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  posted on 5/9/2006 at 08:48 AM
I think that he means that the primitive culture would have had more computing power in their flint spear tips than we had on the space shuttle, and as such, could have made a giant atlatl to send people to the moon via spear; but as they knew that after going to the moon they would have to make flint I-pods next, and as such, would be fucked, they just went back to hunting moose...

 

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  posted on 5/9/2006 at 01:29 PM
feral the only problem i had with what you said is

quote:
ages were measued in metalluygical deiscovery... and now ... by that standard, we're going through an age a week, or in som cases, before lunch.



and the changes in technology, by the standards of late, are unreasonable. computers can become obsolete in the matter of months. improvements in technology have become so abundant that ther are now insignificnt. i think we should stop measuring our sucess inch at a time and start with the yard stick.

 

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  posted on 5/9/2006 at 07:03 PM
as usual, you have missed my point...

We are more dependent on the whole on the technology, because we as a people have let ourselves become soft BECAUSE of it...

without a flint tipped spear... there is still A HARDENED SHARP STICK... and they are still able to survive...

todays technology goes, and the entire "civilization" falls...

I was simply pointing out that it...

ya know what... not worth my effort anymore...

 

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  posted on 5/9/2006 at 07:30 PM
i'm going to have to apologize for my ignorance as is often necessary.

 

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  posted on 5/9/2006 at 09:07 PM
@feral

I don't comment on most of your points because you have never taken correction gracefully and the majority of the opinions that get batted around here don't make a tiny rat's ass worth of difference.

But this argument you're proposing is no different than the time a 14-year old who got on here and wailed about how much harder this generation has it than any generation before... because his problems were "different" (and somehow, therefore, "worse") than the ones his parents had.

Technology has always been pervasive in any culture... that's why archaeologists tend to name cultures after the dominant mode of technology... and people have always been reliant upon what they do and have become resistant to change.

To put the crux of your argument into a handy syllogism:
Digital technology is more dynamic (viz. changes in form) than previous modes of technology have been, and it seems to be ubiquitous, therefore we could not live without it.

Hogwash. Doesn't even follow linearly... and while I hear this same argument from teenagers I teach who weren't alive a mere twenty years and therefore can't envision a world without ATMs, cell phones, software moguls and MTV... I do remember one and you should, too. The fact that most of these grand, sweeping changes have happened within the past fifteen years alone should be evidence that we can live without them. Maybe you don't want to live without your gameboy or Ipod, but this is a pretty recent addiction and I'm pretty sure folk won't melt away into the darkness if they have to go cold-turkey. Good lord, people said the same thing about plastic back in the 1920's.

Muh. Software makes us soft. Muh. Must go back to cave and think. Is fire friend? Muh.

 

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  posted on 5/9/2006 at 09:09 PM
no not you paleface...

wikipedia and other encclopedias draw a very bold line between modern techology and historical technology and so shall I

Historical technology... your flint spear head... before that was the sahrpened stick... still worked... if your spear head fell off...you can still STAB IT TO DEATH WITH THE STICK... and histroically... you had different forms of sharp pointed sticks through out history (till gunpowder) bronze, iron... spear and arrow heads... swords... ALL SHARP POINTY THINGS... so... millions of years of technology making a BETTER POINTY THING... Then... the head falls off... you can still STAB IT WITH A SHARP UN TIPPED STICK
so... while not as efficient... you STILL have a shapr pointy thing that you can hunt with... OR... sometimes a heavy blunt thing... if your sharp thing broke... you neighbor porbably had one... and most people had more than ONE POINTY THING to kill and hunt with... meaning... my pointy thing breaks...I make a new one or borrow one and the village STILL survives...

NOW... modern technology... levie... nice and simple...a wall buried in dirt... but still complex in it's engineering... it broke... no one had a spare pile of dirt on an engineered wall... thousands of peopel homeless and dead.. but many of them still have pointy things... in many cases one 30 year old computer is all that runs a cities water system... and due to the fact that the water is piped in from miles away... if that breaks... LOTS OF PEOPLE DIE... or suffer horribly... I am not sayin that intrinsically we need it... but we have built a house of technological cards... that when you remove one... it all comes tumbling down... and many more people die because of computer failure than pointyu thing failure... and the average person cannot hunt, gather and survive without it...

 

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  posted on 5/9/2006 at 10:45 PM
Okay, sure. They invented the word "apocalypse" just for Y2K and if people fall over dead when the batteries in their laptops run out. Why not? We live in a new age, as any self-referential definition will inform you.

This is a pretty aptly-named thread, anyway... and I got better low-tech uses of my time. I'm off to see if I can still remember how to install the batteries in a book.

 

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  posted on 6/9/2006 at 03:57 AM
Mono...there used to be a guy that would discuss this stuff and attempt to make himself understood, and further a conversation using your name... dunno what happened to my friend...but I miss him... when you hand your id back to him... let me know...

 

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  posted on 6/9/2006 at 04:04 AM
I would edit, but that seems broken...

your scorn... is making the same point I am... that it is pathetic... but your scorn for me... seems baseless... not sure what I did to earn it...save for mourning...

 

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  posted on 7/9/2006 at 06:15 PM
Mono really does have a point on that one I think...

Granted that in the last 20 years technology has been more important in society than it ever has, and more complicated technology has been coming out. But that has been the same all throughout history. The rate of inventions and new ideas has continually risen since the beginning of whenever and 20 years from now it will be completely different again and more technology will have been invented than in this 20 years. and the 20 years after that it will be again the same. there are many points in history that people look at the world and think it's at some sort of peak of technology but it just keeps going up and up and it's all the same really, all one big technological continuous age. We are more dependant on it now than ever... same thing will be true in another 20 years. So it really never ends, just keeps getting bigger and faster.

