pale-face
Fanatic   Posts: 478 Registered: 22/9/2004 Status: Offline
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posted on 19/11/2004 at 07:44 PM |
everything now a day's "causes" violence. how can people honestly say that
watching people get hurt on TV causes violence. how can they say that video
games cause violence. they have even gone far enough to say that music
causes violence.
let me know what you think about this.
[Edited on 20/11/2004 by pale-face] ____________________
fucking classy.
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MoonSong
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posted on 20/11/2004 at 12:07 AM |
As far as im concerned I agree, everything now-a-day causes violence in one
form or another. Now, whether it be caused by the upbringing, the locale,
mental defect, et cetera is a diffrent story all together. It's completely
asinine to believe that music, video games, movies, and TV are some of the
main causes of violence. If you want to find the source of the violence
look towards something far less trivial. Instead of blaming our current
media, take in to consideration that our entire planet is driven by war and
an overwhelming desire to succeed at nearly any cost. As well as the fact
that we have a warhawk of a president just further complicating this
problem. Rather than asking "what is causing the violence in our society?"
and then inevitably scapegoating it on media we should just realize that it
is our entire society that drives this violence not just a few independent
variables.
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pale-face
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posted on 20/11/2004 at 09:32 PM |
quote:
whether it be caused by
the upbringing, the locale, mental defect
be careful how you use those words around here.
but other than that, I only agree somewhat with what your saying. what we
watch can not directly change our actions making us violent. how is that at
all possible. When is the last time you saw a violent movie then got up and
killed someone. and yes, it may be fuelling a violent society, but it did
not start the violence. the violence was humans pre-disposition.
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fucking classy.
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Abbadon
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posted on 20/11/2004 at 11:03 PM |
| Maybe violence and the propogation of popular media are both symptoms of
the same sociological shift. ____________________
Light is changing to shadow, and casting a shroud over all we have known.
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Anonymous
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posted on 20/11/2004 at 11:27 PM |
quote:
what wh watch can not
directly change our actions making us violent. how is that at all possible.
Hmm, I believe I may have been slightly misunderstood. I was agreeing media
is not at fault for the violence. I dont mean to offend anyone
with the "mental defect" thing I was jsut eluding more towards anti-social
disorder and other mental diseases that are violence prone.
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MoonSong
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posted on 20/11/2004 at 11:30 PM |
whoops sorry the last post was mine.. probably quite obviously.
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MystryssRavynDarque
Extreme Fanatic   Posts: 648 Registered: 24/9/2002 Status: Offline
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posted on 21/11/2004 at 12:27 AM |
| Everyone can say that media does not cause violence, and everyone can say
that media does cause violence, but either way there is violence and always
will be. There will be no world peace, there will be no Utopia, there will
always be problems and somehow they will always be dealt with and blamed on
someone or something. A lot of the time the people who are blaming the
violence on the television shows their children watch shouldn't be blaming
the shows, but they should be blaming themselves for not paying enough
attention to the shows their children let melt their minds. Violence was,
is, and always will be a part of human nature. ____________________
"People always say what we are looking for is a meaning for life…I don't
think that's what we're looking for. I think what we're looking for is the
experience of being alive." -Joseph Campbell
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IamSquid
Extreme Fanatic  Posts: 658 Registered: 27/5/2002 Status: Offline
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posted on 21/11/2004 at 02:13 AM |
| I don't know, I can only handle so much N-Sync before the fatalities start
happening. ____________________
i wanted to die, and then it progressed into wanting everyone else to
die so i could watch, and then me die.
-ickgirl
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Anonymous
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posted on 21/11/2004 at 07:10 AM |
*plays N-sync at abnormally loud volume*
quote:
There will be no world
peace, there will be no Utopia, there will always be problems
Perhaps, but the world in general is getting better. Slowly. No thanks to
Putin, Jong, Bush, Laden, Mugabe etc. They seem intent on going backwards.
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Wok
Occasional Poster   Posts: 25 Registered: 14/11/2004 Status: Offline
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posted on 21/11/2004 at 07:13 AM |
Sorry, double post. That last one is me.
