Well, apparently the AFA (American Family Association) has taken it upon
itself to conduct a survey of how the country feels about gay marriage.
Their current plan is to present the finding so Congress to show how
horribly opposed everyone is to Gay Marriage. But, heh, anyone can take the
poll. So now is the time and a great opportunity to stand up to the AFA and
say no to unneccesary shmeng slining, with the hope that they will be
paying to lobby congress to legalize gay marriage.
As a note, this has got to be the single stupidest move by a hate-mongering
group ever, to make an open to all forum and commit itself to acting upon
the results. Got to love it.
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callei
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posted on 6/2/2004 at 04:03 PM
I think a big part of the gay marriage "issue" is based around how the laws
treat married ( people that have entered into a legal contract to share
goods and moneys and have registered that contract with a third party)
people differently. They are taxed diferently, treated differntly by
medical laws, by criminal laws, and by financial laws, and are provided few
social services (cheap divorce being one of them).
Since gov.t treats married people differently, those laws have to be
addressed by the people that feel that they are not given the same status.
Since that same govt claimed to work from a document that says "all men are
equal and have rights" then we have to do what we can to make all people
equal. as one group gets more power/status than another for an arbitary
reason, that must be rectified if we dont want to be liars.
also its WAYeasy and cheaper to jsut let LGBT coupes get married than
remove all the laws that treat married people as a special case. getting
the govt out of the bedroom is much more complicated than inviting them in
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Starlight
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posted on 6/2/2004 at 12:16 AM
Some of the reasons that gay marriages are attractive to gay couples, is
that they can then become eligible for health insurance on each other's
company plans, receive life insurance benefits and pensions if one of the
partner's dies, and be allowed full rights in the eyes of the law to be
treated in all situations as the other person's spouse. These are things
that are taken for granted by a heterosexual couple, but for a gay couple,
these things would only be guaranteed if their union was made legal. For
some, yes, there is the need to simply feel as a legitimate legal couple,
and nothing more to it than that, because they are self-supporting
financially. However, for those who are dependant on the other person
financially, there are so many other aspects to the situation.
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fidesquaerens
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posted on 5/2/2004 at 05:52 PM
None taken. It was not meant to negate their status as people, we are just
people. It wasn't meant to be condescending, just to bring up a new point.
It is not and should not be necessary to depend on the term marriage to
define a happy, life-long monogomous relationship. That's about it.
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ok.. no offense, but that is an ignorant way to look at it... Implying that
it is a straight person norm, is negating their status as people... They
want a way to express thei devotion. They want to be accepted and treated
just like everyone else... that is why... becuase marriage means the same
no matter who you fuck...
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fidesquaerens
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posted on 5/2/2004 at 01:04 AM
I agree that the government should stay the hell out of marriage as a
whole, but its inevitable for now. Did anyone stop to consider why gay
people feel the need for marriage anyways? If you think about it, marriage
is a heterosexual norm. The average straight person grows up, goes to
school, gets married, has some kids, retires and dies. It irks me as to why
any homosexual would even want to try to fit into a norm like that. I mean
obviously homosexuals are fundementally different than the rest of society,
why would they want to be just like everyone else? Maybe it is just me, but
if I were a homosexual I would appreciate the fact that my fate had not
already been decided for me by the hetersoxual norm. So they feel the need
for officiality... call it a legal union. Maybe I am alone on this one, but
"marriage" isn't the be-all and end-all.
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arioch
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posted on 4/2/2004 at 09:23 PM
quote: I mean, it's an oath
between two damn people...or what have you. Oaths are matters of honor best
left to those who make them.
Agreed.
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posted on 4/2/2004 at 10:23 AM
Jeebus...it's going to get worse, mark my damn words...
I never thought it made sense for the Government and state and whatnot to
get involved with the whole marriage thing.
I mean, it's an oath between two damn people...or what have you. Oaths are
matters of honor best left to those who make them.
Meddlers should be spitted, basted and burned in hells of their own
devising.
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Anonymous
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posted on 4/2/2004 at 09:56 AM
not only them, go to ghf.org i believe, it's a baptist organization that
thinks god hates fags..(hence the name) THAT is a surprising site
BlueLinn
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posted on 13/1/2004 at 08:20 AM
snicker: coward,
It is true, you get a lot of bonuses and discounts from the government
for having a "legal" marrige. However, most marriges are conducted in
churches or by pastors or by justices of the peace. No matter in what
direction you look at it. Religion, has warped through the justice system
and infested every area. Religion is against gay marriges, However, What
about in the ancient days of greece beneath the "heathen" gods where men
were encouraged to have relationships with "older" and more "experienced"
gentlemen? Interesting, is it not. That when there were "heathen" gods
there was far more that was acceptable and now, what was once perfectly
natural and there was nothing to look down upon is now ostrisized and
critisized all to fucking hell?
