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Monolycus
Fanatic   Posts: 580 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 9/8/2004 at 04:26 AM |
Schiz: No forgiveness necessary. The Buddha never forbade a monk from
becoming angry, but never for more than a night. If you are still pissed
in the morning, we're going to need to talk. ~smile~
~M. ____________________
"I believe that woman is planning to shoot me again."
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Abbadon
Fanatic  Posts: 499 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 9/8/2004 at 04:40 AM |
Mono: I have no qualms with you, as I respect your opinion on this matter.
My last post was poorly worded. After my initial two sentences the rest was
aimed at the initiator of this forum, and not your good self. Please accept
my apologies for any undue concern caused.
As for the rest of you... You could learn a thing or two from Mono! ____________________
Light is changing to shadow, and casting a shroud over all we have known.
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W0rmW00d
Fanatic  Posts: 355 Registered: 5/8/2004 Status: Offline
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posted on 9/8/2004 at 06:19 AM |
its a fine idea. vindictiveness is always a solution.
You are squid. have you yet found proof that i am abbadon apart from the
fact that you have decided it is so. i have given you proof otherwise.
remember?
if you dislike me, then dislike me, fine. if you want to lump us together
into a category, then do so, fine, but do not say that nick and i are the
same person. what you say to one does not apply to the other. if one sends
a reply to you then the other hasnt. is your hostility towards me based
solely because you think im abbadon, or is it the fact that i made some
mistakes when i joined this site? or that i discuss things, rather than
letting them lie?
i think that the idea of a + and - symbol is the most workable, by the way.
its quite a good one if thats a path that you want to follow. ____________________
Eritis sicut Deus scientes bonum et malum.
And the third angel sounded, and a troll army did descend upon the world.
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callei
Extreme Fanatic   Posts: 759 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 9/8/2004 at 08:48 AM |
Woody, I think you are under a false impression. You have refered to this
as a "open community", implying that anyone can come here and be accepted
automatically and that "new" people coming here are desireable or sought
after. Some levels of this site are available to the common surfer, but
some are not. We do not advertise or recruit. we are not trying to make
lots of new "friends". That fact that anyone can get here (barring
censorware) doesnt mean that we want them to be our new bestfriend.
We arent a closed community, meaning that no one else can ever join, but we
arent open either. We do judge, choose, and accept or reject as we see fit.
It is not a popularity contest or a democracy. We do ban people, have
reported stalkers and meanines in the past, and reject people to thier
"faces". We have also paid for people's net connections or computers so
they can stay online, helped protect people from online stalkers and
meanies, and accept people to thier face.
We are often loud and silly, sometimes serious, sometimes contentious.
Make as many friends as you want, piss off whoever you want, do whatever
you want. We can erase your posts, ban your IP (or a range of IPs if that
will be easier for us), and forget that you ever took up bandwidth here at
any time.
You, like a few others that have come here in the past, seem to think that
we "like" boys here and that you dick (in a literal or figurative sense)
makes any difference to us. It doesnt. in fact, we started out as a website
with all females and one guy. the more noise you bored, unlaid boys make,
the less attention you get from the women here. We have graphs to prove it.
no, really we do. It makes for a good laugh every August when the "pissy
boys" show up and we get to add more data. ____________________
Real goths wear silver and crosses to keep the werewolves and vampires
away.
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Shade
Fanatic  Posts: 289 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 9/8/2004 at 09:27 AM |
| Wow, I found the minus sign! *hits the little negative marker next to
"Forums"* ____________________
It is only through the lack of sex that humanity derives the need for an
all encompassing blind love. And in that moment of extreme horniness with
no relief in sight, in that moment can be found the birth of religion.
-Me
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feralucce
Extreme Fanatic  Posts: 1810 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 9/8/2004 at 09:40 AM |
Abbadon said:"we decided it was interesting that you should choose to have
the ability to ignore the views of people who differ from your own, instead
of interpreting them in a constructive fahion. "
I find it interesting that my wanting you be able to never have to read
your drivel again is interpreted as wanting to block views different from
my own... It, honestly has nothing to do with views, but behavior...
Schizo said "Christians, Satanists, Pagans, Buddhists, followers of Cthulu
and Eris, vegans, vegetarians, omnivores, homosexuals, heterosexuals,
bisexuals, monogamous, polyamoury, liberals, conservatives, Europeans,
Americans, Romani, smokers, non-smokers, drinkers, teetotalers, etc., etc.,
and so on, and so forth, all get along very well, interact, debate, laugh,
cry, and enjoy the hell out of each other every single day here."
being the ONLY erisian here... I feel it necessary to point out that for me
to ignore those whose views differ from mine means I would ignore
everyone... it is just you that I wish to be rid of... Thank you for your
compliment, but a different personality in private will not change my
opinion of you, only enhance it... this, honestly, is the last time I shall
post to you, uunless, by some miracle, you manage to express yourself in an
acceptible and logical manner... ____________________
The earth turns on a tilted axis - just doing the best it can.
