ariadne
Member   Posts: 107 Registered: 26/9/2003 Status: Offline
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posted on 11/9/2005 at 04:48 PM |
This is a stupid topic so be warned. This a superficial one but I am
posting it anyway because it happened to me today and it made me think. I
am 33 years old. I still play the subculture game but I have toned my look
way down. I was out with my daughters and these red necks, yes they were
true blue red necks,I live in alabama because my husband is stationed here,
came out of this restaurant just freaking out over my appearance. I looked
over at the guy after I got my kids out of the car and the guy was eyeing
me down like he wanted to start some shit with me. I am a 33 year old mom
with 3 little girls standing here, ok. This guy looked at me like he hated
my guts. I know ridicule goes with looking like a freak but things change
when you are older and you have kids. You don't want somebody coming up to
you and starting shit and possibly scaring your children. That is what I
was worried about. The only reason I eyed the guy down that was staring at
me is I was making sure he got in the car and left. I didn't want my girls
to be scared by anyone. The thing is They were just a bunch of ignorant
bastards but my daughters are very sensitive and if someone started yelling
and screaming things at me I know it would scare them. So I could
understand this If I was in highschool. None of us were. These people were
adults too. It really pisses me off that people can't act like they have
some home training. Especially when there are little kids around. I am just
glad that one guy didn't start saying something else. I really thought he
was going to.
[ I just wanted to add something here. I don't think I made my intent very
clear when I started this forum and that is where I went wrong because so
far there have been insults thrown my way which is the way of Shmeng where
a subject such as this is concerned. Bear with me and please try to see
what I mean. I am talking about what ifs here. I know that had this
situation escalated that my kids would have been scared. They would have
been scared just because a complete stranger said something nasty to their
mommy. Don't come up with maybe you should give up the look altogether
nonsense. I know you guys are more creative than that. I would like to know
if other parents have had similar run ins. Maybe run ins that have
escalated. This is just something that made me curious. The story I told
above is just what got me to thinking about this whole thing. I am not
necessarily that concerned with the incident itself. I am more concerned
with the what ifs like I mentioned before. This has nothing to do with me
being perturbed because two morons chuckled at me, big deal. This is really
about freaks with kids.]
[Edited on 13/9/2005 by ariadne] ____________________
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Dolorosa
Extreme Fanatic   Posts: 856 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 25/10/2005 at 05:10 AM |
Personally when I dress like a "freak" I am in fact expecting, nay WANTING
an unfiendly reaction by various types around me...this is of course to sow
conflict, from which I have a chance to crack skulls and indulge in one of
my more favored vices. I dress the way I want to, but the way I want to
dress also has direct repurcussions on my engagements with other people and
their overall attitudes.
For example, strapping a gun to your chest means you plan on shooting
someone, to not shoot someone defeats its purpose, and to become upset or
even surprised when someone acts appropriately by believing you plan on
shooting someone is foolish. In the end...my opinion on the matter is.
Why the FUCK did you let them get away with giving you dirty looks!? You
should have stabbed one guy in the eye with a fork and hit the other over
the head with a bottle of Aunt Fucking Jemima...
then again...this is just me talking.
The horse is dead
It has been beaten
And I have had sex with it!
[Edited on 10/25/2005 by Dolorosa] ____________________
In the valley of the Goats, the Goat Fucker is King
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nostalgiaforinfinity
Occasional Poster   Posts: 33 Registered: 5/12/2004 Status: Offline
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posted on 17/10/2005 at 11:07 AM |
As far as i can tell, the protagonist of this post hasn't actually had a
run in with this evil "red-neck" race, so why botehr posting? I've had
bottles thrust in my face by both neds (which im guessing are are
equivalents of rednecks) and "goths", but i don't think either experience
had much to do with what i looked like or how many minors i had with me...