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Xaoswolf
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posted on 7/1/2004 at 07:22 PM
oh no, did scary mr. anonymous tell me to shut up...
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Anonymous
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posted on 5/1/2004 at 04:51 PM
Shut up Xasowolf.
Xaoswolf
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posted on 3/1/2004 at 11:27 AM
I'm using the Chicago method: Vote early and often.
As I said, nobody will be using this poll. They have already thrown out
several votes that all came from the same IP address on multiple occasions.
(after someone actually came forward and said that three thousand votes
were him....)
Besides, the government shouldn't recognize gay marriage. They also
shouldn't recognize straight marriages either, but that's a whole different
bag of fish...
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callei
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posted on 2/1/2004 at 06:12 PM
Thank you for that. I spit tea at my monitor while laughing. I guess it
just caught me off gaurd. Best part of my day so far.
Even the dead get a vote...
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posted on 2/1/2004 at 04:40 AM
I'm using the Chicago method: Vote early and often.
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I think I'll go vote just so they CAN have my name and address, I'd LOVE to
see what they do with it. I'll be the test dummy and report back.
It IS rather funny what people do with your info when you vote/sign
up/order anything. I ordered a futon set from "the sportsman guide"
catalog and started getting membership offers from the NRA.
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dead-cell
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posted on 1/1/2004 at 03:27 PM
I was thinking the same things when I voted. So, one I gave them an e-mail
address that will expire in a few days. Two, I gave a close, but disstanted
zip code. Three, long ago I set up an e-mail address with a dummy name, and
in simular wary situations will use the dummy name.
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posted on 1/1/2004 at 01:08 PM
Listen, I'd be very careful giving the American Family Association your
first and last name, and your zip code. They are not a friendly bunch of
people, and they have a fixed set of views on homosexuality. They will
forever oppose homosexuality and homosexual marrriage. This poll won't
change their minds, and no other organization will pay attention to it
regardless of what the results are. They are only concerned with the poll
if it goes their way, but it's not. So what are they going to do with your
name and e-mail when the poll is finished? Put you on some kind of list?
There are a very creepy, vicious group of people that look respectable only
because they now have a professional looking web site. Becareful what you
tell the AFA.
What a useless waste of resources. Who the hell CARES what everyone else
thinks of gay marriage?! It's not UP to the goddamned masses to decide the
fate of others, it's up to those INVOLVED that should have the final say
so. It's nobody's business than their own.
You know, in one of my highschool history classes we all had to come up
with a new "consitution" and laws as a week long assignment. At the end,
my teacher got up and said "you know what makes me so sad about this whole
thing? How many of you made your first laws as outlawing homosexuality"
and then spent the whole class period shaming them into the ground. I then
had an english class where your quarter projects was writing an essay, pro
or anti, on a popular social issue, and we were required to read it in
front of class while others made comments on anonymous response sheets to
be given to the person to read when the whole class had done their
presentations.
FIVE PEOPLE out of a class of 20 did straight on "why gay marriage should
be illegal" or "why gay adoption whould be illegal" or "why homosexuality
should be illegal". One bright and shining star of a girl started her
essay with "god made adam and eve not adam and steve". My anonymous
response was "way to hump the bible ticket you ignorant bitch. Grow the
fuck up."
My whole point of this is that in life you have protagonists and
antagonists, and life needs them or there is no friction and no growth, and
part of me believes that if someone hadn't put up such blatant opposition
for so long none of us might be aware of the injustices of the gay
community. We, as a country, have developed a sort of "legal tolerance"
but not acceptance. Gays can work where they want, be represented by an
attourney, live together (tho should your landlord be extremely religious
they can claim freedom of religion and now allow unmarried couples to live
together, so they take care of living in sin and homosexuals in one blow)
and such, they're denied the most basic of rights, which is pick your love
and make it legal. This also affects healthcare. Say one person in said
relationship doesn't work? Most good companies have "dependents" clauses
that state that your significant other that lives with you (married or not)
is elligible for healthcare on your plan. Some don't, and there's no legal
way to make them do that.
I just dont' see why it IS such a big deal, it's a basic human right to
happiness, which our own fucking constitution proclaims is THE ultimate
right. Happiness and the persuit of freedom.
[Edited on 1/1/2004 by bettie_x]
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