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Author: Subject: Violence

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  posted on 7/7/2002 at 10:49 PM
Like some other people that post there ideas on this site they would like to know what other people think. I would like to do the same. Mine is "Why is there violence in the world?" Many scholars have pondered over this question for many centurys. (please dont correct my spelling if i mis spell something). The other think that i would like people to ponber is "what purpose does it have on socity?" Please share your thoughts.

 

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  posted on 8/7/2002 at 12:30 AM
Violence is neccesary. To put it as simply as possible.
Itīs a defined part of both Evolution and Creation. Fate, fortune and the laws of entropy say that everything fades away, all treasures slip from your fingers...who the fuck is fate to say thatīs what happens? Well...theres part of the answer, fighting for what you want, fighting for what you believe is right....
The down side of this, well...Violence is often the easiest answer to many of lifes problems. And some people excel at misusing it. Thugs, murderers and rapists fall into themselves and dwell on the Violence for impure purposes...and taint itīs reason for existance.
But all of that can go on and on forever...trust me, Iīve gotten into a crapload of debates about it.
The end result is this, Humanity, is a Violent species. Thats why there is Violence in the world.
It isnīt bad...it just is, and itīs purity can be defiled very easily.

 

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  posted on 8/7/2002 at 05:39 AM
Ashes to ashes, dust to dust, we now throw this oleī corpse in the earthīs crust.

 

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  posted on 8/7/2002 at 09:33 AM
it takes an entire society working together to create peace, it only takes one person to cause violence.

 

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  posted on 8/7/2002 at 11:03 AM
hmmm my answer would be either.. survival tactics... or just very immotionally unbalanced people.


 

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  posted on 8/7/2002 at 02:24 PM
well i think i already told you what i think..?
basically the source of all evil is currency. but sadly there is no escaping it.
if people could do without money or the likes of there would be no (musc less) theft there would be no social classes to define you and make you feel inferior.. there would be fewer people fighting about who is gunna pay for something (no more divource court either hehe) we wouldnt fight about how much we spend on someone and how big whatever gift is bla bla bla
we wouldnt feel the need to buy things to make ourselves look better than our "class" allows.
im gunna start ranting if i dont drop this now so ill add more later

 

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  posted on 8/7/2002 at 07:25 PM
I donīt know if money/currency whatever is the source of all evil, itīs just another excuse in some cases.
Personally, Iīm convinced that a true and lasting peace can only exist with the utter obliteration of existance....or maybe just us.
And that just wouldnīt be fun.
God loves John Wu movies...

 

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  posted on 8/7/2002 at 07:26 PM
Itīs the nature of the human beast, friend.
Sucks being just a monkey with table manners, huh?
I know I hate it....

 

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  posted on 8/7/2002 at 07:53 PM
In my question i ment to not only constrict it to Humans but to our whole being.
:-D

 

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  posted on 8/7/2002 at 09:23 PM
GOD HAS A HARD-ON FOR MARINES. DO YOU KNOW WHY GOD LOVES THE MARINE CORPS, SOLDIER? BECAUSE THE MARINE CORE GOES PLACES AND KILLS LOTS OF PEOPLE FOR GOD. DO YOU UNDERSTAND, PRIVATE PILE?

 

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  posted on 9/7/2002 at 12:20 PM
I like the movie Full Metal Jacket also but it does not help the answer that we are looking for :lol:

 

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  posted on 9/7/2002 at 02:02 PM
*starts to sing*
How much is that doggy in the window.. the one with the curly brown tail (woof woof) how much is that doggy in the window.. i sure hope that he is for sale..

(sorry.. im half aslepe..)
anywho..
we arent gunna get anywhere thinking that us humans should BE suprime.. just because we have tecnology and bla bla bla..
i still think that animals are smarter.. they dont need to be taught some things they just know it.. instinct...
i dont think we have that anymore.. we are taught just about everything we know... maybe thats our problem.. we are mant to kill something to live.. but e dont kill anything.. maybe we need that violence.. maybe we are mant to be a violent species.. who knows..

 

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  posted on 9/7/2002 at 04:34 PM
Marines...gah. Join the Marines, Go to Interesting new places, meet fascinating exotic people...and kill them.
I think animals are simpler, and maybe purer than humans...yeah, but theyīre just as violent. And as far as Iīm concerned Humanity (not the individual mind you, theres a difference) IS at the top of the foodchain...and weīre prolly gonnaī stay there for awhile.
Animalīs donīt build rocket launchers...
Anywho...I am an advocate for violence, maybe not in all of itīs myriad forms, but for itīs essential nature.
And tell me it doesnīt feel good to drop some mealymouthed moron who was talking shit about you for looking, thinking and acting the way you do...tell me it doesnīt feel good when you stand up and knock the shit out of someone who was practically begging for it...
It does feel good, sometimes too good...itīs the fire in our spirit, itīs there for a reason, and it burns hot...it can be a tool, or it can be a disaster...depends on how you manage to control it I guess.
And I think people have instincts...I know I do, and Iīve seen it in others. Suppressed...yeah, but theyīre there...