The kind of trouble ou get into when you're out and about depends solely on
where you are, what you look like and most importantlywhat you do. i've
been out many times looking like "a freak" and spent a very happy time with
guys who may well have beat 7 shades of shite out of me had they met me
under other circumstances. It sounds like your predujices are blinding you
too the fact that these guys are actually people too... hell, maybe they
had some small kids in the back of their pick-up screaming hell for high
water cus they'd seen some scary lady with pink hair scowling at them...
There's at least two sides to every story, it seems like you've missed at
least one of them...
excuse any spelling mistakes, but i am currently fuelled by sweet strongbow
cider.... mother of invention and killer of coherency...
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valerian
Occasional Poster  Posts: 21 Registered: 8/10/2005 Status: Offline
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posted on 17/10/2005 at 09:24 AM |
Personally I found this entire topic surprising. Am I living under a rock,
or did dressing like a freak suddenly become socially acceptable and
utterly devoid of any kind of social flack? Last time I looked, people
still fear what they don't understand - going out in public with
multi-coloured hair is a perfectly good reason for them to stare and sneer
at you. You must be new at this if you haven't figured out yet that there
are plenty of backward tits out there who like to make people who look
"different" feel uncomfortable. So of course you're going to get some
creepy looks if you take your kids out in public. Believe me, I'm not
defending these yahoos, I'm just wondering why you feel this is an issue?
You claim to understand that freaks get treated poorly, yet you are
"concerned" about your kids getting scared. Um... hello...
You know, if I had a dime for every time in the last 18 years I was giggled
at, followed, hit on, insulted from across the street, threatened, and had
soda cans (among other things) tossed at me, I'd be a rich woman. People
aren't quite as bad now as they were then, but you've got to be pretty
naive to think that no one's going to do anything if you happen to "look
funny". If you're worried about your kids getting scared, maybe re-think
the wardrobe. Or, use it as a means to teach them that people can be cruel
and unfair to those who walk to the beat of a different drummer, and teach
them how to be strong and defend themselves from small-minded people. I
know more than a few moms who had to reconsider their appearance for the
sake of their kids, and it didn't kill them to change. They gladly made
the sacrifice. But I also know a few who stuck to their look, and did a
lot of work to teach their kids about prejudice.
[Edited on 17/10/2005 by valerian] ____________________
Art of Adornment ~ Victorian & Gothic Accessories
www.artofadornment.ca
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EyeCandyRayce
Fanatic   Posts: 247 Registered: 19/1/2004 Status: Offline
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posted on 16/10/2005 at 05:44 PM |
*laughs*
I'd buy a ticket to that! ____________________
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MystryssRavynDarque
Extreme Fanatic  Posts: 648 Registered: 24/9/2002 Status: Offline
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posted on 15/10/2005 at 02:57 PM |
Dey took our jarbs!
Does this mean all the guys have to get in a big pile and start fucking
eachother now? ____________________
"People always say what we are looking for is a meaning for life…I don't
think that's what we're looking for. I think what we're looking for is the
experience of being alive." -Joseph Campbell
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Dolorosa
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 856 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 11/10/2005 at 02:17 AM |
You know I've figured on combining those two sweet ambrosiac delicacies on
many an occasion...
But the fucking taquitos glared at me and took my job.
Dey took my jarb! ____________________
In the valley of the Goats, the Goat Fucker is King
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bettie_x
Extreme Fanatic  Posts: 1570 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 8/10/2005 at 10:27 PM |
| I"m full of whiskey, taquitos (vegan! hallelujah!) and watching the new
skinny puppy dvd. I feel like brawlin. C'mon dolo, GIMME ANOTHER
BOOMBALATTY! ____________________
Trapped in time. Surrounded by evil. Low on gas.
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Schizo
Extreme Fanatic  Posts: 897 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 3/10/2005 at 03:21 AM |
If no one's opinions count because they weren't actually there to witness
it, then why ask for anyone's opinions?
So your blatant sterotyping (why does it matter what the person threatening
you looks like?),your chip on your shoulder, and your inability to accept
anyone else's input unless it lines up exactly with what you wanted to
hear, was actually a deliberate ploy to show us up for being big bullies
who pick on people for no reason?
