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Author: Subject: AFA Marriage Poll

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  posted on 30/12/2003 at 10:37 PM
Well, apparently the AFA (American Family Association) has taken it upon itself to conduct a survey of how the country feels about gay marriage. Their current plan is to present the finding so Congress to show how horribly opposed everyone is to Gay Marriage. But, heh, anyone can take the poll. So now is the time and a great opportunity to stand up to the AFA and say no to unneccesary shmeng slining, with the hope that they will be paying to lobby congress to legalize gay marriage.

Have at it.

http://www.afa.net/petitions/MarriagePoll.asp

As a note, this has got to be the single stupidest move by a hate-mongering group ever, to make an open to all forum and commit itself to acting upon the results. Got to love it.

 

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  posted on 6/2/2004 at 04:03 PM
I think a big part of the gay marriage "issue" is based around how the laws treat married ( people that have entered into a legal contract to share goods and moneys and have registered that contract with a third party) people differently. They are taxed diferently, treated differntly by medical laws, by criminal laws, and by financial laws, and are provided few social services (cheap divorce being one of them).

Since gov.t treats married people differently, those laws have to be addressed by the people that feel that they are not given the same status. Since that same govt claimed to work from a document that says "all men are equal and have rights" then we have to do what we can to make all people equal. as one group gets more power/status than another for an arbitary reason, that must be rectified if we dont want to be liars.

also its WAYeasy and cheaper to jsut let LGBT coupes get married than remove all the laws that treat married people as a special case. getting the govt out of the bedroom is much more complicated than inviting them in

 

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  posted on 6/2/2004 at 12:27 AM
while that's true... Sometimes, a term... is important...

Feral

 

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  posted on 6/2/2004 at 12:16 AM
Some of the reasons that gay marriages are attractive to gay couples, is that they can then become eligible for health insurance on each other's company plans, receive life insurance benefits and pensions if one of the partner's dies, and be allowed full rights in the eyes of the law to be treated in all situations as the other person's spouse. These are things that are taken for granted by a heterosexual couple, but for a gay couple, these things would only be guaranteed if their union was made legal. For some, yes, there is the need to simply feel as a legitimate legal couple, and nothing more to it than that, because they are self-supporting financially. However, for those who are dependant on the other person financially, there are so many other aspects to the situation.

 

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  posted on 5/2/2004 at 05:52 PM
None taken. It was not meant to negate their status as people, we are just people. It wasn't meant to be condescending, just to bring up a new point. It is not and should not be necessary to depend on the term marriage to define a happy, life-long monogomous relationship. That's about it.

 

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  posted on 5/2/2004 at 10:26 AM
ok.. no offense, but that is an ignorant way to look at it... Implying that it is a straight person norm, is negating their status as people... They want a way to express thei devotion. They want to be accepted and treated just like everyone else... that is why... becuase marriage means the same no matter who you fuck...

Feral

 

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  posted on 5/2/2004 at 01:04 AM
I agree that the government should stay the hell out of marriage as a whole, but its inevitable for now. Did anyone stop to consider why gay people feel the need for marriage anyways? If you think about it, marriage is a heterosexual norm. The average straight person grows up, goes to school, gets married, has some kids, retires and dies. It irks me as to why any homosexual would even want to try to fit into a norm like that. I mean obviously homosexuals are fundementally different than the rest of society, why would they want to be just like everyone else? Maybe it is just me, but if I were a homosexual I would appreciate the fact that my fate had not already been decided for me by the hetersoxual norm. So they feel the need for officiality... call it a legal union. Maybe I am alone on this one, but "marriage" isn't the be-all and end-all.

 

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Does anybody feel this way? Does anybody feel like I do? Though half of me
is gone, the lonesome part is there. I cannot find the other half.

 

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  posted on 4/2/2004 at 09:23 PM
quote:
I mean, it's an oath between two damn people...or what have you. Oaths are matters of honor best left to those who make them.


Agreed.

 

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  posted on 4/2/2004 at 10:23 AM
Jeebus...it's going to get worse, mark my damn words...

I never thought it made sense for the Government and state and whatnot to get involved with the whole marriage thing.

I mean, it's an oath between two damn people...or what have you. Oaths are matters of honor best left to those who make them.

Meddlers should be spitted, basted and burned in hells of their own devising.

