feralucce
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posted on 29/7/2004 at 05:24 AM |
Do not worry about your problems with mathematics, I assure you mine are
far greater.
--Albert Einstein ____________________
The earth turns on a tilted axis - just doing the best it can.
Hohenheim of Light~Full Metal Alchemist
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Abbadon
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posted on 29/7/2004 at 06:28 AM |
Considering various forms of String and hyper-dimensional theories,
gravity, as with all forces, is in fact a plane rather than a force. yet it
is only recognised when it interects our own planes. The question is, if
the gtavitational plane uses vertices independent of the ones we recognise
as physical, why does it always act relative to them?
BB.
Abbadon ____________________
Light is changing to shadow, and casting a shroud over all we have known.
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Rogue
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 posted on 29/7/2004 at 07:37 AM |
Devin:
Ah, I am indeed familiar with the works you cited. At issue though is the
nature of the difference between information and chance. Professor Douglas
Adams, using a Bambleweeny 57 sub-meson electronic brain and an electron
vector plotter, demonstrated some key points to proving his postulate that
information and probability are derived from the same source. It was
suggested in an eccentric but theoretically valid work from 1990 titled
"Beers, Steers, Queers and the mutability of universal constants"
(Jourgensen, Acker, 23) that no universal law is truly immutable and that
seemingly dissimilar concepts such as time, gravity, information, etc may
at some point be equivalent, to wit:
"Minds are empty, heads are hollow. You might find out the truth is hard to
swallow. There's a place down there, where heads are square. Laws are
tough, and you are bare. There is a law and there is a lawman. Who is the
right, and who is the wrong man.". They go on to suggest that their
research group, the Revolting Cocks Investigative Society, is "God" as an
illustration.
Or, in the words of Professor Blackman addressing the fifth annual Teilhard
de Chardin memorial Information Symposium, "Welcome to the land of
pointless and destructive." ____________________
Plenty of time, my sweet. Plenty of time.
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feralucce
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posted on 29/7/2004 at 09:30 AM |
abbadon: cite references... or shut up...
A plane is defined as have dimension, and dimensio is defined a direction
one can move in... therefore... your statement but the basic cartesian
system accepted by modern physicists is inherently flawed... ____________________
The earth turns on a tilted axis - just doing the best it can.
Hohenheim of Light~Full Metal Alchemist
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BlueLinn
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posted on 29/7/2004 at 12:58 PM |
Rouge, what is the first name of Daughty? (Out of curiosity)
Merely because Pat Daughty was my physics tech teacher at the career
center and he had previously worked for Nasa and just retired from teaching
to work for Nasa again.
However, upon the physical plane everyone (for the most part) do have
good quotes and good sites and good positions.... However, let us expand to
the metaphorical.
Such as the gravity of a situation. The thought that gravity could be
used to explain the falling of the sky in chicken little though the sky is,
and is not dense enough to fall in mass. Being that the sky is for the most
part gaseous. Could the story be referring to a sleet or hail storm, which
then again could also be referenced to a storm of emotion. ____________________
When the world is over, will we wonder how it began?
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feralucce
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posted on 29/7/2004 at 01:50 PM |
| all... is levity... ____________________
The earth turns on a tilted axis - just doing the best it can.
Hohenheim of Light~Full Metal Alchemist
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Rogue
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posted on 29/7/2004 at 06:00 PM |
Doughty's first name is Mike, he was the front man for Soul Coughing. The
good question is, who is Rouge?
It comes full circle I see, I said much earlier that there is no such thing
as gravity, only excess levity...thanks Feral. ____________________
Plenty of time, my sweet. Plenty of time.
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Monolycus
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posted on 29/7/2004 at 11:28 PM |
Rouge is that guy they caught painting the town red.
~M. ____________________
"I believe that woman is planning to shoot me again."
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Domkitten
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posted on 31/7/2004 at 04:37 AM |
Although all of your arguments are interesting, I also remember that
Proffessor Adams et Al, postulated that the exitance of gravity could be
negated by simply forgetting about it, or at least being to distracted to
remember it.
In the early 90's publication on the nature of both temporal and
intemperate "The Ubiquitious" (Dr. Lovegroove, 69) it was stated:
"I thought that you knew it all, Well you've seen it ten times before. I
thought that you had it down, With both your feet on the ground. I love
slow...slow but deep.
Feigned affections wash over me. Dream on my dear, And renounce temporal
obligations. Dream on my dear."
Finally, as was stated in "An analysis of the inworkings of the Party"
(O'brien, 1984)
"Reality is inside the skull. You will learn by degrees, Winston. There is
nothing that we could not do. Invisibility, levitation -- anything. I could
float off this floor like a soap bubble if I wish to. I do not wish to,
because the Party does not wish it. You must get rid of those
nineteenth-century ideas about the laws of Nature. We make the laws of
Nature."