Hohenheim of Light~Full Metal Alchemist
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Abbadon
Fanatic Posts: 499 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 9/8/2004 at 09:51 AM |
Surely you are stereotyping by saying that everybody who shares a
particular religious belief, diet, sexual preference, sexual lifestyle
preference, political view, nationality, potentially fatal hobby or view on
the reasonable amount of intake of alcoholic liquids has the same
personality. Personality, I believe, is a personal attribute, and is not
linked particularly to any of these groupings. But then you may have a
different opinion from myself, and I encourage you to share it!
BB.
[Edited on 8/9/2004 by Abbadon] ____________________
Light is changing to shadow, and casting a shroud over all we have known.
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Andree
Member   Posts: 112 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 9/8/2004 at 12:26 PM |
| Suggestion: If we fill the boards with meaningful, relevant discussion, no
one will feel the need to converse with trolls out of boredom. ____________________
< / hate >
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Schizo
Extreme Fanatic  Posts: 897 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 9/8/2004 at 04:36 PM |
Sweet, lovely Abbadon, thou most prolific of trolls, so what?
You know what? I am a discriminatory bastard. And I'm discriminating
against you. For the simple reason that I hate your sorry guts. Why? Who
cares.
The cool thing is, if you never admit you're wrong, then you must always be
right, right?
You troll by the book. I am quite aware of that. And I am feeding your
trollness by replying. I am also aware of that. And you know what? I
don't care. Maybe if I feed you enough, you'll die from overeating. And
maybe not. Again, I don't care.
You know what, I discriminate against rapists and murderers, too. Because
I discriminate according to personality, you know. And I don't like the
kind of personality that would do that sort of thing. Any more than I like
a trolling personality. You know, I 'm wierd and closed-minded that
way.
Feed the trolls, tuppence a bag! Tuppence, tuppence, tuppence a bag! ____________________
"You can tell by the scars on my arms and the cracks in my hips and the
dents in my car and the blisters on my lips that I'm not the carefullest of
girls." - Dresden Dolls, "Girl Anachronism"
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Anonymous
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posted on 9/8/2004 at 04:48 PM |
schizo; no offence but you do realize that you are putting some ass that
gets off on watching you guys get all angry at him by posting stupid things
on a website forum....to people who rape and murder....a little
overdramatic, maybe?
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feralucce
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 1810 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 9/8/2004 at 05:24 PM |
anonymous: get a name...
BUT... she was not comparing but stating that discrimination, in some
instances is logical and justified... ____________________
The earth turns on a tilted axis - just doing the best it can.
Hohenheim of Light~Full Metal Alchemist
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Abbadon
Fanatic Posts: 499 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 10/8/2004 at 01:54 AM |
| Thankyou my anonymous defender! I was shocked by her analogy also, and was
not going to comment for fear of saying something I would regret later. But
since Feral brought up the 'justification' topic, I shall begin again. Who
is she to tell me what discrimination is justified? Is it not society which
dictates these moral values? We may have our own, but the concept of being
civilised relies on our ability to subdue our opinions. ____________________
Light is changing to shadow, and casting a shroud over all we have known.
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Schizo
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 897 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 10/8/2004 at 02:27 AM |
My darling sweet Abbadon, my dearest, my love.
I'm sorry, did I shock you, sweetheart? Did I compare you to something you
find distasteful? Oh, I'm sorry! I meant to compare you to flowers and
sunshine.
You know, it is true that the degree of distaste I hold for a murdering or
raping personality is deeper than that I hold for a mere pretentiously nosy
one, but the point, my most revered sir, is that judgement by personality
is ALWAYS necessary. Well, actually, not personality so much as behavior.
Slightly different thing, honeybun.
Why Abbadon, once again you hit the nail right on the head. How insightful
of you. It is society that dictates the moral values that justify
discrimination. Just like in the southern US during the early 1800's, when
society dictated the moral values that justified the discrimination of
those of African race, dooming them to a life of slavery, and even rape and
torture.
I say, fuck societies moral values. And if that's not civilized, then
stick a feather in my hair and call me a savage.