Seems to me you only proved that we generally have fairly good reasons when
we "pick on" people.
You liked us pretty well when we agreed with you.
[Edited on 10/3/2005 by Schizo] ____________________
"You can tell by the scars on my arms and the cracks in my hips and the
dents in my car and the blisters on my lips that I'm not the carefullest of
girls." - Dresden Dolls, "Girl Anachronism"
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Dolorosa
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 856 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 3/10/2005 at 01:05 AM |
Wheeeeeeee.
BOOOOOM!!!
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Devin
Administrator  Posts: 317 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Online
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posted on 2/10/2005 at 02:08 PM |
| lol @ her ____________________
So Sayeth Me
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Starlight
Extreme Fanatic  Posts: 618 Registered: 27/9/2002 Status: Offline
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posted on 1/10/2005 at 01:47 AM |
My only advice for ariadne, for when she comes back to read the responses,
is she's got to learn to laugh at herself and find humor there. If she
can't learn to laugh at herself, then she'll never see what everyone else
thinks is funny.
I know a few teenagers who refer to themselves as freaks, one of whom is
especially insecure about her looks, but even she knows how to laugh at
herself when it's funny.
That will be what tides her through her insecurities and will eventually
build that part of her confidence up to where she doesn't worry over it so
much.
My regular motto on laughing at myself is this:
If I do something stupid, then go ahead and laugh at me, cuz I'm probably
already laughing at myself.
The only addendum to the motto is that if I fall down on my ass and need
help getting up, please help me up while you are laughing.
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"When choosing between two evils, I always like to try the one I've never
tried before." ~Mae West
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bettie_x
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 1570 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 1/10/2005 at 12:29 AM |
Q....how come everyone has a grand scheme but me?
Ariadne, I kept my big galloping mouth shut from the get go BECAUSE I saw
the potential for disaster (the "you weren't there and I was o discordia) ,
and honestly for once I just didn't want to be the one to smell blood.
Honestly, if I were to offer any personal advice (ha! me + life advice =
oxymoron), please lighten up. Drop the victim-hood, let go of the "freak
persona", and let a little sunshine in. I learned this long ago....the
world lives up to your expectations. If you think you're a freak (proud or
otherwise) the world will treat you like a freak. When I stopped thinking
of myself as a freak I realised I was just another fashionable broad with
too much makeup who could fit her index fingers through her earlobes to
scare the kid with safeteypins in his face, an actual living breathing
human being, not a human/victim people treated me as such. When I stopped
looking for glares I stopped getting them, when I quit pitching a fit over
everything and how it relates to my "uniqueness" , I stopped being picked
on. I also gave up the thought that I was unlovable and unatractive, and
was atractive to someone and loved more than I thought I would ever
deserve. The best diet I ever went on was mental. I looked at myself and
said "eh, for a fat girl, you're pretty good lookin" Not necessarily
relalating to this particular thread, but important in it's meaning. What
you think of yourself and of those around you projects on the happenstance
of your life.
It was life changing.
Now let's play to the Grand Scheme. Honestly girl, why bother? Why bother
testing assholes? As in my "life imitates life" parabal earlier, when
assholes are thought of assholes and hence TREATED like assholes, the
obvious conclusion is that they will be assholes. What a waste of a govt
grant. All you accomplished is giving a very concise overview of your
online personality, where when all agree with you (as in the daughter's
money bit) things went swimmingly, but when other opionions were voiced, or
"off topic" (which they weren't....I still stick to my guns about
spectacular devestation vs. singular tragedies being equal, and
this...well...THIS) it was almost a gauranteed hissy fit. How tragic to
play yourself so harshly. I'm sorry girl, you did it to yourself.