Gravity, than is little more than a thought process, and a useless one in
the grand scheme of things. If it were not for gravity pants would fall
down, and I'm all for the loss of pants. ____________________
It's like kegel exercises for your throat.~Monolycus
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dead-cell
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posted on 31/7/2004 at 07:24 PM |
| So if gavity is all in our heads why does a baby trip and fall? Better yet
if a tree falls in the woods and no one is around does it fall? ____________________
co-worker: "Your gay!?"
myself: "Didn't you see my rainbow pin?"
co-worker: "I just thought you liked skettles."
-(yes, it actually happened to me)
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feralucce
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posted on 31/7/2004 at 09:39 PM |
| consensual reality ____________________
The earth turns on a tilted axis - just doing the best it can.
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Hohenheim of Light~Full Metal Alchemist
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dead-cell
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posted on 1/8/2004 at 12:03 AM |
Consensual reality conveniently explains the baby falling. Sense babies are
watched most of the time. In which case we're all guilty for those lil bump
and bruises. However the tree in the middle of nowhere is in a
"Heisenberg's cat" scenario. The tree has a 50/ 50 shot of falling, or
standing depending on your perception of gravity/reality. So the tree exist
in two realities one where it has fallen, the other the tree still stands;
while remaining in a state of limbo in this reality... Sense no one is
there to observe the nowhere tree will remain in limbo. Unless there really
is gravity.
[Edited on 8/1/2004 by dead-cell] ____________________
co-worker: "Your gay!?"
myself: "Didn't you see my rainbow pin?"
co-worker: "I just thought you liked skettles."
-(yes, it actually happened to me)
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feralucce
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posted on 1/8/2004 at 02:01 AM |
| consensual reality does not require observation, simply faith of the
masses... ____________________
The earth turns on a tilted axis - just doing the best it can.
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Hohenheim of Light~Full Metal Alchemist
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dead-cell
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posted on 1/8/2004 at 12:11 PM |
| And there is the snag, Feral. One mass believes the tree will fall, the
other mass believes the tree will stand. Consensual reality is an
explanatory convenience like God. Take for example the voyage of
Christopher Columbus. The masses believed the world was flat, and that
Columbus would fall off the face of the Earth. Columbus thought he would
find a faster trade route to India. Instead he discovered the new world.
How does consensual reality explain that? ____________________
co-worker: "Your gay!?"
myself: "Didn't you see my rainbow pin?"
co-worker: "I just thought you liked skettles."
-(yes, it actually happened to me)
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feralucce
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 1810 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 1/8/2004 at 02:30 PM |
| dead cell...very true.. BUT let me ask you this... just because humanity
believed that... does that mean the majority population of the universe
did? or the planet? only huuman arrogance would suggest that only our
beliefs and perseptions mattered in defining the universe around us ____________________
The earth turns on a tilted axis - just doing the best it can.
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Hohenheim of Light~Full Metal Alchemist
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Xaoswolf
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posted on 1/8/2004 at 02:40 PM |
| Or perhaps Mr. Colombus's willpower was just stronger than most of the
world, allowing him to make the world round, but since he was fighting
against all those flat earthers, he wasn't able to sail to india, and
instead, he wound up in a new continent. ____________________
Sometimes I dream about dinosaurs shopping for cargo shorts at the Gap.
Does that make me a bad person?
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Starlight
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posted on 2/8/2004 at 12:29 AM |
| Fresh red barn paint appears to have a selective gravitational pull
exclusive to house flies. ____________________
"When choosing between two evils, I always like to try the one I've never
tried before." ~Mae West
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Moinlen_Drigenu
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posted on 2/8/2004 at 01:53 AM |
 I hate
joining debates in the middle, but anyway.
Gravity exsists because some smart arse decided that it does, it is an
invisible force that acts on things in funny and unfamiliar ways. We
pretend to know how it is made and how it works, but we really dont have
any idea. Wtf is a black hole if gravity does not pull? Wtf is dark
matter, dark energy and all that other shit that everyones favourite
scientists have made up. It is just something to confuse us further until
someone says they know what they are talking about and then they "develope
another theory". Dont get me wrong, I am fasinated about space and the
beyond, but scientists make it to confusing.
Mind you most of the physics equations do work within their right, but when
things start get complicated so do the equations, stupid things..
[/end rant] ____________________
"It is said that we loose ourselves in rage, I think I find what is
missing, when it happens."
"These scars are just for show, it's the ones inside that you have to worry
about."
"When I get into a fight, all I think is..."KILL HIM"..."
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Schizo
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posted on 2/8/2004 at 02:07 AM |
| Yeah, whenever I find something to be confusing, I always consider it
bullshit. ____________________
"You can tell by the scars on my arms and the cracks in my hips and the
dents in my car and the blisters on my lips that I'm not the carefullest of
girls." - Dresden Dolls, "Girl Anachronism"
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Moinlen_Drigenu
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posted on 2/8/2004 at 03:10 AM |
| Amen to that dude...always gets you out of trouble. ____________________
"It is said that we loose ourselves in rage, I think I find what is
missing, when it happens."
"These scars are just for show, it's the ones inside that you have to
worry
about."
"When I get into a fight, all I think is..."KILL HIM"..."
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