 

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  posted on 8/9/2006 at 05:38 AM
GM: *grins* you basically stated... in a nutshell... mono and I both have good points... which is what I was saying...

 

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  posted on 9/9/2006 at 01:40 AM
No, I see Feral's point (no pun intended.)

Human subsistence used to hinge on someone's possession of a pointy stick or a heavy stick. You got the best one you could, but any pointy or heavy stick would do in a pinch. We were used to foraging and hunting - we depended on ourselves.

With today's technology, we no longer have to go out on hunting expeditions or run our own farms - we just need to drive to the store and pick the nicely packaged product off a shelf. We no longer know how to find our own food within walking distance. This whole system is dependent on modern transportation and electricity. As long as these are still available, we're OK. But if we are no longer able to drive to the nearest grocery store, or if the suppliers are no longer able to drive their product to the store, or if electricity fails and refrigeration gets cut off, we're screwed.

However, technology also protects us from a lot of the stuff that pointy and heavy sticks were not able to. It creates bigger problems - it also solves them.

I do think it is wise for a person to learn to subsist while cut off from modern conveniences. While a huge apocalypse may never happen, there is always the chance of a localized failure (even a drastic one, such as New Orleans) that could potentially put you and your dependants at risk.

That is the weakness of the technology we have today - it is no longer simple enough for the average person to be able to duplicate in usable form, and most people do not know how to survive without it for long.

But of course, as much as a teenager my whine that it can't survive without its ipod or cellphone, that is of course, bull. But we are frighteningly dependent on the technologies that supply us with needs like food and heat.

 

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  posted on 9/9/2006 at 01:10 PM
omg i wanna punch that girl in the vagina O_o

Gahhhh... grow a fucking backbone.

Douchebag.

 

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  posted on 9/9/2006 at 04:38 PM
KGM... did oyu bother to read the rest of the thread?

 

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  posted on 9/9/2006 at 09:41 PM
*cough* No i didnt have time... x.x

 

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  posted on 10/9/2006 at 01:04 AM
quote:

your scorn... is making the same point I am... that it is pathetic... but your scorn for me... seems baseless... not sure what I did to earn it...save for mourning...


And that's what I meant when I said you don't take correction well... unless people are actively telling you that you're brilliant, it's some kind of personal attack. Why bring up mourning? I didn't... and I don't see having lost loved ones as making you particularly special. I never said a damned thing about you personally, but it's not going to cause me any lost sleep if you want to take it that way.

One thing I'm NOT going to do is get into any variation of the "You don't like me!"- "You don't understand me!"- "I'll see your shot-in-the-stomach and raise you one childhood-molestation!" debates. You're not fucking special... I'm not fucking special... and if there's a truly special person in this train-wreck of a planet, I haven't heard about them. What I am is PISSED OFF at pseudo-intellectuals who don't offer any solutions because EVERYTHING nowadays is "exceptional". EVERYTHING is "special". I save every bowel movement I have for posterity because they are so goddamned unique.

And while we sit here talking past one another and being "special" with our exceptional new problems that nobody else could possibly ever understand, everything around us swirls down into that little porcelain hole en route to the most un-special extinction a dumbassed species could ever achieve. And after having sat through more than a few self-congratulatory conversations like this one, part of me truly and deeply believes that it can't happen fast enough.

Incidentally... Bageant has finally put his finger on my exact state of mind for the past few years. Short of staring at Munch's The Scream, that is. I'll link to it, in case anyone gives a shit and has a longer attention span than a retarded goldfish.

http://www.counterpunch.org/bageant09092006.html

 

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  posted on 10/9/2006 at 02:01 AM
I liked waking up to find that link, Mono. It was nice to take a few moments to absorb someone else's well-worded rage. It made me feel slightly less alone in the cesspool.

 

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  posted on 10/9/2006 at 06:58 AM
see... this is a discussion...not a lesson... I take correction well... but in a discussion... it is point and counterpoint... when you take the standpoint of "I am right, you are wrong, you cannot see it" and then proceed to "correct" someone... I don't care who it is... that will instantly get a bad reaction... because it wasn't a lesson... that stand point is ARROGANT...

since it is a discussion... it requires more information than just "you are wrong" ...it requires an EXPLANATION of your reasoning to make the person see it from your standpoint...

reread what you wrote... it was snide and conescending with NO real explanation or counterpoint...

don't correct me... talk to me...

 

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  posted on 10/9/2006 at 07:01 AM
As for bringing up mourning... it was that piece that I noticed your scorn... it started there... therefore LOGICALLY... it is the only thing I can think of that would cause this reaction...

 

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  posted on 10/9/2006 at 10:05 PM
First, regardless of how interesting the epiphany that every consumer on the planet (let’s be honest here and stop labeling the Americans for it alone) is a monster, has this epiphany while driving near a mall. Is it to the mall or against, I do not know, but to judge while doing the same bullshit monkey thing that everyone else is doing, and to be just as much of a monster while doing it, is a ploy. So what for his screaming man. We are all monsters at some time or another. His screaming man is just so much recognition of the monster in his own head.

Secondly, I find it difficult to sit and read the claptrap of someone who is not “so fucking special” go off about how not special they are, when in reality that same person is just begging everyone to notice how special they are. Through your anger you want to be important. Same bullshit as paragraph one. You only call attention to yourself but your still a monster.

Third, I find it odd that people who would like to rant on so much about the advent of technology would use that selfsame technology to publish their rant.

Far too much trying to have your cake and eat it too in this thread.

 

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