And you, sugar-booger, can sit down at your civilized table and drink
civilized tea with your civilized pinky in the air, and make civilized
gasps over the appalling behavior of those boorish louts at Shmeng.
Tuppence, tuppence...
[Edited on 8/10/2004 by Schizo] ____________________
"You can tell by the scars on my arms and the cracks in my hips and the
dents in my car and the blisters on my lips that I'm not the carefullest
of
girls." - Dresden Dolls, "Girl Anachronism"
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Abbadon
Fanatic Posts: 499 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 10/8/2004 at 02:49 AM |
| Now, now, you cute little ball of fun. Don't lets get terse. You foget,
sweetcheeks, that I come from a civilised (where we spell things with 's's
instead of 'z's) country. I hope you will agree, bubeleh, that society has
advanced in the past two hundred year. With ever new law passed in the name
of political and personal freedom we encroach closer on a state of social
morality whereby each person is free from the judgement of others, and only
by the law of society itself. Perhaps, shnookams, you are not yet secure
enough, as I am, in my belief that society will protect me from the actions
of others, and that their words mean little. ____________________
Light is changing to shadow, and casting a shroud over all we have known.
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Schizo
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 897 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 10/8/2004 at 03:33 AM |
Society is made up of individuals. Individuals who make their own opinions
and values, and have the guts to live up to them. If certain individuals
did not have the strength to stand up against the flow of society's norms,
then slavery would still exist in America.
I am certainly not one to lie down and let the stream of society carry me
where it will. And I am not so naive as to think that it contains no
stones to break my bones. I will continue to think and believe what I
think and believe, whether everyone or no one agrees with me.
And I forgot - it's wherever your mother decided to push you out that makes
you who you are. I guess I'm crippled forever, then. I may as well give
up now, right? ____________________
"You can tell by the scars on my arms and the cracks in my hips and
the
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dents in my car and the blisters on my lips that I'm not the carefullest
of
girls." - Dresden Dolls, "Girl Anachronism"
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W0rmW00d
Fanatic Posts: 355 Registered: 5/8/2004 Status: Offline
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posted on 10/8/2004 at 05:32 AM |
schizo, you telling us that the society in which you grow up has no impact
on you? nurture has a lot to answer for i feel. certainly it isnt the be
all and end all, but it is a big factor. at least according to many
emminent psychologists and sociologists and even sociobiologists, who are
more and more turning towards genetic causes for behavior.
so wherever your mother pushes you out does, to some extent, make you who
you are.
callei. what the fuck? you think i expect you to take me seriously because
i am a bloke? that irritates me beyond beleif. i want you to accept me or
not based on what i do here. as i am so often told that shmeng does. i dont
even know what sex some of you are. and i dont care. i dont care if the
women ignore me and the men talk, i dont care if the men ignore me either.
im here to discuss ideas. the only difference my penis makes to me is the
way i urinate and the method by which i have sex. i would have hoped this
would be the same for you, but no. apparently not. apparently my y
chromosone is important to you. if you would rather i could always remove
my picture and my real name. then you would never be able to tell. oh but
wait, you would of course wouldnt you. because im a stereotype loudmouth
angry boy. and the girls here are all so prim. they never argue. ____________________
Eritis sicut Deus scientes bonum et malum.
And the third angel sounded, and a troll army did descend upon the world.
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feralucce
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 1810 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 10/8/2004 at 07:24 AM |
Worm Wood: where in her post did she say society has no impact... she
outright said "...I am not so naive as to think that it contains no stones
to break my bones." what she is saying is that we are a community/society
(A group of humans broadly distinguished from other groups by mutual
interests, participation in characteristic relationships, shared
institutions, and a common culture.)here on shmeng... she is pointing out
that as a group, we set standards that we choose to live by... we are
capable and willing to enforce those standards... she came her, liked what
she saw and agrrees with the society at large here that certain people are
not living up to the standards, and as such are to be disciriminated
against... society, not the individual decides discrimination, it is the
individual's decision whether to follow it... I for one agree with
her...
____________________
The earth turns on a tilted axis - just doing the best it can.
Hohenheim of Light~Full Metal Alchemist
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Schizo
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 897 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 11/8/2004 at 03:03 AM |
Wormwood - didn't you just recently object to Callei (I believe it was
Callei) commenting that she could tell you were raised Christian? You
conceded that, yes, you were raised a Christian, but were one no longer.
Well, why didn't you admit then that your society's nurture might have
affected who you are?
And yes, the society in which I was raised did affect me, and the way I
live and think today.
I was raised in a borderline cult. Geographically, yes, I was born in
America, but, except for the language, I may as well have been born in a
foreign country as far as culture is concerned. I never attended a public
school, never listened to pop music, and the rare times when we had TV, my
consumption of that media was severly limited.
