Moinlen_Drigenu
Member   Posts: 71 Registered: 18/6/2004 Status: Offline
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posted on 18/6/2004 at 01:10 AM |
quote:
I forget how Freud worded
it, but it's quoted somewhere on this site. Any group of people, no matter
how enlightened, will turn on itself without a common enemy. Every group of
people that thinks of itself as "Us" has to have a "Them". If the Them
becomes too vague or disappears, all of the group's agression will be taken
out on the Us.
For starters I will say G'day.
and now...I think is it built into human nature to hate someone or
something. May it be in someone other group or in their own group.
Jealousy pops up at a stage like this. No matter everyone thinks, they
will always have people they hate more then others. I think this is an
everyday situation. Us and Them can also be seen as Me and You. ____________________
"It is said that we loose ourselves in rage, I think I find what is
missing, when it happens."
"These scars are just for show, it's the ones inside that you have to worry
about."
"When I get into a fight, all I think is..."KILL HIM"..."
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Schizo
Extreme Fanatic   Posts: 897 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 19/6/2004 at 01:35 AM |
Squire, I've never been sure how to classify you, except maybe as someone
trembling on the precipice between "usness" and "themness". Sometimes you
lean one way, sometimes the other.
You definitely have potential, but you keep screwing yourself over. It
seems to me that it may be lack of confidence, but that's just a guess.
I'm still not sure which way you will end up falling. I think your heart
is in the right place. But just having the heart to be a Shmengling
doesn't necessarily make you one.
I think the fact that people can tell you they dislike you, or don't
consider you part of "us", without turning to troll-bashing, shows that all
is not lost. This could just be your trial by fire, if you respond
correctly and show those nebulous qualities that somehow qualify someone as
possessing the correct brand of lunacy to fit in here.
If it's in you, and you want to, you will make it. We WANT to find usses.
We are constantly on the lookout for us-like qualities. Sure, we love
roasting a troll or a 14.5 idiot, but we really don't like rejecting people
who almost make it, but not quite. We don't exclude for the sake of being
exclusive. Hang in there. ____________________
"You can tell by the scars on my arms and the cracks in my hips and the
dents in my car and the blisters on my lips that I'm not the carefullest of
girls." - Dresden Dolls, "Girl Anachronism"
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Schizo
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 897 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 19/6/2004 at 07:40 AM |
I would like to modify my original comment. I thought about it a little
more, and I realized that, no matter how well you think things through, and
how able and flexible your mind is, it matters very little if you don't
possess vibe.
Of course, we could sit all day long and try to define "vibe" and never pin
it down, but suffice it to say, it's what Devin has, and what he looks for
in other people. If Devin likes you, you probably have some degree of
vibe.
And if you have vibe, then you can get away with a certain amount of
irrationality. Not too much, of course, but allowances are made for the
sake of the vibe.
But you can be smart all the live-long day, and if you don't have the right
vibe, you may as well be taking through your ass, because you just aren't
getting it.
Maybe that's the problem with Shmeng nowadays. Maybe we're collecting
people who look right, they sound right, they taste and smell right, but
the vibe is missing. We start to realize, there is a Them among us, and
maybe we aren't sure who, so we start turning on each other, looking for
the Vibeless One. And start mistaking personal differences for lack of
vibe.
And for those of you who are unfortunately vibeless, don't worry. Vibe can
grow with age and experience. Although if you are deliberatly vibeless, or
perhaps even full of anti-vibe, then I'm afraid it's hopeless. You are a
permanent Them. ____________________
"You can tell by the scars on my arms and the cracks in my hips and the
dents in my car and the blisters on my lips that I'm not the carefullest
of
girls." - Dresden Dolls, "Girl Anachronism"
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Anonymous
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posted on 19/6/2004 at 08:22 AM |
Can i just repeat again for the record I love you Schiz. you have a killer
brain and i can feel you not wanting to say what had to be said. And thanks
for being the one that said it. I think we all owe you for making it nice
and clear. *smoooch*
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callei
Extreme Fanatic  Posts: 759 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 19/6/2004 at 08:25 AM |
| that was me. no really it was! I just failed to log in before blurting out
praise. *sigh* ____________________
Real goths wear silver and crosses to keep the werewolves and vampires
away.