I would like to know who shot off your sense of humor/sarcasm so
irreparably that it couldn't be reattatched. Mine has been shot off
several times, but nothing that superglue couldn't fix. I wasn't there
when you're daughter's father was killed, but you weren't there when I sat
for a week in the hospital with my husband in bed with a tube the size of
my thumb between his ribs as he cried in pain and the weeks of tending
bedrest that followed. I didn't have a bad childhood, but I've seen the
effects of it on the life of the person who means the most to me in the
world. I wasn't there for the hurricane, but I see/feel the personal
strife the overall impact it causes in my life and those around me. You
can't see the forrest for the trees, and all that nonsense.
I don't have children. I can't afford them, I want them desperately, I
cried the other night I wanted them so badly, a family of my own. It
wouldn't change my opinion, but how would I know, I chose to wait with a
breaking heart for the time and money to do it right ( in my opinion of
"right"), so what would I know.
We weren't there (for anything) but it doesn't mean it hasn't happened to
"us", impacted "us", or been felt by "us". There is a great chasm in your
thinking that has been dug by your own hand....the "us vs them", the "were
theres" vs the "weren't theres", the "haves" and "have nots". Dont' demand
an island and burn the boats, then bemoan the poor company. I learned it
the hard way, I expect you shall too. I hope you find yourself a better
person for the life lesson. For yourself and for your children. ____________________
Trapped in time. Surrounded by evil. Low on gas.
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EyeCandyRayce
Fanatic Posts: 247 Registered: 19/1/2004 Status: Offline
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posted on 30/9/2005 at 05:26 PM |
Yep.. just ignore what I just pointed out to you as an outside observer and
keep thinking how perfect and right you are. Maybe it will come true!
Not.
The thing about this site is that the people here are real friends, not
just a bunch of strangers all chatting away online with people we don't
know or have never met. This isn't about getting the most hits by
welcoming every joe smoe and his friends. We do tend to run off people who
are incapable of having a debate without being insulted or freaking out,
people who can't understand humor in serious conversations or people who
just generally can't see other people's point of view without being jerks
about it. So some people are going to be ran off. You are someone that I
have just pointed out as being someone who takes offense to what other
people say, see your own view as the only view and enjoy picking fights are
being mad at people. Obviously you won't fit in here and you should
leave.
So bye bye. Don't let the door hit you in the... oh hell.. you know the
rest.
I'm sure you will come back and check to see if anyone replied to your
little tantrum. Take your toys and go home.
[Edited on 10/1/05 by EyeCandyRayce] ____________________
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ariadne
Member Posts: 107 Registered: 26/9/2003 Status: Offline
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posted on 30/9/2005 at 05:19 PM |
| This will be my last post here but before I go I just want to make one
thing clear. If you feel comfortable calling me what you like that is fine.
Whatever makes you feel better. I brought this subject up to see how far
you guys would go to rip me a new one. I got the idea after this happened
to me and figured this was the best way to find out. I was right. It
doesn't really matter. I have watched you guys rip into people whenever
they try to talk about fashion or whatever it is subcultural they wish to
discuss and you have scared many people off by doing so and many times you
were complete bastards about it. They were just starting a topic that
interested them but because it may not have interested any of you the best
choice for you all was to give them shit over it. I have been around even
when I wasn't posting. That is what I have seen. So this topic wasn't an
accident. I wanted to see if I could attempt to have a serious discussion
with you guys about something of this nature and I proved that with you
guys it isn't possible. You are too busy flinging shit instead of seeing
things as they are. Yes, I got nasty this time, because you all reacted
just as I thought you would. It was rather annoying. Anyhow, I just
realized through all of this that Shmeng is not for me after all. I can't
tolerate people who can't respect the feelings of others. In this post I
made my feelings known that this situation made me uncomfortable and this
became a standing joke. I normally have a great sense of humor but over the
past few months I must say I have built up a hatred for all of you and the
way I have seen you treat people. So sorry you're so surprised but you guys
aren't the nicest group of people when a new person comes along and I have
seen it over the past couple of years. So I got fed up. This is how I chose
to leave. With some noise. I love how you are so righteous about everything
now. You guys need to look at your site and look around you. I am outta
here. ____________________
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EyeCandyRayce
Fanatic Posts: 247 Registered: 19/1/2004 Status: Offline
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posted on 30/9/2005 at 04:05 PM |
You know ariadne, I was about to come to your defense somewhat since it did
seem to me that maybe you were just curious if it had ever happened to
anyone else. It greatly seemed that when people made an effort to answer
that question once you tried to make it clear that was all you were curious
about, you still took offence to everything everyone said to you. Then you
made that last comment and I went "wow.. that really showed how immature
she is". Just because you have kids doesn't make you a grown up.