That time has affected me. It has taken me a long time, and a lot of hard
work to be able to stand up for myself and not just take what is given to
me. I have had to struggle to learn to think for myself, and not just rest
on the "wisdom" that has been passed down to me. It is only recently that
I have shaken the instictive recoil that I have been trained to towards
homosexuals, liberals, rock music, swearing, and any form of consumption of
addictive products. I know the power of the culture I have been raised in,
because I fought it tooth and nail, and still fight it to this day. I AM
swimming against a current, and although the power of the current is
weakening (or perhaps, I am gaining strength), I will probably have to buck
that current for the rest of my life.
But you know what? Since this current is made up of people, if enough
people buck the current, then eventually the tide will turn the other way.
Until then, if I appear "uncivilized" (or uncivilised, who really cares)
to such as Abbadon, then so be it. Slave owners seemed pretty damn
civilized to each other back in the day, and so did oppressive husbands,
and those intrepid explorers who took America for their own and killed all
the natives that stood in their way, well, they were just spreading
civilization, don't you know.
Shmeng is a small group of people who have been bucking the current alone,
and now have decided it is easier to buck it together. That is all. Those
who come among us to try to drag us back into the flow, and those who cling
desperately to our tails, in hopes that we will drag them with us, will
both be shaken off one way or another. We are not interested in them, but
only in people who can carry their own weight and march alongside us. We
may each have our own take on things - the vegans and the omnivores, the
straight and the gay, as I have mentioned, but we all have this in common.
We all have seen the shmeng that is the "mainstream", and we all wish to
fight for something different.
If you are feeling rejected by us, it is probably because you are being
rejected. When you gain the heart to think for yourself, and the strength
to carry your own weight, then try again. I have yet to see anything come
flowing from your keyboard except noise, and attempts to gain attention and
"stir things up". Your forum topic on veganism was not rejected because we
have our minds closed to omnivorous practices (actually, those who
protested your post were about evenly split between vegan/vegetarian and
omnivore), but because it made it obvious that you considered those with a
different view than you dumb and hypocritical. The patently obvious fact
that it is your own mind that is closed to anything else became even more
obvious in your following posts, where the best you could reply to Shade's
post (written in an ill-deserved attempt to bring any actual debate into
the topic), was to try to insult his oral hygeine.
You have been lumped with Abaddon because both of you share similar
charactaristics. I, for one, don't think you are the same. But I do think
Abbadon has encouraged you to become his little puppet side-kick in his sad
crusade to annoy the hell out of us by trolling. I think you honestly
thought you were instigating an intelligent debate. Perhaps you are not
used to being able to start debate by merely saying something intelligent
and interesting, without having to grab attention with insults. Perhaps
the insults only serve to fill in the gaps in your argument. Perhaps you
insult because you cannot debate. At any rate, such behavior, whether
intentional or not, is trolling, and will be treated as such.
Yes, we have the right to judge and discriminate between the various people
who try to post on this website. We really don't even have to work with
you as much as we have. This site does not belong to you, and you have no
god-given right to post whatever you please. If your posts do not serve to
make Shmeng even more of what it is intended to be, then you will be
removed. Even if you think everything we want Shmeng to be is a bunch of
bologna. If we don't like the things you post, and you think they're cool,
then start your own damn website, and you and Abaddon can get together with
all the other pissy people who didn't make it, and all feel superior
together. It's fine by us.
I just don't get the mindset of people who think they should be accepted
anywhere just because they are themselves. No one has to like you or
accept you if they don't want to. Get over it. ____________________
"You can tell by the scars on my arms and the cracks in my hips and
the
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dents in my car and the blisters on my lips that I'm not the
carefullest
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of
girls." - Dresden Dolls, "Girl Anachronism"
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Abbadon
Fanatic Posts: 499 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 12/8/2004 at 02:29 AM |
| Wormwood: Thanks for taking that one for me. You know how I get when
someone can't see a logical argument, but prefere a circular one! I swear I
was about to go outside and kick my neighbours cat to death! ____________________
Light is changing to shadow, and casting a shroud over all we have known.
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KittyGoesMrow
Fanatic  Posts: 218 Registered: 30/4/2003 Status: Offline
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posted on 21/8/2004 at 01:29 AM |
| Shade: LOL! I had forgotten all about those. They are quite handy aren't
they? I found them when I was a new member and you helped me rediscover
them ^_^ ____________________
Anata ga sabishii toki, bokumo sabishii n da yo
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