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feralucce
Extreme Fanatic  Posts: 1810 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 19/6/2004 at 01:48 PM |
| it's better shiz than me... I wanna say"shut up or growup" ____________________
The earth turns on a tilted axis - just doing the best it can.
Hohenheim of Light~Full Metal Alchemist
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Squire-of-Gothos
Fanatic   Posts: 206 Registered: 1/1/2003 Status: Offline
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posted on 19/6/2004 at 10:16 PM |
I can dig the vibe concept. A how you say, shmeng jo no say que.
Misspelling of course, tottaly on the vibe. I will say this, I am extremely
aprehensive around all of you. Once I started to actually get noticed by
people, and some of you actually began listening to some of the stuff I was
saying, I suddenly felt very, very shy and naked. When I first came here, I
was just a punk in middle school, with no friends, mainly because I was put
off by how.....how should I put it.....completely and utterly stupid a lot
of them were. So naturally when I stumbled on a bunch of interesting and
smart people, on the internet no less-gasp!- I was very excited. Now, I'm
just a punk in college, but I still feel very humbled around the majority
of the "us" here, and I find it hard to get comfortable, speak my mind all
the time, and really relax and be myself.
I'm under no false pretenses, and I don't expect people to acept the fact
that I'm a tad shy still, and welcome me (though I honestly doubt any of
you are gullible enough for somethign like that). Just thought I'd finally
get that. Do with it what you will.
~Squire ____________________
“The only thing that can alter the good writer is death.”
“You know that if I were reincarnated, I’d want to come back a buzzard.
Nothing hates him. He is never bothered or in danger, and he can eat
anything.”
Faulkner
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feralucce
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 1810 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 19/6/2004 at 10:42 PM |
| for once, I believe you truly stand naked before us... and I mst say... it
is more pleasant than I had anticipated... ____________________
The earth turns on a tilted axis - just doing the best it can.
Hohenheim of Light~Full Metal Alchemist
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Anonymous
Posts: 116 Registered: 14/4/2002 Status: Offline
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posted on 20/6/2004 at 10:36 PM |
I hope that you think of this as a member wanting shmeng to reclaim it's
ideals and not some newby whining about acceptance.
I think what this forum was supposed to be about (and correct me if I'm
wrong) is what's making shmeng almost unbearable for those who created it.
Not just the teen angst that we all seem to have Zero patience for, but
also the pretentious attitudes around here. It seems as though new people
come in and get the wrong idea about this place. Newbies can't become "us"
if we keep turning them away and acting like snobs. I've talked to many of
the people here (members older than I) and from what I understand this site
was an attempt to have everyone on equal ground. It's supposed to be a
place where you can have an opinion that differs from everyone else's. Here
you're encouraged to speak your mind and share your opposing opinions (and
back them up of course). This place isn't about excluding people, it's
about bringing them together and I know that no one should get immediate
acceptance, but no one should automatically be written off as a twit or a
troll (at least not without concrete evidence)
I think this here is here for some of us newbies, not so newbies, and older
members to look within ourselves and see that maybe our own attitudes are
the problem; in order for shmeng to continue it's ideal existence.
shut up and pay attention...(right?)
In order to keep from being too pretentious, I'm going to be anonymous for
right now.
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feralucce
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 1810 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 20/6/2004 at 10:44 PM |
perhaps if you have ever paid attention... everyone is honestly on even
ground... EVERYONE gets the same treatment and the same chances to prove
themselves... when they survive the trial by fire... they are accepted...
as the people here trreat the real world they treat the digital... and I
will agrgee that the forum has gotten off subject... a discussion, when it
is constantly brought back to one point is nothing more than a pool of
stagnant water... it must evolve... or it is pointless... ALSO... it is not
the newbs... but the brainless ones that are railed against... if one
cannot hold one's own, one is disqualified.
also... to avoid pretention, it is customary to not point out that you are
avoiding it... as Mieke WArnke said - "I got an award for being humble...
it was really a button. They took it away cause I wore it."