If you think everyone is such dicks even though, no matter what anyone said
you took offence, then go the fuck away. Why do people insist on causing
drama by staying someplace they don't feel wanted and picking fights with
everyone. It does seem that you were starting this fight on purpose and
then blaiming everyone else for the fight.
Now if you look in other threads where you have gotten upset at people, you
started it and then later apologized for starting it. Then you do it again
here and when nobody backs down, you say we have been doing it all along
and we are all a bunch of dicks and you were just trying to prove it. Look
at the gas price thread for instance where you blew up thinking everyone
was stupid and rude and you picked a bunch of fights. When people finally
pointed this out to you calmly, you backed down.
Now, let's look at psychology here. Most of the people on this site have
good confidence in themselves and are not the shy type who will just back
down to those who throw a bigger fit or run away from a fight. On numerous
occasions people have talked calmly to you to get you to see that you were
jumping everyone's case for nothing. Doesn't it seem logical that people
would get sick of talking you down and finally just say "fuck off".
I think you need to look at yourself before telling everyone else they are
the one with the problem.
Can you say DRAMA QUEEN! I knew you could boys and girls.
And don't bother trying to pick a fight with me simply because I gave an
outside opinion that has not been involved until this point. I won't play
into your little "make myself a victum" game.
[Edited on 9/30/05 by EyeCandyRayce] ____________________
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Anonymous
Posts: 116 Registered: 14/4/2002 Status: Offline
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posted on 30/9/2005 at 07:21 AM |
1. Thanks for helping you prove your point that this was a stupid topic? No
problemo.
2. In much of your typing, thinking IS murdered. Then you cut up the body
in little pieces, bury them in the backyard, and take a giant shit on
them.
3. When everyone thinks you're an asshole, it's either everyone else or
you. Since you've decided it's everyone else in this case, we won't expect
you to stick around. Unless you're here to troll?
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gothicmorman
Fanatic Posts: 233 Registered: 11/7/2002 Status: Offline
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posted on 30/9/2005 at 12:30 AM |
That should be an interesting post for sure! If the attempt works out that
is....
Merry: So, what kind of cake? (yum >.>)
ariadne: So now that you have proved that you hate everyone on this site -
are you still going to post like Abbadon or will you leave?
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bettie_x
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 1570 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 29/9/2005 at 10:40 PM |
| O discordia....something good (perhaps) has come out of all this, it's
reminded me to attempt to write an actual post about Jim Goad's "White
Trash Manifesto: how rednecks, hillbillies, and white trash became
america's scapegoats". Thanks ladies (and gennelmin)!! ____________________
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Merry_Widow
Fanatic  Posts: 598 Registered: 24/8/2002 Status: Offline
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posted on 29/9/2005 at 09:15 PM |
Why is it that whenever something doesn't go the way someone wants it to,
they try to turn in around and say that it was some grand trap to catch
everyone for their own amusement?
People honestly tried to engage this topic, but had their responses spurned
by you, Ariadne, because you decided they weren't taking it seriously
enough. How seriously do you expect people to take a topic that you
outright claimed to be stupid and superficial?
So you just sit back and tell yourself that this whole thing turned out the
way you expected, and get on with your life. Good luck with your kids, good
luck with the guy over in Kuwait whom you don't seem very fond of, and good
luck with your hyper-intellectual, non-labeled life.
Now if you don't mind, I have a cake in the oven that needs checking.
[Edited on 9/30/2005 by Merry_Widow] ____________________
Okay, dazzle me.
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