disappointed that you
would categorize me so quickly, especially after putting me through the
wringer for wrongly judging people. Try to be a little more careful, won't
you? I don't brand you an idiot every time I don't like what you have to
say.
Feral: Do you not consider this to be a moral/ethical issue? The way I see
it, if it is, then men can have a perfectly valid outsider's view, and that
can be an asset on a touchy topic like this one. If it is not a
moral/ethical issue, then this whole thread is pointless. At least, that is
how it strikes me. If I'm wrong, then by all means prove me wrong. (That is
not a challenge from the all-mighty me. If I really am incorrect, I would
like to know so that I can correct my opinion.) ____________________
All good things to know are difficult to learn
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feralucce
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 1810 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 13/11/2004 at 05:12 PM |
Whoa... Time out...
Boys... YOU HAVE NO INPUT... PERIOD... IT IS NOT YOUR BODY, YOUR GENDER AND
FRANKLY YOUR PLACE... unless you had a sexual reassignment surgery from
female to male... then you cannot, no matter how fucking enlightened, claim
to understand the situation or the matter in anything other than a third
person limited view... so... your opinion is noted, and round filed... it
is meaningless...
girlls or girl... unless you had the surgery, male to female... I think the
same applies...
Since you cannot possibly hope to understand the emotional states of being
a different gender, then I think you should keep your ideas off my anatomy,
and vice versa...
FOR THE RECORD... it is impossible for a single male of under age 45 to get
a vasectomy as every clinic I have ever contacted wants "your partner" to
verify that they want that... I want to be responsibleas I would be a
fucking idiot of a father... no accidents... and they won't let me... the
government should make no law that impedes my or your right to modify
ourselves in any way that we see fit as long as it does not impede the
rights of another...
STDs... I feel 1) if you are fucking stupid enough to contract one you
should be offered no treatment unless it was through no fault of your
own... and 2) branded... on your fucking forehead... my best friend
recently passed as a result of someone NOT TELLING
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The earth turns on a tilted axis - just doing the best it can.
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Hohenheim of Light~Full Metal Alchemist
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callei
Extreme Fanatic  Posts: 759 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 13/11/2004 at 04:43 PM |
that was me. sorry.
And D, i am soooo with you. I think men get a say in abortion when we have
a say in premature ejactulation, wet dreams, and pee hard-ons. Lets
legislate when men can get hard and when they cant. ____________________
Real goths wear silver and crosses to keep the werewolves and vampires
away.
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Anonymous
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posted on 13/11/2004 at 04:39 PM |
Im pro choice too. I think boys and men should be allowed to vote. Do you
get the irony in that one?
Boys:
women dont need to be "allowed" to have abortions. We have em when we need
them, no matter what the boys and men think or allow. there are "natural"
methods of abortion, far more dangerous than the clean surgical ones. We,
women i mean, dont need to be "allowed" to do it.
I know women who have had more than one. Not because they were "lazy" about
condoms... after all the condom is the MAN"S birth control (and both
parties STD control) or because they were too stupid to take thier pill
(the one that fucks with thier bodies) everyday. Sometimes you still get
pregnant. I know one that got pregnant after his vasectomy (and yes it was
by him) while she was still on the pill. I know a few that have, over the
course of 20 YEARS of being sexually active and being sexually active, had
to have a second or third abortion. I know one woman that keeps getting
pregnant on her cervix. it isnt a live thing she has removed. And yes she
too is on the pill. and uses a condom most of the time.
Condoms break. Sometimes the pill doesnt quite work, sometimes the IUD
slips, Sometimes the implant clogs, sometimes nothing gets in the way,
biologically speaking, of the point of sex.
So what if someone has 5 abortions. that is 5 kids that arent being abused
or neglected. That is a woman that has made 5 tough decisions, like any
captain or general or squad leader in the Military. She is not to be pitied
or vilified or idolized. Each of us is here ONLY because our mothers
thought we might be worth the trouble and were bored with partying. Get
over it.
And to all you boys out there, you dont "allow" us to have periods,
ovulate, miscarry, or give birth. You dont allow us to have menopause or
puberty. Its not something you have any voice in, unless we let you have
one because we are fond of you and want to see you smile.
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Domkitten
Fanatic Posts: 470 Registered: 23/9/2002 Status: Offline
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posted on 13/11/2004 at 03:47 PM |
Pale and Ash: Your fucking idiots. You are both idiots and you insult me to
the core. Your ability to look clearly into the face of sarcasm and only
see support for your arguments are enough of a hint that you aren’t playing
with enough cards.