Now... Who is the them... The wal-martians... those that set the status
quo... the old men who rule the world and own all the wealth, smoking
havannah cigars rolled on a virgin's thigh while we have to struggle to eat
ramen noodles... ____________________
The earth turns on a tilted axis - just doing the best it can.
Hohenheim of Light~Full Metal Alchemist
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Devin
Administrator  Posts: 317 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Online
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posted on 21/6/2004 at 09:21 AM |
I agree that everyone does start off on equal ground. It doesn't take much
time for someone to show whether they are going to be a twit or not. New
members who don't show instant twittyness are accepted right away.
Rejection of Twits is not pretention, it's self preservation.
Did anyone notice when EyeCandyRayce showed up? Or daria_4? It seems to me
that they were just instantly accepted. They showed themselves to not be
twits, they didn't make a big scene or drama or cry for attention - they
just showed up and jumped right in, assuming that they would be accepted
and they were. Now it seems like they've been around forever, but it
really hasn't been that long for either of them. They started on the same
equal ground as the people who get repeatedly twitted.
There are too many people on the net to accept everybody. This site is for
people who are um... shall we just say "above average"? People who get it
can recognize other people who get it right away - that's just part of what
the "it" is. They also recognize people with the potential to get it.
Nothing productive comes from trying to make people who don't get it
understand - they never will - so out of self preservation, we try to
conserve our energy for the people who do. I won't deny that all of that
absolutely resembles pretention, but it's a kind of pretension that I can
live with. ____________________
So Sayeth Me
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feralucce
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 1810 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 21/6/2004 at 10:38 AM |
if a desire to connect in a meaningful way (which requires INtellect, a
certain saavy, and spiritual awareness) is pretentious... then I guess I
am..
BTW... I noticed when daria_4 and rayce showed up... but I am kinna like
that most of the time ____________________
The earth turns on a tilted axis - just doing the best it can.
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Hohenheim of Light~Full Metal Alchemist
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BlueLinn
Fanatic  Posts: 246 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 15/7/2004 at 03:39 PM |
the creepy guy, who can't take no for an answer, who just doesn't get that
you already have someone and keeps hounding. The fellow in a larp who just
won't leave you alone, who is at your heels for the entire 4 day long
convention. that perverse person who thinks that the game is life and their
character will seduce your true life persona and then, when you finally get
sick of it and say.. HEY DUDE!,,, This is out of character man, just be
calm and stop panting, pick your jaw off the concrete. I don't want
anything to do with you in or out of character now, you creep!... They
still think that they are a "vampire" and can make you change your
mind...
AHHHHH... I swear to fucking whatever the fuck. I am incredibly sick of
being hounded at cons when all I want is to have a stress free weekend to
sell art, kick back play a couple of games and have fun! ____________________
When the world is over, will we wonder how it began?
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BlueLinn
Fanatic Posts: 246 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 15/7/2004 at 03:43 PM |
le sigh, now that the first part is over, yes, yes,
face it, everyone has their momment of twit, it is not secluded to
newcommers on this site. I am absoloutely certain that everyone has gone to
a new place and done something silly, everyone has said something around a
group of friends that probably shouldn't be said and everyone has done
SOMETHING they kind of wish they hadn't ... we are not gods, we are merely
people chatting about random topics for the hell of it...
...... off to my summer math class.....
[Edited on 7/16/2004 by BlueLinn] ____________________
When the world is over, will we wonder how it began?
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feralucce
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 1810 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 16/7/2004 at 03:46 AM |
| Blue: you started in the middle of a sentencec... WHAT??? ____________________
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BlueLinn
Fanatic Posts: 246 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 16/7/2004 at 08:40 AM |
| it's just hormones, don't mind me this week. ____________________
When the world is over, will we wonder how it began?