 

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  posted on 4/2/2004 at 09:56 AM
not only them, go to ghf.org i believe, it's a baptist organization that thinks god hates fags..(hence the name) THAT is a surprising site
 

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  posted on 13/1/2004 at 08:20 AM
snicker: coward,
It is true, you get a lot of bonuses and discounts from the government for having a "legal" marrige. However, most marriges are conducted in churches or by pastors or by justices of the peace. No matter in what direction you look at it. Religion, has warped through the justice system and infested every area. Religion is against gay marriges, However, What about in the ancient days of greece beneath the "heathen" gods where men were encouraged to have relationships with "older" and more "experienced" gentlemen? Interesting, is it not. That when there were "heathen" gods there was far more that was acceptable and now, what was once perfectly natural and there was nothing to look down upon is now ostrisized and critisized all to fucking hell?

 

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  posted on 7/1/2004 at 07:22 PM
oh no, did scary mr. anonymous tell me to shut up...

 

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  posted on 5/1/2004 at 04:51 PM
Shut up Xasowolf.
 

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  posted on 3/1/2004 at 11:27 AM
I'm using the Chicago method: Vote early and often.

As I said, nobody will be using this poll. They have already thrown out several votes that all came from the same IP address on multiple occasions. (after someone actually came forward and said that three thousand votes were him....)

Besides, the government shouldn't recognize gay marriage. They also shouldn't recognize straight marriages either, but that's a whole different bag of fish...

 

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  posted on 2/1/2004 at 06:12 PM
Thank you for that. I spit tea at my monitor while laughing. I guess it just caught me off gaurd. Best part of my day so far.
Even the dead get a vote...

 

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  posted on 2/1/2004 at 04:40 AM
I'm using the Chicago method: Vote early and often.

 

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  posted on 1/1/2004 at 10:48 PM
I think I'll go vote just so they CAN have my name and address, I'd LOVE to see what they do with it. I'll be the test dummy and report back.

It IS rather funny what people do with your info when you vote/sign up/order anything. I ordered a futon set from "the sportsman guide" catalog and started getting membership offers from the NRA.

 

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  posted on 1/1/2004 at 03:27 PM
I was thinking the same things when I voted. So, one I gave them an e-mail address that will expire in a few days. Two, I gave a close, but disstanted zip code. Three, long ago I set up an e-mail address with a dummy name, and in simular wary situations will use the dummy name.

 

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  posted on 1/1/2004 at 01:08 PM
Listen, I'd be very careful giving the American Family Association your first and last name, and your zip code. They are not a friendly bunch of people, and they have a fixed set of views on homosexuality. They will forever oppose homosexuality and homosexual marrriage. This poll won't change their minds, and no other organization will pay attention to it regardless of what the results are. They are only concerned with the poll if it goes their way, but it's not. So what are they going to do with your name and e-mail when the poll is finished? Put you on some kind of list? There are a very creepy, vicious group of people that look respectable only because they now have a professional looking web site. Becareful what you tell the AFA.

 

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  posted on 1/1/2004 at 12:58 PM
What a useless waste of resources. Who the hell CARES what everyone else thinks of gay marriage?! It's not UP to the goddamned masses to decide the fate of others, it's up to those INVOLVED that should have the final say so. It's nobody's business than their own.

You know, in one of my highschool history classes we all had to come up with a new "consitution" and laws as a week long assignment. At the end, my teacher got up and said "you know what makes me so sad about this whole thing? How many of you made your first laws as outlawing homosexuality" and then spent the whole class period shaming them into the ground. I then had an english class where your quarter projects was writing an essay, pro or anti, on a popular social issue, and we were required to read it in front of class while others made comments on anonymous response sheets to be given to the person to read when the whole class had done their presentations.
FIVE PEOPLE out of a class of 20 did straight on "why gay marriage should be illegal" or "why gay adoption whould be illegal" or "why homosexuality should be illegal". One bright and shining star of a girl started her essay with "god made adam and eve not adam and steve". My anonymous response was "way to hump the bible ticket you ignorant bitch. Grow the fuck up."

My whole point of this is that in life you have protagonists and antagonists, and life needs them or there is no friction and no growth, and part of me believes that if someone hadn't put up such blatant opposition for so long none of us might be aware of the injustices of the gay community. We, as a country, have developed a sort of "legal tolerance" but not acceptance. Gays can work where they want, be represented by an attourney, live together (tho should your landlord be extremely religious they can claim freedom of religion and now allow unmarried couples to live together, so they take care of living in sin and homosexuals in one blow) and such, they're denied the most basic of rights, which is pick your love and make it legal. This also affects healthcare. Say one person in said relationship doesn't work? Most good companies have "dependents" clauses that state that your significant other that lives with you (married or not) is elligible for healthcare on your plan. Some don't, and there's no legal way to make them do that.

I just dont' see why it IS such a big deal, it's a basic human right to happiness, which our own fucking constitution proclaims is THE ultimate right. Happiness and the persuit of freedom.

[Edited on 1/1/2004 by bettie_x]

 

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