 

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  posted on 9/7/2002 at 05:36 PM
If violence is an instinct then how come there are people that constantly try to get rid of that instinct

 

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  posted on 9/7/2002 at 07:04 PM
Human beings have no instincts. We have urges and compulsions (fight or flight) but no instincts. Instinct is a complex pattern of behavior that is genetically inherant in ALL members of a single species. Spiders knowing at birth how to spin webs. Migration of birds. Hibernation. Continuation of the species.
Humans having a larger more complex brain (that odly enough we dontī USE most of it...we got thumbs, what the hell do we need the rest of our brain for?) and an unheard of visciousness and adaptability is what made us succeed as a species. This may also be our downfall. We, in the beginning, had instincts. Very primitive, we were, when we had them. No longer are they present in the species.
Violence is present in every species...some more eager to express it than others. Chimpanzees, human kindīs closest "relative", are very human in their TEMPER...without the reasoning ability to control it. There is a saying "Never turn your back on the ocean, or a family of chimps". Silver back gorillas, however, are generally quite gentle, resorting to violence after much posturing and scare tactics. True violence to them is a last resort, like with elephants.
As much as we hate our violent tendencies, it is what allowed our species to progress while other failed homoerectus prototypes died out. Neanderthals were a very peaceable, mostly vegetarian, and reclusive human prototype. They were killed out/out bred by homosapiens....natureīs evil twin. Our voracity allowed us to outcompete all other species...and old habits die hard.
As we strive to become a more "enlightened" society, we find our repressed violent tendencies and those of others more and more frusterating. We get "stressed out"..by whatever, our jobs, our lives, our families, our seeming stagnation and lack of evolutionary progression, traffic, etc..and voila, behold the human beast within us all.
We hold ourselves higher than nature...seem to think that we can pave it, strip it, use it, repress it in ourselves, that weīre special. We are monkeys who survived insurmountable odds to become what we are now. Apes with table manners. and computers. and cars. Whoopie.

 

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  posted on 9/7/2002 at 11:47 PM
You donīt run up to a bull and bash your head into it...instead, you tie a bunjee cord around itīs balls and jump on itīs back....theres a fucked up metaphor for dealing with Violence there.
But claiming that Violence is "bad" is Care Bear crap thatīs better left for sunday morning cartoons.
Violence IS...deal with it, get good at it, or someone else whoīs better is going to put you under.
I respect pascifists, a lot actually...I just donīt agree with īem.

 

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  posted on 10/7/2002 at 09:57 AM
I donīt have a lot of respect for pacifism, but I do at times envy it...to just let the waves wash over instead of swimming against the tide. In my mind if you arenīt part of the solution youīre part of the problem...pacifism can easily transcend to apathy if unchecked. I canīt turn the other cheek...thereīs still one side yet unslapped and I wonīt suffer an indignity twice. I canīt. Some people will. I wonīt.
Call it prideful, call it violent, I call it self preservation. I fully realize that one person against the world will do nothing for the world, but itīs about the self, and the upholding of oneīs self, dignity, and the dignity of others. Violence against yourself is an attempt to lower you in the eyes of others, physically and psychologically. Yet standing by and allowing others to suffer the same is as bad, in my eyes, as allowing it to happen to yourself. Violence just IS...I donīt question that either, but just because something IS doesnīt mean you have to take it, or allow it. Violence is present in every society and culture on earth, whether itīs acceptable or not, and thereīs nothing you can do but keep it in check. Itīll never be at an accpetable level in the minds of anyone....90% of us hate the idea of violence, but keeping it in check is all we can do.

 

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  posted on 10/7/2002 at 10:27 AM
Im going to pose a new question could violence be in every action we do and take part in?

 

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  posted on 10/7/2002 at 10:57 AM
Beast, violence is only inherant in the sick. potty training also isnt an "instinct" and some people do wet the bed thier whole lives, but that doesnt make it a good thing. We do teach our kids to NOT piss themselves when ever the urge comes on them, but frequently we fail to teach our kids to NOT hit whenever the urge hits (giggle).
LOts of people do make every act of thier lives a violent act, but like i said lots of people pee the bed thier whole life too.
Most of us dont, because we want a dry bed, a happy bed partner, and not to have to wash the sheets every day.

 

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  posted on 10/7/2002 at 11:55 AM
Well, I think it might be because humans are predators, but we also have intelligence. And, well, emotions and intelligence does not blend well together. When we get angry, we hide it, we plan revenge and we do so... or we attack the other with weapons we created... (talking about the real violent people and happenings here though). We basicly use our intelligence in wrong way because of our emotions... at least those whom are very violent and such. But yeah, I donīt know... just pondering about it...

 

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