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feralucce
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 1810 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 16/7/2004 at 08:57 AM |
| hormones make all your posts incomprehensible??? ____________________
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BlueLinn
Fanatic Posts: 246 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 17/7/2004 at 10:42 AM |
:sigh: As for the starting in the middle of a sentence, I did not truly
want to reiterate the aforementioned posts, therefore, I started at what
seemed to be the middle of a sentence, but the beginning of a new Idea, by
doing this the post went from wistful and absentminded to a bit upset and
more or less, the post was a reflection upon previous events and that is
how the sentence structure, dramatics, and entire orientation of the post
was meant to be...
so there@!
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Shade
Fanatic  Posts: 289 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 18/7/2004 at 09:04 AM |
Us : Those of us what can stay the fuck on topic, and Blue Linn,
your "seeing third-eye psychic Martian dog" impersonations do not get you a
ticket onto this bus. Seriously folks. Think long and hard about the
complaints that have been made and include the confused 'is that what I
really meant?' moments we have all witnessed from the happy accepted
regulars. Initially the forums were considered to be a fuck-for-all who
gave a shit place by everyone where the topics flew wild and free and the
running joke was that the longest any forum had stayed on topic was the
time someone posted a forum and then the power went out at Devin's house
for a week. But in reality, there were, at that point, more people who were
wiling to read the opening post of a topic and see what the forum was all
about.
The Karma free zone is full of crap these days, the Tough Love forum,
despite an offshoot discussion thread "Bitch here..." is full of people
with no clue wanting to talk about not only the tough love they did (or in
some real trauma cases DIDN'T) get, but also the weather, their weekend,
and whatever else seems to come up. I completely missed this forum in it's
infancy because of what was at the time an unsettled feeling in the pit of
my stomach. I couldn't stomach the forums anymore. I had no idea why not, I
just couldn't face them. And them I realized what it was. You fuckers can't
hold a conversation!
That's right, it's not the spelling issues (Put your fucking hand down
Squiddo), it's not the grammar issues (I'll deal with you later Linn and
company) it's not even the rampant insinuation of silliness (We love you
Betty) it's the fucked up moments when there is an actual conversation
going on, a discussion is happening, a forum exists; and at some brain
tilting moment, Feral will say something relevant and from that statement
some little fuck me up the ass child will say something like: "I'd say my
piece as well, but it would just be repeating what others have said so now
I'd like to step up to the mic and show my tits or otherwise do something
to be distracting and attention seeking! (That right, that's you who did
that most recently GothicMormon, go fuck yourself with a microphone)
So, after that rather invective filled and metaphor padded paragraph, what
precisely is my point? My point is this. It wasn't cute when Abbadon was
doing it and it's not cute when people, new or old, do it now. If there is
no topic of discussion, there is no discussion. If there is no discussion,
there is no communication. If there is no communication, there is no
community. If there is no community, there is no Us at all. Without an Us,
we are all them except to ourselves, and under those circumstances...well
it gets icky at this point and I'm sure you can all figure it out for
yourselves. I think a lot of us already have.
Them? Fuck them ____________________
It is only through the lack of sex that humanity derives the need for an
all encompassing blind love. And in that moment of extreme horniness with
no relief in sight, in that moment can be found the birth of religion.
-Me
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Schizo
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 897 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 18/7/2004 at 06:00 PM |
You know, I just thought of something. Back in the day, the forums were
set up like the article comments. It made it possible to respond to a
particular comment, instead of to the forum in its entirety. It made it
easier to follow a conversation, even while a completely separate, horribly
off-topic, but tremedously interesting conversation proceeded on an
alternate branch. With today's setup, you have to refer to whatever post
you are replying to, either by the author's name, or a quote, or something
else, and any off-topic posts interrupt the flow and make it difficult to
keep it going.
I am completely ignorant of the work it would take to switch back. I'm not
even sure that it would fix the problem, although I kind of think it would.
It's just an idea, and something for the powers that be to think about. ____________________
"You can tell by the scars on my arms and the cracks in my hips and
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dents in my car and the blisters on my lips that I'm not the carefullest
of
girls." - Dresden Dolls, "Girl Anachronism"
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