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Seth
Occasional Poster Posts: 13 Registered: 2/2/2003 Status: Offline
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posted on 8/2/2003 at 01:41 PM |
I have just finished an argument on another forum about the current state
of affairs in the world. This discussion started out as a debate but
quickly turned into a heated argument. Sadly, it was akin to the quarrels
of the playground.
We were original discussing the US’s move towards war with Iraq. While
making very good points, my opposition seemed to take personal offence from
the suggestion of war. Also, I found that many were quick to give the
decision of war to one man, Bush. While residing in the US I rarely found
offence in slander towards any official of the government. However, since
I have moved overseas, it would seem that no member of the US is off
limits. With such constant reminders of how terrible my country is, I have
become substantially more patriotic. No, not patriotic, defensive. Let’s
be honest.
I believe that, with the state that the world is in, war is inevitable.
Lets be honest, unless there is some major change in international
relations, countries will continue to ‘rub each other the wrong way’ until
some country/countries have had enough and declare war. Although I hold
this belief, I am in no hurry to find myself on the battlefield nor for
others to find themselves in the same predicament. However, what one wants
and what is reality rarely coincide.
After reading through some of the posts here, rarely have I seen people
trying to impose thoughts on others. From this observation comes my hope
for a civil discussion of the world climate. |
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KatB
Fanatic Posts: 241 Registered: 16/7/2002 Status: Offline
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posted on 16/2/2003 at 03:06 PM |
I think I'll let Terry Jones speak for me here...
Message
By Terry Jones
[Monty Python and writer - often with Michael Palin- actor/director/TV
presenter-eg: The Crusades...]
Sunday January 26, 2003
The Observer
I'm really excited by George Bush's latest reason for bombing Iraq: he's
running out of patience. And so am I! For some time now I've been really
pissed off with Mr Johnson, who lives a couple of doors down the street.
Well, him and Mr Patel, who runs the health food shop. They both give me
queer looks, and I'm sure Mr Johnson is planning something nasty for me,
but so far I haven't been able to discover what. I've been round to his
place a few times to see what he's up to, but he's got everything well
hidden. That's how devious he is.
As for Mr Patel, don't ask me how I know, I just know - from very good
sources - that he is, in reality, a Mass Murderer. I have leafleted the
street telling them that if we don't act first, he'll pick us off one by
one.
Some of my neighbours say, if I've got proof, why don't I go to the
police? But that's simply ridiculous. The police will say that they need
evidence of a crime with which to charge my neighbours. They'll come up
with endless red tape and quibbling about the rights and wrongs of a
pre-emptive strike and all the while Mr Johnson will be finalising
his plans to do terrible things to me, while Mr Patel will be secretly
murdering people. Since I'm the only one in the street with a decent
range of automatic firearms, I reckon it's up to me to keep the peace.
But until recently that's been a little difficult. Now, however,
George W. Bush has made it clear that all I need to do is run out of
patience, and then I can wade in and do whatever I want!
And let's face it, Mr Bush's carefully thought-out policy towards Iraq
is the only way to bring about international peace and security. The one
certain way to stop Muslim fundamentalist suicide bombers targeting the
US or the UK is to bomb a few Muslim countries that have never
threatened us.
That's why I want to blow up Mr Johnson's garage and kill his wife and
children. Strike first! That'll teach him a lesson. Then he'll leave us
in peace and stop peering at me in that totally unacceptable way.
Mr Bush makes it clear that all he needs to know before bombing Iraq is
that Saddam is a really nasty man and that he has weapons of mass
destruction - even if no one can find them. I'm certain I've just as
much justification for killing Mr Johnson's wife and children as Mr Bush
has for bombing Iraq. Mr Bush's long-term aim is to make the world a
safer place by eliminating 'rogue states' and 'terrorism'. It's such a
clever long-term aim because how can you ever know when you've achieved
it? How will Mr Bush know when he's wiped out all terrorists? When every
single terrorist is dead? But then a terrorist is only a terrorist once
he's committed an act of terror. What about would-be terrorists? These
are the ones you really want to eliminate, since most of the known
terrorists, being suicide bombers, have already eliminated themselves.
Perhaps Mr Bush needs to wipe out everyone who could possibly be a
future terrorist? Maybe he can't be sure he's achieved his objective
until every Muslim fundamentalist is dead? But then some moderate
Muslims might convert to fundamentalism. Maybe the only really safe
thing to do would be for Mr Bush to eliminate all Muslims?
It's the same in my street. Mr Johnson and Mr Patel are just the tip of
the iceberg. There are dozens of other people in the street who I don't
like and who - quite frankly - look at me in odd ways. No one will be
really safe until I've wiped them all out. My wife says I might be going
too far but I tell her I'm simply using the same logic as the President
of the United States. That shuts her up.
Like Mr Bush, I've run out of patience, and if that's a good enough
reason for the President, it's good enough for me. I'm going to give the
whole street two weeks - no, 10 days - to come out in the open and hand
over all aliens and interplanetary hijackers, galactic outlaws and
interstellar terrorist masterminds, and if they don't hand them over
nicely and say 'Thank you', I'm going to bomb the entire street to
kingdom come.
It's just as sane as what George W. Bush is proposing - and, in contrast
to what he's intending, my policy will destroy only one street.
Guardian Unlimited (c) Guardian Newspapers Limited 2003
____________________ All stressed out and no one to choke...
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Meranda_Jade
Fanatic Posts: 511 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 16/2/2003 at 03:20 PM |
That's great stuff right there... it illustrates things beautifully... ____________________
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