You sit here and take such a high and mightily look on all these women
having multiple abortions to undo a pregnancy. That is clear and direct
evidence of just how clueless you actually are.
How many women do you know who have had multiple abortions? I want to know.
I want to know how many of your close personal “stupid slut” friends who
forgot the condom where out getting abortions on Friday night then partying
like it was 1999 on Saturday?
Abortion hurts. It’s scary, it makes you feel very ugly, hateful, hurtful
an ashamed. I know a women who made the choice to have an abortion. She
made it because at that time in her life it was the best option. She swore
that not only would she never be in that situation again, but she would
also be a thousand times more careful.
I’ve known more then one woman who had to make that choice. And with all of
them, the answer was inevitably the same. They would never ever want to be
in that position again. If they turned out pregnant a second time, they
would just let nature take its course. It was a horrific experience, to be
conscious while someone scraped their insides and killed a life that was
brewing there. They didn’t regret the decision, but they were not falling
all over themselves to go out and get laid three days later. They certainly
weren’t looking at abortion as an acceptable means of birth control.
You need to get off your pedestal, your statistics. Stop hiding behind what
you think are obvious facts, stop judging people because you feel that you
of superior intelligence will never have to make that choice. You disgust
me with you, I’m pro-choice but…. statements. You don’t get it. Your trying
to conform somehow to a crowd while at the same time remaining morally
superior and it sickens me. You want to be morally superior, join the other
side, they’ll welcome you with open arms, and you can go to a clinic
somewhere and make a sixteen year old girl suicidal by telling her she is a
murderer, when all she is trying to do is live her life.
Your worthless, pathetic, stupid and ignorant positions make you laughable.
Your virgin high mindedness makes you pathetic. Your cattle, I despise
cattle. I despise you.
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It's like kegel exercises for your throat.~Monolycus
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pale-face
Fanatic Posts: 478 Registered: 22/9/2004 Status: Offline
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posted on 13/11/2004 at 12:20 PM |
| feral. i'm pro choice. i think women and girls should be allowed to have an
abortion. but when it becomes their only way to prevent pregnancy, i think
they should at least be informed of healthier ways to go about it. ____________________
fucking classy.
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Andree
Member  Posts: 112 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 12/11/2004 at 07:04 PM |
| OR, all males could simply report to my vasectomy clinic. Nurses on roller
skates, syringe in one hand, scissors in the other, Here's you lollipop.
After a short healing period, they'll be shooting blanks for the rest of
their lives and we don't even need to think about abortion. The inevitable
onslaught of STDs will weed out the irresponsible. It's a win-win
situation, I think. ____________________
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ash_psyche
Coward Posts: 10 Registered: 28/10/2004 Status: Offline
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posted on 12/11/2004 at 06:13 PM |
Feral: I do not mean to say that all government statistics are right or
even close. In fact, I like to take all statistical data I see with a grain
of salt since I've already seen how easy it is to go about it the wrong way
and get bunk results. However, without statistics of some sort, it's
difficult/damn near impossible to get any sort of reference point by which
one can say "this is what is going on in the big picture" rather than being
stuck with "this is my opinion; this is my personal experience." I felt it
was warranted because ideas about what was happening on the large scale
were being thrown around as fact. At least it is evidence of some sort. I
chose the CDC because I believe they have the most to lose by being
horribly wrong. Not to mention all the money they'd be flushing down the
toilet.
Pale-face: I am curious to know... if you are offended by women who get
abortions for birth control and have the "whoops! I forgot!!" attitude
about it, what do you think about the women who freely admit to not using
birth control because they simply don't care and then use abortion to
terminate unwanted pregnancy after unwanted pregnancy?
Dom: Damn straight!! Maybe they came up with sex ed to give some of the
uneducated populace an important sounding job without realizing that it
might actually be important. Maybe they really were thinking "Hey! The
reason the pregnancy rate is so high is because teenagers are stupid as
fuck and can't get their condoms on right! We need to show them how it's
done! I want forty thousand bananas on my desk by tomorrow morning!!"
rather than "Hey! Teenagers don't care enough in the heat of the moment to
remember this crap! Maybe we should go about it a different way!" Accursed
public schooling. Maybe they could just ditch the banana thing and have
them practice putting on socks. ____________________
All good things to know are difficult to learn
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feralucce
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 1810 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 12/11/2004 at 06:00 PM |
| no offense, man... it's not your body... therefore, why should you have a
problem with it? ____________________
The earth turns on a tilted axis - just doing the best it can.
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Hohenheim of Light~Full Metal Alchemist
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