*turns up volume*
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feralucce
Extreme Fanatic  Posts: 1810 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 22/11/2004 at 06:12 PM |
| perhaps... just perhaps... we are returning to what we were before... I
think being human causes violence... primates too smart for their own
fucking good ____________________
The earth turns on a tilted axis - just doing the best it can.
Hohenheim of Light~Full Metal Alchemist
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Wok
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posted on 22/11/2004 at 06:56 PM |
If we were primates everything would be ok. When was the last time you saw
a Chimp commit genocide, adultary ...or steal an election?
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Merry_Widow
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posted on 22/11/2004 at 11:11 PM |
| Watch the discovery channel, Wok. Chimps can be just as mean and violent as
humans, with just as little cause. ____________________
Okay, dazzle me.
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feralucce
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 1810 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 23/11/2004 at 05:43 AM |
Wok: 1) we ARE primates... scientifically speaking... that is the family we
fall into...
2) our base behaviors, facial expressions and reactions are 98% similar at
birth and during childhood as those of apes...
3) WormWood cited an example in another forum... Put a ladder in the center
of the room with a bucket on it. WHen ever one of the apes touches the
ladder, blast the room with high pressure cold water. Introduce a new
ape... when he approaches the ladder, they will beat the everliving fuck
out of him. Each time you introduce a new ape, remove one of the original
troupe. Eventually, all the apes that knew the water would happen are gone,
but they still attack when someone gets near the ladder... just fucking
humans...
If one band of chimps invades another's territory... they will attempt to
kill the invading band - genocide... we're jsut better at it as we have
invented nukes, guns and daytime television...
The troupes alpha has sex with anyone he wants... monogamy is a primarily
human thing, honestly - adultery
and we're the only primates who have a popularity contest for leadership...
The eldest/strongest leads a troupe of apes, as they have proved they have
what it takes to survive...
your citations are examples that are not really fitting to the situation...
but they seem to be doing it better than us anyway ____________________
The earth turns on a tilted axis - just doing the best it can.
Hohenheim of Light~Full Metal Alchemist
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bettie_x
Extreme Fanatic  Posts: 1570 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 25/11/2004 at 01:12 AM |
Chimps are goddamned MEAN assholes. You pretty much have the strength of a
full grown man with the temper of a 3 year old child in a lightning quick,
flixible and small package. And they are JUST like us, in so many ways.
You're safer being dropped into a family of gorillas than chimps. Gorillas
are more gentle and respond to submissive behavior of intruders or even
assailants, whereas chimps will beat and claw the fuck out of you while you
cower on the ground just cuz you caught them in a "bad mood".
____________________
Trapped in time. Surrounded by evil. Low on gas.
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pale-face
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posted on 27/11/2004 at 12:59 PM |
| I’m rather sure if the consequences were not there people would beat the
shit out of each other just because they were in a bad mood. ____________________
fucking classy.
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angel_of_death
Member   Posts: 119 Registered: 4/4/2004 Status: Offline
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posted on 28/11/2004 at 12:32 AM |
| some people do it anyway... ____________________
I know whats it like to want to die, how it hurts to smile, how you try to
fit in but you can't, how you hurt yourself on the outside, to try to kill
the pain in the inside.
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feralucce
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 1810 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 28/11/2004 at 11:22 AM |
| and so will the great apes is what I am saying... jeeze... do some research
and you will find my commentary is correct... ____________________
The earth turns on a tilted axis - just doing the best it can.
Hohenheim of Light~Full Metal Alchemist
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pale-face
Fanatic Posts: 478 Registered: 22/9/2004 Status: Offline
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posted on 28/11/2004 at 09:05 PM |
| thats rather obvious feral. apes (along with humans) think very
primitively. they cant help it. and neither can we. unless we all
simultaneously have an epiphany and start thinking more clearly. we are all
doomed to be trapped within the walls of our ignorance. ____________________
fucking classy.
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bettie_x
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 1570 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 29/11/2004 at 01:12 AM |
Great apes ARE very termpermental and very very like their cousins that
made it "over the hump". But of the two discussed, gorillas vs chimps,
I'll place my bet on a gorilla any day.
People are just plain mean. Even the best have "bad" thoughts, but most of
us deal. ____________________
Trapped in time. Surrounded by evil. Low on gas.
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